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oatmeal said:
Whoops!

Didn't realize that one was for me, too.

He was being sarcastic. But the statue had quite a few things happen that made it 'important'.

For starters, we see it breaking in Ab Aeterno. Jacob lives in the foot, and dies in the foot. Perhaps you were expecting something bigger? Say, the statue's foot was the keystone to the island?

I don't know. I'm just not sure what you EXPECT 'important' to mean.

But it wasn't important, as the fact that it was a statue was completely irrelevant. It could have been a rock. Why make it a statue? The fact that you see an Egyptian looking statue is that you expect to eventually get answers as to who built it and why it was there. You never even got a glimpse into that.
 
TheExodu5 said:
But it wasn't important, as the fact that it was a statue was completely irrelevant. It could have been a rock. Why make it a statue? The fact that you see an Egyptian looking statue is that you expect to eventually get answers as to who built it and why it was there. You never even got a glimpse into that.

I disagree.

We saw that it was there for awhile, we saw how it got to its current state...it's not like it was just avoided.

It just boils down to what you as a viewer think is important.

I was actually really satisfied that they brought it back and gave us a glimpse at its history. I wasn't expecting a flashback showing the creation of it...

Different strokes.

PS: Keep playing TP. That thread is fun to read.
 
Catalix said:

Easily one of the best scenes of the entire show...possibly the best.

Locke's acting...the script... brings a tear to my eye...such a well directed scene.

If I rewatch the show...I'll make it either a Season 1-4 or Season 1-5 rewatch...not sure yet. I loved Season 5 when it first aired, because it was introducing all these really cool elements and it was a lot of fun speculating about them...but it all feels rather pointless with the 'revelations' in Season 6.

As for the characters themselves...they stopped being interesting after Season 4. Even in Season 4 I could feel it going downhill. Jack and Locke were still great, but Sawyer was awful in Season 4. I feel as though there was this unnatural shift in character behavior, and they just stopped behaving as themselves. In season 6, in particular, they felt like empty, lifeless shells to me, simply being dragged along with the poor mythology.
 
Do we have an explanation for the magic lighthouse yet?

Also, secret golden-glow caves, lava plugs, and "people we care about" ghost meetings. LOL @ Season 6.
 
Korey said:
Do we have an explanation for the magic lighthouse yet?

That one doesn't necessarily need more of an explanation than it got. It was introduced in an episode, and that was that. It was a magical lighthouse that allowed Jacob to see into the lives of the Losties. It felt more like an extension to Jacob. We almost assumed to be omnipotent, so that just felt like an extension of that aspect of him.

In terms of explanations throughout the show, we got a lot of "what"s, but not a lot of "why"s.

Korey said:
Also, lava plugs and "people we care about" ghost meetings. LOL @ Season 6.

Season 6 is just pretty worthless overall. No interesting character development, and it introduced some terribly thought out mythology. All to allow for a touchy feely happy ending.
 
oatmeal said:
We saw that it was there for awhile, we saw how it got to its current state...it's not like it was just avoided.
It just boils down to what you as a viewer think is important.
I was actually really satisfied that they brought it back and gave us a glimpse at its history. I wasn't expecting a flashback showing the creation of it...
Nor was I (like I said earlier, I wouldn't expect much from a TV show, especially one that barely manages to CG a submarine in). But an explanation as to how/why it came to be would have been nice to say the least.

All right, oatmeal. You're a combination of Indiana Jones, Fox Mulder and Robert Langdon, the kind of guy whose services are called upon whenever something extremely queer and possibly supernatural arises. Flanked by your faithful-bordering-on-irritating assistant Popo, you're now in some nondescript-but-typically-backwards foreign country to examine the case of a peculiar crystal skull that has just been discovered.
(this scenario takes place in a world where crystal skulls haven't been debunked nor linked to nuked fridges)

Popo: Professor, professor! What do you make of this?!
Dr. oatmeal: At first glance, I'd say what we have here is a human skull entirely made of crystal...
Popo: But professor! Human beings aren't made of crystal?!
Dr. oatmeal: No, they're not, Popo. Which is why I'd rather not jump to conclusions at this point.

*several days later*

Popo: Professor, professor! They found something else! A full human skeleton made of crystal! Well, not exactly "full": only the skull is missing!
Dr. oatmeal: Ah-ha! So just as I suspected, this is a human skull made of crystal indeed! Well, time to go home, Popo! Mystery solved!
Popo: Is it?
Dr. oatmeal: Of course! What else would you need, silly Popo? Now pack your things and hop in the trunk of the oatmobile before I try to abandon you once again.

Now, you might argue that it's "just a statue", not a crystal skull or anything particularly odd like that.
I'd have to disagree once again. And not because of the unusual number of toes.
Sure, one might wonder why it was only given four toes (in the context of a story, it's kinda natural to wonder why that particular element is introduced), but technically speaking, anybody could sculpt a four (or six, or twelve)-toe foot, even without any kind of supernatural element being involved, even in our real world.
If anything, considering the island appears to be magically cut off from the outside world, I'd be weirded out by the size of the thing, the sheer scope of the enterprise, not the number of toes.
Sorry, Sayid, but focusing on that aspect (or on the fact that part of the statue is missing, which is apparently fucking weird because statues never collapse) is a bit strange ("Hey, Sayid, what's wrong? What's that you're reading? -... I don't know what is more disquieting—the fact that this cat can speak, or that it's eating lasagna...").

And if you don't think the size of the thing is remarkable, in typical Lost fashion, the show itself is forthcoming with ammunition for my argument...
Remember when the Man in Black was giving Desmond a little tour of the island and stopped by a well?
"You don't seem suitably impressed by my well, Desmond. I'll let you know that back in the day, we didn't have no fancy tools to dig holes like that. We had to do it with our bare hands. Our bare hands, you hear me?!"
Now, as a bespectacled nerd, I don't want to be dissing the manual labor involved (and the Man in Black would like to remind you that it was literally manual), but we're still talking about a hole that wasn't deep enough for a Scotsman to fall in it and break something. If we're to be somewhat impressed by that, what about a statue that once dwarfed the Colossus of Rhodes? Or the temple? One has to wonder how excited the Man in Black would sound when introducing those to his tourist group.

Between that, the monster summoning device and the cork (to list only the most WTF examples), they definitely had some 'splainin' to do regarding the Egypt stuff is all I'm saying.

And I'm not even talking about doing another episode set in the distant past, a quite possibly expensive "Egypt-centric" offering. Just a few lines here and there could have helped quite a bit. If they could find time for Sun's "I hit my head and forgot how to speak English" plot, surely, giving the Man in Black a couple of lines about all that was within the realm of possibilities.

For example, instead of having Locke lead Desmond to a shabby, not particularly awe-inspiring well in the woods and explain to him how it was built and why, i.e. something we'd actually see for ourselves a few episodes down the line anyway, he could have shown him the ruins of the temple and go "long ago, silly Jacob briefly allowed those people to come and go as they pleased between the island and the outside world (*), blahblah, damn Egyptians were eventually corrupted by their hubris and damn near destroyed the island, blahblah, had to be taken care of so it wouldn't happen again... and here's the pit where they kept their prisoners. I'm showing you this because- HUMPH!"

(*)
For added flavor, you could be cute and hint that this brief period of time where the island was accessible was in part responsible for the myth of Atlantis enduring for so long.
For added added flavor, you could also have Jacob tell Jack and the others that he tried that little experiment with the Egyptians because he felt a bit shitty for his brother. He turned him into a monster in a fit of rage, and all the guy ever wanted was to see the outside world, his roots. And although he couldn't let his brother leave the island in fear of what he could do with his powers, he thought he could at least try and bring the world to him instead, in a relatively controlled environment. But things didn't work out...

Now, I'm obviously no writer, and I won't pretend those are "absolutely awesome ideas you guys!", but considering the ingredients I'm cooking with, I think it's not too bad: it economically ties up a few loose ends and provides some much-needed characterization for the Senet Siblings. I'm not sure how an entire team of writers whose lives supposedly revolved around the show for years couldn't come up with better than what we actually got.


TheExodu5 said:
That one doesn't necessarily need more of an explanation than it got. It was introduced in an episode, and that was that. It was a magical lighthouse that allowed Jacob to see into the lives of the Losties.
And to guide Widmore to the island. Somehow. By positioning the mirror on Wallace/108 ("aren't our numbers awesome, you guys?!"). For some reason. And it wasn't actually necessary anyway ("oh, I'm sure they'll find another way... *shrug*" ... damn, Jacob, you so nonchalant).
Hrm.

Also, the showrunners tried to explain why Jacob was keeping track of his candidates both at the lighthouse and in that cave (they reason it probably really was Jacob's cave, because of that "private joke" thing the Man in Black found there... no, that one was never explained, by the way, but Darlton would probably tell you that's why it's "private"! can't argue with that!).
It may seem redundant at first, but what if! ... what if Jacob was actually using that cave to mislead the Man in Black?! "Maybe that's why Kate's name was crossed out in the cave!", they say, adding that it is good speculation indeed, hmm-hmmmm!
... Even ignoring the fact we never saw Kate's name in that cave (they said it was there but the footage was cut, and it sure makes perfect sense that they wouldn't pay much attention to that only to later bring up that it's quite intriguing how Kate's name is crossed out at the cave but not at the Lighthouse and what could that possibly meeeean?), even ignoring the fact that never went anywhere, providing the Man in Black with a fake (and barely faked anyway) list of candidates wouldn't help much, if at all. It wouldn't be hard for him to identify the true candidates: they're the ones he can't directly kill. And we've seen he doesn't mind killing people.

"Ah, but what if he had already killed everybody on the island but Kate (conveniently enough), and realized only then that she was actually still a candidate? He couldn't kill her, and there'd be nobody else on the island to do the job for him!"
He could just set a booby trap, for example.
Dumb as it is, the rules would apparently allow that, based on what happened in that sub: "sure, I set the trap, but she's the one who triggered it!"
Naturally, that would work for any candidate, at any time. It sure shouldn't have taken him centuries, all things considered. Guess that never occurred to the showrunners in the six years they had that plan in mind.
 
TheExodu5 said:
Season 6 is just pretty worthless overall. No interesting character development, and it introduced some terribly thought out mythology. All to allow for a touchy feely happy ending.

That's because it's the ending.
 
Erigu said:
But an explanation as to how/why it came to be would have been nice to say the least.

All that matters with respect to how/why it came to be is that it showed that a previous civilization lived on the island. You really needed to see a flashback of Egyptians, with one of them saying "We're building this statue as a tribute to one of our gods!" to be satisfied and understand its purpose? You couldn't figure that out on your own?
 
TheExodu5 said:
But it wasn't important, as the fact that it was a statue was completely irrelevant. It could have been a rock. Why make it a statue? The fact that you see an Egyptian looking statue is that you expect to eventually get answers as to who built it and why it was there. You never even got a glimpse into that.
Taweret is the statue, officially confirmed in a magazine puzzle, which is a goddess of childbirth and fertility. Electromagnetism messes with birth. The egyptians obviously built it after they had their own incident. Ben recruited a doctor. In the past... Gods>Doctors. Jacob is drawn to life and bringing people, thus liking the statue. MIB is all about death and leaving. Killing Jacob is the statue is symbolic and ironic.

It's so simple.
 
I just watched the SAW Rifftrax. I never saw that movie before. But I saw both Miles and Ben starring in it. Ben being the crazy bad guy, menacingly watching the actions of the prisoners on his video screen. Was weird to see. All it did was remind me of Lost.

As unsatisfied as I was with that ending and lack of question answering, the show definitely still had impact.
 
404Ender said:
All that matters with respect to how/why it came to be is that it showed that a previous civilization lived on the island. You really needed to see a flashback of Egyptians, with one of them saying "We're building this statue as a tribute to one of our gods!" to be satisfied and understand its purpose? You couldn't figure that out on your own?
I realize it was a long-ass post, but if you could read beyond the first couple of sentences, you probably wouldn't have to ask me that...

EDIT: Wait, no: the first sentence of the post already made it clear that I wasn't even asking for an actual flashback. Perhaps that's why you skipped it and only quoted the second sentence?


DeathNote said:
Taweret is the statue, officially confirmed in a magazine puzzle, which is a goddess of childbirth and fertility. Electromagnetism messes with birth. The egyptians obviously built it after they had their own incident.
So now we're not just assuming that they had their own incident, but also that it had the same side-effect as the hydrogen bomb going off at the Swan site (an effect that apparently disappeared over time)?
And they decided and managed to build a statue that fucking big despite being stuck on an island and incapable of having children? Talk about the energy of despair...
"Obviously", really?
 
Erigu said:
I realize it was a long-ass post, but if you could read beyond the first couple of sentences, you probably wouldn't have to ask me that...

EDIT: Wait, no: the first sentence of the post already made it clear that I wasn't even asking for an actual flashback. Perhaps that's why you skipped it and only quoted the second sentence?

Just doing what you do.

(if it wasn't clear, I'm referring to picking and choosing parts of posts to emphasize and only responding to those).

And you still didn't address my first sentence. We're given the necessary info about the statue's origins. The exact specifics of how it was built and why Egyptians were there don't matter: they were just another civilization in a long list of cultures that's been to the island, explored it, set up civilizations, and searched for answers.

They leave it at that because you can go ahead and make conjectures, like DeathNote, if you'd like (personally I agree with him, I think it's a fitting explanation/theory), but by no means do you need to, and it's not proven because the showrunners didn't explicity say it. And that's ok.
 
404Ender said:
Just doing what you do.

(if it wasn't clear, I'm referring to picking and choosing parts of posts to emphasize and only responding to those).

And you still didn't address my first sentence. We're given the necessary info about the statue's origins. The exact specifics of how it was built and why Egyptians were there don't matter: they were just another civilization in a long list of cultures that's been to the island, explored it, set up civilizations, and searched for answers.

Where are you getting the idea that civilizations existed on the island?

It takes more than a few people to set up civilization, right?

We're told that the island isn't easy to find. Most of whom were brought to the island were by Jacob. So how would there ever have been enough people or time to set up civilization on the island?
 
DeathNote said:
Taweret is the statue, officially confirmed in a magazine puzzle, which is a goddess of childbirth and fertility. Electromagnetism messes with birth. The egyptians obviously built it after they had their own incident. Ben recruited a doctor. In the past... Gods>Doctors. Jacob is drawn to life and bringing people, thus liking the statue. MIB is all about death and leaving. Killing Jacob is the statue is symbolic and ironic.

It's so simple.

That's not consistent with the fact that in the 60s, childbirth was possible and the statue was still destroyed.

And don't say the infertility was caused by the hydrogen bomb, since you're suggesting that the infertility existed prior to the bomb, as an incentive for the Egyptians to build the statue in the first place.
 
An extremely large amout of eletromagnatism was released from the drilling accident during the incident before the bomb was detonated. The bomb being detonated is irrelvent to the effects of electromagnatism on birth. Electromagnatism being found was first shown before MIB became the smoke monster. That location later became the wheel that has Hieroglyphs. Since the egpytians were in contact with the electromagnatism, and since elegomataism is what messes with child birth, it's not hard to comprehend that they had their own incidents/problems trying to harness the power of electromagnetism. Think black lung disease. Electromagnetic woumb diease. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. It's possible to have a decent amount of births, but enough deaths to think the God isn't pleased with you. If the Egyptians can build statues on a desert, they can build it on a friggin' island.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pregnancies

TheExodu5 said:
That's not consistent with the fact that in the 60s, childbirth was possible and the statue was still destroyed.

And don't say the infertility was caused by the hydrogen bomb, since you're suggesting that the infertility existed prior to the bomb, as an incentive for the Egyptians to build the statue in the first place.
I clearly said "Electromagnetism messes with birth". The bomb didn't release the electromagnetism. They drilled into a pocket releasing it.
" in 1977, a construction crew penetrated one of these pockets, unleashing electromagnetic energy on the island at large."
"Electromagnetism on the island interferes with early stages of gestation."
 
404Ender said:
Just doing what you do.
(if it wasn't clear, I'm referring to picking and choosing parts of posts to emphasize and only responding to those).
I'm often told this, but pretty much never given concrete examples, curiously enough...
Let's see yours...

And you still didn't address my first sentence. We're given the necessary info about the statue's origins.
"Built by Egyptians", yes. I thought I had made it pretty clear that's not where the issue lies.

The exact specifics of how it was built and why Egyptians were there don't matter: they were just another civilization in a long list of cultures that's been to the island, explored it, set up civilizations, and searched for answers.
Do you think Claudia's people could have built a giant statue or a temple like that? Or the Black Rock passengers? Or the drug dealers? Or the crash survivors?
Again, the only other "visitors" who were able to build something of that scope were the DHARMA guys. And that's because, unlike the others, they weren't simply stranded there. They were a special case, and that had to be explained on the show.
What about those Egyptians, then?


DeathNote said:
If the Egyptians can build statues on a desert, they can build it on a friggin' island.
... Seriously?
You know, when I wrote this in an earlier post:
"C'mon, it's Egyptians! They just build gigantic stuff! That's what they do! Leave some Egyptians to their own devices for a while, and there you go: they built a big fucking pyramid while you weren't looking!"
... I didn't actually expect someone to come out and say "sure, that's how it goes!"
 
Erigu said:
What's your point?

-Are you trying to say "Why didn't they build a pyramid?!". I see no motivation to build one, unlike pleasing a childbirth goddess. A pyramid would have been an incredibly large project and probably not enough man power. They are usually built for Pharaohs. If there was a Pharaoh there, it would probably have one back in Egypt and probably side with MIB to get off the island and get back to it.

-Are you trying to imply they didn't or wouldn't have built anything? You need a few things to build things. Motivation, the tools, the materials, the know how, the means. A civilization built the ruins and temple with that in mind. The Darhma Intuitive built their bases with that in mind. And I gave the motivation to build the statue.
 
DeathNote said:
What's your point?

-Are you trying to say "Why didn't they build a pyramid?!". I see no motivation to build one, unlike pleasing a childbirth goddess. A pyramid would have been an incredibly large project and probably not enough man power. They are usually built for Pharaohs. If there was a Pharaoh there, it would probably have one back in Egypt and probably side with MIB to get off the island and get back to it.

-Are you trying to imply they didn't or wouldn't have built anything? You need a few things to build things. Motivation, the tools, the materials, the know how, the means. A civilization built the ruins and temple with that in mind. The Darhma Intuitive built their bases with that in mind. And I gave the motivation to build the statue.

He's saying that it isn't conceivable, as far as what Lost has shown, for anyone to build a statue of that size and that it would've been nice to get an answer on how it got there.

I don't understand why the writers wanted to show how/why the Black Rock got to the island but completely ignored that aspect of the statue. I mean, neither of them were really THAT important in the grand scheme of things, but why provide an "answer" for one but ignore the other?
 
tycoonheart said:
He's saying that it isn't conceivable, as far as what Lost has shown, for anyone to build a statue of that size and that it would've been nice to get an answer on how it got there.

Supply-wise? I just assumed they sent the supplies through the desert and then through the Tunesia-hole. A kind of Food Drop.

With bricks.
 
DeathNote said:
A pyramid would have been an incredibly large project and probably not enough man power.
Whereas the giant statue and the temple were walks in the park?

You need a few things to build things. Motivation, the tools, the materials the means. Whatever civilization built the ruins and temple. The Darhma Intuitive built their bases.
For the nth time, the DHARMA Inititative wasn't just a small group of stranded people stuck on the island, and there was a good reason for that. It was addressed on the show. They had maintained access to the outside world, unlike all the other "visitors" we've seen.
So, again, what was up with those Egyptians?


BenjaminBirdie said:
Supply-wise? I just assumed they sent the supplies through the desert and then through the Tunesia-hole.
That works both ways? Guess the characters on the show went through a lot of unnecessary trouble to get back to the island, then...

A kind of Food Drop.
They had an abacus-powered proto-Lamp Post station?
 
tycoonheart said:
He's saying that it isn't conceivable, as far as what Lost has shown, for anyone to build a statue of that size and that it would've been nice to get an answer on how it got there.
Is the temple, ruins, tunnels, chambers all of that on your list of things impossible to make on the island? I find it easy to believe old civilizations could do these constructions. We're talking about a large time frame. Thousands of years BC. Electromagnetism has always existed on the island with the ability to mess with you if you messed with it.
 
DeathNote said:
Is the temple, ruins, tunnels, chambers all of that on your list of things impossible to make on the island? I find it easy to believe old civilizations could do these constructions. We're talking about a large time frame. Thousands of years BC. Electromagnetism has always existed on the island with the ability to mess with you if you messed with it.

But we are told the island can't be found easily. Thats why I have doubts that civilizations existed on the island.

Me, personally, I couldn't give two shits about the statue or the temple specifically. But I would've definitely liked to know more about the history of the island. Even if it were a quick 5 minute thing from Jacob. Did the island at one point exist as a part of the world where people could come in and leave easily?
 
Erigu said:
Nor was I (like I said earlier, I wouldn't expect much from a TV show, especially one that barely manages to CG a submarine in). But an explanation as to how/why it came to be would have been nice to say the least.

All right, oatmeal. You're a combination of Indiana Jones, Fox Mulder and Robert Langdon, the kind of guy whose services are called upon whenever something extremely queer and possibly supernatural arises. Flanked by your faithful-bordering-on-irritating assistant Popo, you're now in some nondescript-but-typically-backwards foreign country to examine the case of a peculiar crystal skull that has just been discovered.
(this scenario takes place in a world where crystal skulls haven't been debunked nor linked to nuked fridges)

Popo: Professor, professor! What do you make of this?!
Dr. oatmeal: At first glance, I'd say what we have here is a human skull entirely made of crystal...
Popo: But professor! Human beings aren't made of crystal?!
Dr. oatmeal: No, they're not, Popo. Which is why I'd rather not jump to conclusions at this point.

*several days later*

Popo: Professor, professor! They found something else! A full human skeleton made of crystal! Well, not exactly "full": only the skull is missing!
Dr. oatmeal: Ah-ha! So just as I suspected, this is a human skull made of crystal indeed! Well, time to go home, Popo! Mystery solved!
Popo: Is it?
Dr. oatmeal: Of course! What else would you need, silly Popo? Now pack your things and hop in the trunk of the oatmobile before I try to abandon you once again.

Now, you might argue that it's "just a statue", not a crystal skull or anything particularly odd like that.
I'd have to disagree once again. And not because of the unusual number of toes.
Sure, one might wonder why it was only given four toes (in the context of a story, it's kinda natural to wonder why that particular element is introduced), but technically speaking, anybody could sculpt a four (or six, or twelve)-toe foot, even without any kind of supernatural element being involved, even in our real world.
If anything, considering the island appears to be magically cut off from the outside world, I'd be weirded out by the size of the thing, the sheer scope of the enterprise, not the number of toes.
Sorry, Sayid, but focusing on that aspect (or on the fact that part of the statue is missing, which is apparently fucking weird because statues never collapse) is a bit strange ("Hey, Sayid, what's wrong? What's that you're reading? -... I don't know what is more disquieting—the fact that this cat can speak, or that it's eating lasagna...").

And if you don't think the size of the thing is remarkable, in typical Lost fashion, the show itself is forthcoming with ammunition for my argument...
Remember when the Man in Black was giving Desmond a little tour of the island and stopped by a well?
"You don't seem suitably impressed by my well, Desmond. I'll let you know that back in the day, we didn't have no fancy tools to dig holes like that. We had to do it with our bare hands. Our bare hands, you hear me?!"
Now, as a bespectacled nerd, I don't want to be dissing the manual labor involved (and the Man in Black would like to remind you that it was literally manual), but we're still talking about a hole that wasn't deep enough for a Scotsman to fall in it and break something. If we're to be somewhat impressed by that, what about a statue that once dwarfed the Colossus of Rhodes? Or the temple? One has to wonder how excited the Man in Black would sound when introducing those to his tourist group.

Between that, the monster summoning device and the cork (to list only the most WTF examples), they definitely had some 'splainin' to do regarding the Egypt stuff is all I'm saying.

And I'm not even talking about doing another episode set in the distant past, a quite possibly expensive "Egypt-centric" offering. Just a few lines here and there could have helped quite a bit. If they could find time for Sun's "I hit my head and forgot how to speak English" plot, surely, giving the Man in Black a couple of lines about all that was within the realm of possibilities.

For example, instead of having Locke lead Desmond to a shabby, not particularly awe-inspiring well in the woods and explain to him how it was built and why, i.e. something we'd actually see for ourselves a few episodes down the line anyway, he could have shown him the ruins of the temple and go "long ago, silly Jacob briefly allowed those people to come and go as they pleased between the island and the outside world (*), blahblah, damn Egyptians were eventually corrupted by their hubris and damn near destroyed the island, blahblah, had to be taken care of so it wouldn't happen again... and here's the pit where they kept their prisoners. I'm showing you this because- HUMPH!"

(*)
For added flavor, you could be cute and hint that this brief period of time where the island was accessible was in part responsible for the myth of Atlantis enduring for so long.
For added added flavor, you could also have Jacob tell Jack and the others that he tried that little experiment with the Egyptians because he felt a bit shitty for his brother. He turned him into a monster in a fit of rage, and all the guy ever wanted was to see the outside world, his roots. And although he couldn't let his brother leave the island in fear of what he could do with his powers, he thought he could at least try and bring the world to him instead, in a relatively controlled environment. But things didn't work out...

Now, I'm obviously no writer, and I won't pretend those are "absolutely awesome ideas you guys!", but considering the ingredients I'm cooking with, I think it's not too bad: it economically ties up a few loose ends and provides some much-needed characterization for the Senet Siblings. I'm not sure how an entire team of writers whose lives supposedly revolved around the show for years couldn't come up with better than what we actually got.



And to guide Widmore to the island. Somehow. By positioning the mirror on Wallace/108 ("aren't our numbers awesome, you guys?!"). For some reason. And it wasn't actually necessary anyway ("oh, I'm sure they'll find another way... *shrug*" ... damn, Jacob, you so nonchalant).
Hrm.

Also, the showrunners tried to explain why Jacob was keeping track of his candidates both at the lighthouse and in that cave (they reason it probably really was Jacob's cave, because of that "private joke" thing the Man in Black found there... no, that one was never explained, by the way, but Darlton would probably tell you that's why it's "private"! can't argue with that!).
It may seem redundant at first, but what if! ... what if Jacob was actually using that cave to mislead the Man in Black?! "Maybe that's why Kate's name was crossed out in the cave!", they say, adding that it is good speculation indeed, hmm-hmmmm!
... Even ignoring the fact we never saw Kate's name in that cave (they said it was there but the footage was cut, and it sure makes perfect sense that they wouldn't pay much attention to that only to later bring up that it's quite intriguing how Kate's name is crossed out at the cave but not at the Lighthouse and what could that possibly meeeean?), even ignoring the fact that never went anywhere, providing the Man in Black with a fake (and barely faked anyway) list of candidates wouldn't help much, if at all. It wouldn't be hard for him to identify the true candidates: they're the ones he can't directly kill. And we've seen he doesn't mind killing people.

"Ah, but what if he had already killed everybody on the island but Kate (conveniently enough), and realized only then that she was actually still a candidate? He couldn't kill her, and there'd be nobody else on the island to do the job for him!"
He could just set a booby trap, for example.
Dumb as it is, the rules would apparently allow that, based on what happened in that sub: "sure, I set the trap, but she's the one who triggered it!"
Naturally, that would work for any candidate, at any time. It sure shouldn't have taken him centuries, all things considered. Guess that never occurred to the showrunners in the six years they had that plan in mind.

I read the first paragraph or so, and I assume the rest is just as bloated as the first bit.

From what I read, I guess it's my fault for not realizing that the show was called "The LOST Statue".

Comparing it to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the CRYSTAL SKULL makes me lul.

But it's okay.
 
tycoonheart said:
But we are told the island can't be found easily. Thats why I have doubts that civilizations existed on the island.

Me, personally, I couldn't give two shits about the statue or the temple specifically. But I would've definitely liked to know more about the history of the island. Even if it were a quick 5 minute thing from Jacob. Did the island at one point exist as a part of the world where people could come in and leave easily?

Nobody finds the island by happenstance. They're all guided there by Jacob, in one way or another.
 
big ander said:
There were island leaders even before him. That was the point of Across the Sea.

Right. Sorry forgot about that.

But since they are the protectors, why would they need to guide anyone to the island? Jacob did so because he had his own reasons, which was to prove to his brother that humans won't always be corrupted. Right?
 
big ander said:
There were island leaders even before him. That was the point of Across the Sea.

Thats whats really cool i think though.

We got told the story of LOST.

That story is about the passengers of 815 and everything started with Across the Sea.

But that whole story is just a very small part of the history of the island.

Theres this whole massive story to the island and we got told the 1 part of it.
 
tycoonheart said:
Right. Sorry forgot about that.

But since they are the protectors, why would they need to guide anyone to the island? Jacob did so because he had his own reasons, which was to prove to his brother that humans won't always be corrupted. Right?

Well there were 3 reasons.

You just stated 1. The other 2 are because he wanted to pass the gauntlet onto somebody else and to kill the monster he created because he couldnt.
 
DeathNote said:
Is the temple, ruins, tunnels, chambers all of that on your list of things impossible to make on the island?
All those had hieroglyphs, incidentally.


oatmeal said:
I read the first paragraph or so, and I assume the rest is just as bloated as the first bit.
Well, thanks for letting me know you didn't bother to read the whole thing. That's nice, just as I'd expect from you.
While I'm at it: were you actually SIGHING there, or etc.
Ah, oatmeal...

Comparing it to Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the CRYSTAL SKULL makes me lul.
That's not quite what I did, actually, but okay: like you just said, you didn't bother reading. This explains that.


Blader5489 said:
Nobody finds the island by happenstance. They're all guided there by Jacob, in one way or another.
I don't think we ever got the final word regarding that one (or maybe in the Lost Encyclopedia?), but based on what Mother and the Man in Black said, that seems quite possible, yeah.
And I suppose he brought the drug dealers there just so Charlie and Eko would have something to do with their time. Guy is just ultra-powerful like that, apparently: he gives you a candy bar when you're a kid, and that puts you on a plane decades later. Alright.

Bringing an entire civilization seems a bit tricky though... You're gonna need a bigger boat. Or a whole bunch of them, anyway. And why do that? That doesn't sound like Jacob's current MO.


Drealmcc0y said:
Well there were 3 reasons.
You just stated 1. The other 2 are because he wanted to pass the gauntlet onto somebody else and to kill the monster he created because he couldnt.
Before the monster, that would only leave the question of the succession... And wouldn't bringing entire civilizations (or some people and let them thrive for generations until a civilization emerges) be overkill, just for a successor?
(especially when you're the goddamn protector of the island and you can just as well teleport to the outside world whenever you feel like it, apparently...)
 
Erigu said:
Well, thanks for letting me know you didn't bother to read the whole thing. That's nice, just as I'd expect from you.
While I'm at it: were you actually SIGHING there, or etc.
Ah, oatmeal...


That's not quite what I did, actually, but okay: like you just said, you didn't bother reading. This explains that.

I was talking to Exodu5, in short concise messages.

Then you came along and jumped in writing Jacob knows what for whatever reason.

I'm beginning to get the idea that you don't like the show.
 
Erigu said:
Yes, message boards are confusing.

Agreed.

Oh man, I've been doing a rewatch, and it's startling just how well thought out Kate's story is.

From her modest beginnings as a lunch-box thief, to finally besting the Man In Black.

It's clear, from watching it again, that the writers knew exactly how they would get to that moment.
 
oatmeal said:
Agreed.

Oh man, I've been doing a rewatch, and it's startling just how well thought out Kate's story is.

From her modest beginnings as a lunch-box thief, to finally besting the Man In Black.

It's clear, from watching it again, that the writers knew exactly how they would get to that moment.

season 1 Finale:

Jack: "If we survive this, if we survive tonight, were gonna have a Locke problem and i need to know you got my back"

Kate: "I got your back"
 
oatmeal said:
Agreed.

Oh man, I've been doing a rewatch, and it's startling just how well thought out Kate's story is.

From her modest beginnings as a lunch-box thief, to finally besting the Man In Black.

It's clear, from watching it again, that the writers knew exactly how they would get to that moment.
Modest beginnings as lunchbox thief: 103rd episode
Finally besting Man in Black: 120th episode

They knew exactly how to get her to that moment for almost all of those 17 episodes!
 
dave is ok said:
Modest beginnings as lunchbox thief: 103rd episode
Finally besting Man in Black: 120th episode

They knew exactly how to get her to that moment for almost all of those 17 episodes!

We saw her with the lunchbox much earlier in What Kate Did.

We just found out that she stole it later on.
 
oatmeal said:
We saw her with the lunchbox much earlier in What Kate Did.

We just found out that she stole it later on.

what does this lunchbox thing prove?

I dont see it.

The lunchbox was actually from "Born to Run" in season 1
 
Drealmcc0y said:
what does this lunchbox thing prove?

I dont see it.

The lunchbox was actually from "Born to Run" in season 1

EVEN EARLIER.

The lunchbox proves nothing.

Though I'm actually kind of surprised (not really) that Erigu isn't praising the writers for introducing the lunchbox and then giving the origins of said lunchbox.

However, I have to dock them points for not showing it on the assembly line.
 
oatmeal said:
EVEN EARLIER.

The lunchbox proves nothing.

Though I'm actually kind of surprised (not really) that Erigu isn't praising the writers for introducing the lunchbox and then giving the origins of said lunchbox.

However, I have to dock them points for not showing it on the assembly line.

Are we sure there ever really were a "New Kids On The Block"?
 
oatmeal said:
Agreed.

Oh man, I've been doing a rewatch, and it's startling just how well thought out Kate's story is.

From her modest beginnings as a lunch-box thief, to finally besting the Man In Black.

It's clear, from watching it again, that the writers knew exactly how they would get to that moment.

Explain please because I don't see it
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Are we sure there ever really were a "New Kids On The Block"?

I didn't see the birth of Donnie Wahlberg...how do I know he's real?

For that matter, I didn't see his conception either.

Shit.

Fuck this show.
 
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