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I've loved Lost for a long time but I never caught seasons 5 or 6 of the show. Recently I've been working my way through the show from beginning to end (right now I'm near the end of Season 2).
1) Season One, Episode 11 choked me up. I couldn't help but tear up when the doctor was trying to revive the rock star. The way Kate turned away from them, looking up at the sky and crying, I couldn't help but get absolutely choked up. So far this is my favourite moment in the series.
2) Other moments of the series that I've loved (and I'm sorry as at the moment certain episode names and numbers escape me):
a) Near the end of The Walkabout: "Don't tell me what I can't do!"
b) The doctor's father talking to Sawyer at the Australian bar, especially the culmination of the doctor's speech: "Because I am weak.", and more importantly
c) Sawyer revealing to Jack that said conversation took place, Jack tearing up, and
d) The season 2 opener (Mama Cass music was fantastic).
1) Season One, Episode 11 choked me up. I couldn't help but tear up when the doctor was trying to revive the rock star. The way Kate turned away from them, looking up at the sky and crying, I couldn't help but get absolutely choked up. So far this is my favourite moment in the series.
2) Other moments of the series that I've loved (and I'm sorry as at the moment certain episode names and numbers escape me):
a) Near the end of The Walkabout: "Don't tell me what I can't do!"
b) The doctor's father talking to Sawyer at the Australian bar, especially the culmination of the doctor's speech: "Because I am weak.", and more importantly
c) Sawyer revealing to Jack that said conversation took place, Jack tearing up, and
d) The season 2 opener (Mama Cass music was fantastic).
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Got the Lost Encyclopedia for Christmas here and was flipping through. Not all the way done, but for the most part, it doesn't really shed new light on much of anything. Just a nice on hand resource for any little thing you'd wanna know, as it was presented in the show. It's very well put together, even though i spotted a repeat paragraph in MiB's bio.
The neatest thing I found was also under MiB's bio, where they point out how, after dishonoring Locke's image everyway possible, MiB is the one who died from a fall, whereas John Locke was BAWSS ENUFF to survive a fall.
Never thought of it like that.
Other thing of note: Like I said back when it happened, Christian showing up at the hospital IS JACK HALLUCINATING. Ya'll can suck my dick.
As for the freighter appearance, they say it's a "vision of Christian" but, I will always interpret it as his ghost welcoming Michael to the island afterlife.
I'll post if I find anything else - they unfortunately don't go a long way towards explaining why the cabin was moving around when Hurley was looking for it, kind of half heartedly chalk it up to MiB being deceptive. Ah well.
The neatest thing I found was also under MiB's bio, where they point out how, after dishonoring Locke's image everyway possible, MiB is the one who died from a fall, whereas John Locke was BAWSS ENUFF to survive a fall.
Never thought of it like that.Other thing of note: Like I said back when it happened, Christian showing up at the hospital IS JACK HALLUCINATING. Ya'll can suck my dick.
As for the freighter appearance, they say it's a "vision of Christian" but, I will always interpret it as his ghost welcoming Michael to the island afterlife.
I'll post if I find anything else - they unfortunately don't go a long way towards explaining why the cabin was moving around when Hurley was looking for it, kind of half heartedly chalk it up to MiB being deceptive. Ah well.
Lion Heart
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Hey, let's be fair: he also got shot.SpeedingUptoStop said:The neatest thing I found was also under MiB's bio, where they point out how, after dishonoring Locke's image everyway possible, MiB is the one who died from a fall, whereas John Locke was BAWSS ENUFF to survive a fall.
Sure: When you can't justify shit, just pretend it was all a hallucination...
'Makes sense that Jack's father would be the one to show up for that, too...
It was hallucinating the smoke!Blader5489 said:
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
It's canon now, but c'mon, it's clearly a cop out, man.SpeedingUptoStop said:
"Hey, Jack! Charlie said someone's gonna be visiting you too. Soon." Guess this scene's pretty much pointless in hindsight (for a couple of reasons, actually. There goes that ominous Aaron bullshit again :lol) Oh well, got no choice but to roll with it.
It was simply a damn well told story from beginning to end. The stakes were high, and the pay off was huge. "I won't call for eight years" to "Ya answered, Penn!" That man was on a mission... OF LOVE! Their devotion to each other transcended time and space! How can that not mess you up? ;_;Willy105 said:
Something else to consider: the Desmond-Penny reunion was literally years in the making for a lot of viewers. We genuinely empathized with their mutual desperation to contact one another, every step of the way. Our patience was handsomely rewarded with a well executed development to that story arc.
Drealmcc0y
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Willy105 said:
Same.
i never get emotional when i watch it.
Catalix said:
Just come to your own conclusion.
Its easier just to think that dead christian did it.
The dead want them to go back to the island because if they dont, none of them can move on together.
Done: the writers were just throwing random nonsense at their audience.Drealmcc0y said:
So, er... one needs to die on the island to get a ticket to limbo? I mean, why would they need to go back, otherwise?
Also, yeah, I remember that time Penny showed up on the island...
And of course, they needed to all move on together, never mind all those minor characters who weren't in the church ("they weren't ready!")...
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
Ghost Christian is the more logical solution, but the almighty, very official encyclopedia plainly states otherwise. Hardly any wiggle room here.Drealmcc0y said:
Both the show and the encyclopedia are full of contradictions, inconsistencies and non-answers, so I think you actually have a lot of wiggle room, in a way...Catalix said:
So much wiggle room, in fact, that you'd be better off discussing another story, one not written by people who didn't give a fuck...
It has a very emotional ending is all. Given the story behind Penny and Des, its pretty obvious why people would consider it a very emotional experience.Willy105 said:
But I do agree that the entire episode wasnt all that emotional. Greatest hits was. It was literally an hour of emotion. I wouldnt agree with the End though.
BenjaminBirdie
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Erigu said:
:lol
Could you make a list?
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
holy shit. The ultimate LOST experience. Nice.oatmeal said:
hearing the smoke monster rampage through the jungle, making that "howling" noise for the first time, all on a large screen with full surround sound? Would give me crazy goosebumps.
Yeah, it's like a 90" screen, 1080p projector (not one of those Opteka ones either), 5.2 surround (Cambridge Audio 650R powering them), 10 reclining 'movie theater seats'...it was awesome.
I have the Blu Ray set as well, got it for Christmas, excited to play around with it some more.
I have the Blu Ray set as well, got it for Christmas, excited to play around with it some more.
BenjaminBirdie
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Erigu said:
:lol
Uh, no. A list of Erigu Recommended Entertainments: A Beacon Of Consistency And Caring.
You could use that subtitle or make your own if you'd like.
Wow. It sounds like you think stories more consistent and carefully crafted than Lost are such rare exceptions that I could come up with a handy list... That's quite the misconception (and it kinda makes me wonder what kind of fiction you've been indulging into so far).BenjaminBirdie said:
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Erigu said:
You are my favorite person on the internet today.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Never seen someone so relentless in their efforts to have absolutely no intended effect on the people they're talking at.
BenjaminBirdie
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Erigu said:
:lol
This is exactly what I was looking for. I had it down for three sentences before you started with backhanded personal attacks but it only took you two. One, actually, if you count ellipses as a grammatical continuance instead of full stop punctuation.
For the record I also was just interested in what you perceived to be quality storytelling, but outing you as an Internet Bully is a fine result too.
dave is ok
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I like Erigu because unlike most people in this thread, he doesn't ignore all of Lost's flaws/problems for the sake of keeping on some sacred pedestal of television.
BenjaminBirdie
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dave is ok said:
He also picks on people unnecessarily (see: his response to me). I think dissenting opinions are fine. Caroming around the thread like a bully is not. Whether you agree with his sentiment or not, supporting such tactics to the extent of actually "lik[ing]" the guy doesn't make much sense to me, personally. But that's just me.
You'll find that throughout pretty much every LOST thread, I, the benevolent creator of pretty much every thread for the show, took great pains to make sure that the people who wanted any dissenting opinion whitewashed from every thread were exposed as enemies of reasonable discourse. And yet, Erigu still finds the need to come at me with personal attacks.
So, you know, keep pointing your support in weird directions, but I'll continue to think it's sort of a weird thing to do.
Sooo, I finished watching the whole show again a couple of days before christmas. Took me 3 weeks or so for the full show.
As I kinda expected before starting my second viewing, it was far, far less enjoyable this time around. And yeah, watching all seasons back to back like this, the whole story doesn't make any fucking sense in the end :lol
As I kinda expected before starting my second viewing, it was far, far less enjoyable this time around. And yeah, watching all seasons back to back like this, the whole story doesn't make any fucking sense in the end :lol
I said as much there. :loloatmeal said:
(there's not just that though)
Well, I kinda hope for you it was... Like I said, I'm not sure what kind of list you would have expected, otherwise.BenjaminBirdie said:
What, which was it, then? You were actually expecting a list?
... Okay...?
After your "Erigu Recommended Entertainments: A Beacon Of Consistency And Caring", I didn't think you'd be traumatized...
Sorry, man. Hug?
BenjaminBirdie
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Erigu said:
Yeah, I'm not traumatized. If I was even remotely effected by that sort of thing, I certainly wouldn't last long on the internet.
I just would rather have discussion about what you think is "good" where LOST is "bad" as opposed to being called out as someone who wouldn't know good storytelling if it kicked them in the shins.
The fact that you went the way you did says pretty much everything there is to say about your motivations and interest in rational discourse.
It sounded like you wanted a list of stories written by people who gave a shit... That would be a long-ass list.BenjaminBirdie said:
As for recommending some of the ones I personally like... Well, there would be a bunch of genres and formats, there, and nothing "universally pleasing". It's a bit hard to recommend stuff in the void. All I know about you (since you asked) is that you apparently still think Lost is a great show... and that doesn't exactly help, obviously.
Well, you're apparently (correct me if I'm mistaken) defending the plot of Lost. So, from where I'm sitting, either you can't tell when a story mostly consists of pointless, pretentious, inconsistent nonsense shat out by writers who didn't give a fuck, or you're really quite tolerant of that kind of stuff... Either way, at this point, I don't think I would rely on you to tell me what constitutes decent storytelling, no. Sorry.
I believe I gave a bunch of arguments already... If you have counter-arguments, go ahead.
BenjaminBirdie
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Erigu said:
OR. I think you're wrong. Pointless? Kate's character arc refutes this. Pretentious? See previous answer. Inconsistent? Shit, please see #1 again. Nonsense? Well, just sitting through a 44 minute episode refutes that hyperbole. As far as "shat out by writers who didn't give a fuck," of course, there's no proof of that one way or another. I'm sure there are members of the writing staff of terrible shows that care deeply about them.
But yeah, your odious posting methods pretty much back up my appraisal of your argumentative style. You don't like Lost, subjectively. This leads you to insult actual people, objectively.
Best of luck with that.
Drealmcc0y
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Raist said:
Why?
Dont you dare fucking reply to me erigu
I think the story still makes quite a bit of sense, but with some gargantuan and unfortunate plotholes with reagrds to Smokey's abilities/purpose, and everything relating to Mrs. Plothole.
You just have to remember that none of the characters know what the fuck is going on, no matter how reliable they may seem. It's all just their interpretations of the Island's powers.
You just have to remember that none of the characters know what the fuck is going on, no matter how reliable they may seem. It's all just their interpretations of the Island's powers.
Drealmcc0y
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Yaweee said:
What plotholes regarding smokey is there?
You do?! No way! :lolBenjaminBirdie said:
Er... Could you elaborate at least a tiny bit?
'Cause as far as I'm concerned, she was a shitty character (see there, for starters).
Well, that's easy. :lol
OK, seriously, now... Actual arguments.
How would you like it if I went there ("it's a stupid show! just watch it and you'll see: it's obvious!")? Is that your idea of "rational discourse"?
Really, now. They come up with "intriguing mysteries!!", and then just drop them by explaining that "hey, the characters don't care, so neither do we!" Of course, as Lisa de Moraes points out, they're the ones who decide what the characters care about in the first place, but never mind that: it's not a cop-out at all, damn it!
I also like that one:
... and then...
If you reversed and sped up that part of the interview, I imagine it would sound like "hahaha! fuck you, suckers!" with a doppler effect as their expensive car races to the bank.
(for the record, the anagram they mentioned above for the episode "Not in Portland" was "Mittelos", i.e. "lost time"... compelling evidence that they knew where they were going with those skeletons, huh?)
I also find that interview "interesting" in more ways than one... So when did they decide the flashsideways would turn out to be some kind of weird, mushy limbos? My guess would be "late in the final season". No biggie!
Possibly (poor souls...). I was thinking of Lindelof and Cuse when I said that.
Whaaa? :lol
I'd say it goes a lot deeper than that...Yaweee said:
Most (if not all) of the on-island action during seasons 1 to 3 stemmed from the conflict between the crash survivors and the Others, right? Too bad the Others' motivations were at best unclear and at worst nonsensical, then...
Drealmcc0y
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Adam and eve is proof they had a plan.
Did they know everything?
absolutelyfuckingnot
But they had a plan
Did they know everything?
absolutelyfuckingnot
But they had a plan
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