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overthehill99
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I just got my Complete Collection today, and I can't get the fucking map to snap back on the top. Anyone else have this problem?
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
I woulda picked the Lost numbers, but I thought TOO EASY.
I won nothing, I think. :-/
I won nothing, I think. :-/
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Watch me play Thursday's jackpot with them and win NOTHING. 
Can't believe even the powerball was 42, you can't fuck that up.
Can't believe even the powerball was 42, you can't fuck that up.
Drealmcc0y
Banned
I just got the final episodes soundtrack by post a few hours ago.
The second disc is so amazingly good.
It lasts Hour and 15 minutes which is like 1 gym session, so I can listen to the final episode while pumping iron
The second disc is so amazingly good.
It lasts Hour and 15 minutes which is like 1 gym session, so I can listen to the final episode while pumping iron
I don't see what could be controversial about Across The Sea. Unless being a barely passable episode is controversial. The episode's premise was cool because I love seeing backstory on Jacob, but it had poor acting performances from little Jacob and little Smoke Man. I also like how it shed some light on the infamous wheel and the inception of the Smoke Man. The episode ended on a high note, with the flash forward to the beginning of the series, showing Jack and Kate finding those two black and white stones.
The end was certainly awesome, but I feel like the storytelling in the episode is way too muddy. There are definitely enough events there to sort of "figure out the island." But they're told in a difficult way. For instance, I know people who never understood that the mom could turn into the smoke monster. It disappointed me because it gave these half-answers and then expected us to enjoy the story that came from them, which was hard to do. But by the end you can forget all that and enjoy the end of the show with what was given in AtS. Because at that point, all you have to know is "even Jacob and Smokey aren't the be-all-end-all. This island and it's conflicts are eternal, and the losties are just a part."nourali2 said:
Man the show's ending was beautiful. I think season 6 is heavily-flawed, riddled with awful plot sequences that were never a problem in the first 5 seasons. Like someone said, it felt like the writers were just spinning the wheels. Season 6 was a mediocre season with good scenes here and there. But that ending... whew. What a way to end a series like this. I love it.
I didn't come close to tearing up in the final scene, but it was definitely sad in a wonderful way.
Would I be right in saying none of the people who escaped on the plane (i.e. Lepitus, Miles, and Alpert) were in the church as everyone got ready to "move on?"
edit: I changed a word up there, from terrible to mediocre. I won't call the season terrible, but yeah I'll call it mediocre. The temple plotlines and the constant switching of allegiances between the Whitmore camp and the Smoke Monster's camp grated on me. But the season had its moments.
I didn't come close to tearing up in the final scene, but it was definitely sad in a wonderful way.
Would I be right in saying none of the people who escaped on the plane (i.e. Lepitus, Miles, and Alpert) were in the church as everyone got ready to "move on?"
edit: I changed a word up there, from terrible to mediocre. I won't call the season terrible, but yeah I'll call it mediocre. The temple plotlines and the constant switching of allegiances between the Whitmore camp and the Smoke Monster's camp grated on me. But the season had its moments.
Yep. However some were not a big enough part of the survivor's experience to even be remembered in their afterlife, so they where not there.
I think Ben's ending was perfection. It shows he became a good guy, but it doesn't give him a free pass, all while being done in a very nice and wonderful way.
I think Ben's ending was perfection. It shows he became a good guy, but it doesn't give him a free pass, all while being done in a very nice and wonderful way.
For example, Sawyer forgot he had a daughter.Willy105 said:
I mean, sure, he killed Widmore in cold blood, but show me someone who doesn't murder a little once in a while.
Well, it did, but Ben chose not to use it right away and punish himself instead by staying a bit longer in that horrible, horrible limbo.
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
Awesome, glad you enjoyed the finale. Your impressions pretty much reflect how I felt about the final season as a whole.nourali2 said:
Just finished the final episode, have been watching the complete show over the last 2 weeks (kind of ignored it before). After all the "worst finale ever" stuff I read online I found it to be ok. Nowhere near the class of a Six Feet Under finale but still enjoyable.
I was about to give up on the show during season 4 and 5 but once I got used to the changes it was "ok".
Nice show but nothing I would watch again...
I was about to give up on the show during season 4 and 5 but once I got used to the changes it was "ok".
Nice show but nothing I would watch again...
Drealmcc0y
Banned
nourali2 said:
bu bu teh season 4 is awesome!
I just finished the last episode of Lost last night. The ending is really very well done, it's so well done I forgive how they screw up Season 4,5 and 6. The score "moving on" is so bittersweet I dunno how to explain it
I have no idea how this series did not receive "Best Soundtrack for a TV series".
I really noticed Jin and Sun's storyline is really like a sappy Korean Drama show lol.
I have no idea how this series did not receive "Best Soundtrack for a TV series".
I really noticed Jin and Sun's storyline is really like a sappy Korean Drama show lol.
I can't get over how beautiful the last scene is. I like that, just like in another show I like (to name the show would totally spoil the end for some people), the very last moment is the
. The last few notes of music in the finale are perfect.
BTW, my interpretation of end of season 6 is that
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Also, I've come to terms with the fact that the show left a lot of things unanswered. I don't care anymore. I just care that the first 5 seasons were almost entirely top notch, and that a mediocre sixth season had fantastic moments (Alpert episode, explanation of the numbers, the final scene, etc...).
show's leader dying. There is no Lost show without Jack, and so the series must end when he passes away
BTW, my interpretation of end of season 6 is that
Jack and all the other characters are in purgatory, and are not in a dream. Jack dies, he closes his eyes, and Kate and Lepitus and a bunch of the other Losties escape on the plane and lead a normal life. They eventually die (from natural or unnatural causes, either way they die). Hurley lives on the island for an unspecified and probably very long time, protecting the island until the forces of nature bury the island under the sea. Then, everyone ends up in purgatory, needing to move on. The problem with this theory though is that Desmond shows up in "purgatory" long before any of my proposed deaths
Also, I've come to terms with the fact that the show left a lot of things unanswered. I don't care anymore. I just care that the first 5 seasons were almost entirely top notch, and that a mediocre sixth season had fantastic moments (Alpert episode, explanation of the numbers, the final scene, etc...).
Drealmcc0y
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nourali2 said:
What unanswered questions do you have?
and yes the musical is incredible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5wOHIi7xCU
Also lets compare quality beloved episodes:
Season 6:
LA X
The Substitute
Dr Linus
Ab Aeterno
Happily Ever After
The Candidate
What they died for
The End
Season 5:
The life and death of Jeremy Bentham
Lafleur
Dead is Dead
Follow the Leader
The Incident
Season 4:
The Constant
Shape of things to come
Cabin Fever
Theres no place like hom
Season 6 is superior
Drealmcc0y
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big ander said:
Thats a strange way to judge episodes
Drealmcc0y said:
I'm going to make some assumptions, based on my understanding of the show.
1) Pushing the button was of the utmost importance. Every 108 minutes, someone has to type 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 into the computer and push the button. It discharges an intense electromagnetic pocket. It keeps the world safe. The Dharma Initiative did not know about the light on the island, so they must have assumed that the pocket of electromagnetic energy they were containing within the Swan was powerful enough, if left unchecked, to destroy the world.
2) If the Dharma Iniative lied to Swan employees about said electromagnetic source being powerful enough to destroy the world, they at least must have thought it could destroy the island. And if the island is destroyed, then the light goes out, and the world crumbles anyway. So pushing the button every 108 minutes was a hero's task either way.
3) The Swan station had a failsafe, a self-destruct mechanism. At any time, the keyholder of the Swan could climb to the lower levels of the facility, turn their key and implode the Swan. This would eliminate the threat but it would be a suicide mission, so no one attempts to do it. When Locke broke the computer, he forced Desmond to activate the failsafe. Desmond thought he was sacrificing his life to prevent a catastrophe, and he did prevent a catastrophe, but he had unique properties that allowed him to survive the electromagnetic implosion.
So with that out of the way, we can say: Pushing the button was a very important thing to do. My question is: How did the Swan remain staffed for 20+ years, even after the Dharma Iniative's dissolution (genocide)? The world kept spinning after the Dharma crew disappeared, so who was pushing the button, and who was periodically re-staffing the Swan station ensuring there was always someone pushing the button?
edit: After thinking about it I think I found a suitable answer for myself almost immediately after typing this post... I'm thinking of Faraday's mother, and how she guided Desmond and nudged him along the path towards the island and the button. When Desmond was re-living his past, he was urged not to do anything different by Faraday's mother. Desmond couldn't buy the ring, he couldn't ask Penny to marry him, and he ended up running away. He regretted doing those things the first time and yet he repeats the same mistake, probably because some very powerful people (Faraday's mother, Jacob) are working behind the scenes, pulling strings and nudging people like Desmond and the candidates towards the island. The Swan was probably re-staffed in this manner.
*shrugs*
BuggyDClown
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nourali2 said:
Drealmcc0y
Banned
Yep you figured it out lol
Have you seen "The New Man in Charge"?
Its the epilogue to lost that ties up a few loose ends.
It also explains the pallet drop and why the dharma initiative was still running.
In the epilogue it says the people loading the pallet receive an automated message from the lampost station. Who runs the lampost station? Eloise Hawking. She is obviously making sure the swan hatch is manned and that the button is still pushed because she is one of the others.
Have you seen "The New Man in Charge"?
Its the epilogue to lost that ties up a few loose ends.
It also explains the pallet drop and why the dharma initiative was still running.
In the epilogue it says the people loading the pallet receive an automated message from the lampost station. Who runs the lampost station? Eloise Hawking. She is obviously making sure the swan hatch is manned and that the button is still pushed because she is one of the others.
Well, the show pretty much states all that, right?nourali2 said:
They never explained the numbers, actually.
Because triggering that system remotely was as impossible as automatizing the Swan button. For some reason.
Whereas he just fled when that same situation presented itself at the beginning of the season. But the island was (/the writers were) not done with the hatch yet, back then!
Part of the "special because" club.
Well, one would think some of them were still on mainland... But yeah, they didn't seem in a big hurry to help with the button. They drop food, but let only two guys in charge of that thing?
The question now being: how did she know to do all that? How did she know Desmond would want to buy a ring there?
Oh, and of course: if the universe "self-corrects", why not let things take their course anyway?
Why would they leave one DHARMA station be when they killed everybody else?HenryGale said:
Because letting two stranded, sleep-deprived guys in charge of that button would be a better idea than taking over?
And if Ben knew the button was so important, why go out of his way to try and persuade Locke that it didn't do anything? Sounds like a terrible idea once again.
How generous.
Yeah, and that's why it was terrible managing. Especially considering what was at stake.
For some reason. Guess the DHARMA staff on mainland simply evaporated without anyone noticing nor caring. As for Hawking, she just knows stuff. Don't question her.Drealmcc0y said:
Because there would be no better way to make sure that button is pushed, clearly. That's not awfully risky nor contrived at all.
That doesn't explain the six recurring numbers at all.Yocke said:
Those numbers were those of the last remaining candidates sometime after Jacob decided to remove Kate from the list and before Locke was killed by Ben.
Why then? What made that particular period of time, when there were exactly six candidates left, more important than any other? Why did those six numbers have to be entered on the DHARMA computer? Why were they broadcast from the island? What was up with their effect on Hurley's life? And there were more remaining candidates, back then...
Basically, the cave and the lighthouse were just yet another curious occurrence of the same "six magic numbers". No "explanation" at all, there: the whole thing is as arbitrary as ever.
bigswords said:
I have been listening to the soundtrack on spotify while at work and god damn is it good. LAX and Moving On really are stand out pieces in my opinion. I dont know if it is because of the emotion in the show tied to the tracks, or if its the emotion in the tracks that made the show special but listening to it has brought back some good memories of the show. Makes me want to start a re-watch sooner rather than later.
Thats not the explanation. That was the explanation for how they related to the Losties. But it doesnt really explain why they came up so much (even off island). I seem to remember them being on the back of some soccer uniforms. That may have been a hurly dream though Im not sure.Yocke said:
The actual explanation was somewhere in season 6, though I forget what ep. MIB said "Jacob had a thing for numbers."
Problem solved case closed U_U
Erigu said:
Okay, pardon me for thinking it wasn't obvious. I was bouncing around the idea that it was all a dream Jack made up to help himself move on (silly idea) until I accepted it all happened in purgatory. Anyways, the show never explicitly states that the Losties on the plane live normal lives off the island, and that Hurley protects the island for millenia, and that after countless years nature buries the island under the sea. Those might be obvious assumptions to make, but the show never explicitly makes any of these statements (to be more specific, Christian never explicitly makes these statements at the end of the show).
The above paragraph is also directed at Willy, who also asked "Isn't that how theye explain it?"
You're right, they don't explain why they recur everywhere, but I'm satisfied enough with the following assumption: Jacob is supernatural, and he pulls strings behind the scenes to compel people to come to the island, and he has a thing for numbers, and so he inserts these numbers in bizarre places just for the heck of it. *shrug* This is a case where I don't think they need to fully explain the numbers. It's enough for me to know that Jacob was the originator of the numbers and that the numbers represent the six best candidates on the island.
Game, set, match. This is one point I concede.
At the time, Desmond was not fully convinced that he was really saving the world. But in the few moments before Locke broke the computer, Desmond was examining the information from the surveillance station (its name escapes me), and data from the day of the crash proved to Desmond that the station really did store dangerous electromagnetic energy. Once he realized that the station brought down Oceanic 815, he realized the importance of pushing the button.
Good point. I don't know either. I can just shrug and say "she's just all powerful, dude."
Willy105 said:
Desmond shows up in purgatory before anyone else dies...
nourali2 said:
You seem to be thinking too much into this. It doesn't matter what happened to the survivors after they left to the island, they obviously lived their lives (especially Hurley and Ben). That seems like stuff for fan fiction or possible future Lost material.
The show explains that Hurley and Ben ruled the island (for how long it's irrelevant for the story), the show explains the survivors lived (for how long or what happened is irrelevant for the story), and the show never says the island was buried in real life (it being shown buried on the flashsideways just seemed like a cool opening, not an actual plot point, since it was never brought up again). This is all coming from Christian, Hurley and Ben's 'Number 1 and Number 2' conversation, and the real life events of The End.
I am not sure what you mean by dream or purgatory, I call it the afterlife: an epilogue to the whole series. Dream would mean that it happened while Jack was alive (just because the flashsideways scenes and present scenes were mixed together doesn't mean it happened at the same time.)
Same thing for Desmond. Just because we see Desmond first doesn't mean the rest of the people in the epilogue didn't exist yet. We just see him first, it doesn't mean he died first or anything like that.
I always assumed she got it from Farradays book. We only saw a few pages of that book and it could be safe to assume the rest was just filled with stuff that happened to him and those around him so when she killed him and got his book, she had access to all that information.nourali2 said:
I dont know. There are holes in this theory but its the only thing that makes sense. It also explains why she told Penny she doesnt know whats going to happen anymore. Since Farraday died, she couldnt gain any new information. She only had what was in his book.
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