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[brandonh83]

Thats a bit of a change of heart.

I swear you loved season 1

I did love season 1. It was just never my favorite. With the exception of season 5 and some of season 3, I felt the show got better as it went.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I thought seasons 4 and 6 were way better than 1, 2 and 3. IMO season 4 had the best pacing and one of the most thrilling finales, and the last season, I found it to have the most depth and emotion.

Season 5 was underwhelming though. A few standout moments, but by far the worst season.

1 is still my least favorite Season, with 6 close. 1 is just so humdrum in retrospect. Once you know that Locke can walk, etc, it doesn't get good until Numbers. And Numbers is far, far in there.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

1 is still my least favorite Season, with 6 close. 1 is just so humdrum in retrospect. Once you know that Locke can walk, etc, it doesn't get good until Numbers. And Numbers is far, far in there.

The first 11 episodes of season 1 are really good.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

The first 11 episodes of season 1 are really good.

The following 95 episodes are way better.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

The following 95 episodes are way better.

White Rabbit
The Moth
Confidence Man
Solitary
Raised by Another
ATBCHDI

Cmon!

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

White Rabbit
The Moth
Confidence Man
Solitary
Raised by Another
ATBCHDI

Cmon!

Sorry, I'm listening to Hurley and Miles explain the entire series in microcosm in the context of an Empire Strikes Back rewrite. Can't really hear you.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Sorry, I'm listening to Hurley and Miles explain the entire series in microcosm in the context of an Empire Strikes Back rewrite. Can't really hear you.

Some like it hoth is great too!

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Some like it hoth is great too!

I'm not saying S1 is bad. It's just not as good as the rest of the series.

 

[tycoonheart]

I happen to think S1 is heads and tails above the rest.

For me it goes like this:

S1>S2>S4>S5>S3>>>>>>>>S6

 

[Drealmcc0y]

I happen to think S1 is heads and tails above the rest.

For me it goes like this:

S1>S2>S4>S5>S3>>>>>>>>S6

Done a rewatch?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Done a rewatch?

My rewatch is what's killing S1 for me. It's one big Season of WHEN ARE THEY GONNA GET TO THE FIREWORKS FACTORY and the Fireworks Factory is all the cool amazing shit in the rest show.

 

[WillyFive]

For me, it went more like this:

1. 2nd half of S3
2. S4
3. S6
4. S5
5. S1
6. S2
7. 1st half of S3

 

[Erigu]

What an interesting quote from season 3
[snip]

You're not seriously implying that's evidence they already knew how the show would end with the "heart of the island" business, are you?
They're talking about the Swan station, there. That was the explanation for the Swan station. The one that went "boom" (or was it "moob"?) the previous season. That's not evidence of any kind of plan or foresight.

Cuse and Lindelof strongly dispute a contention they sometimes hear: that they are making up the series as they go along. They say mysteries and answers were part of a show "bible" devised early on. There are explanations for the monster, the polar bear, the hatch in the ground, the French woman and the island itself.

Do you actually believe they knew who the monster was?
Hell, do you actually believe they knew the monster was a "who"?

Damon Lindelof: I think that there are bits and pieces that someone could put together. Recently Carlton and I put out to the Yahoo community all over the world, what do you think the monster is? And some people came alarmingly close to what its origins were, how it functions, what its purpose is

Well, there you go: does it sound like he has the Man in Black in mind, there?
And I don't see how people could have gotten "alarmingly close to what its origins were" either, for that matter... Unless the monster was indeed supposed to be some kind of "defense mechanism" in the showrunners' minds at the time, naturally. Remember the "Cerberus vents"?

At the end of the day, all that matters is the story itself. If you feel satisfied by it, it shouldn't matter whether we had it planned from Day 1 or whether we made it up as we went along.

One could still consider them blatantly lying to their audience about their writing process in interviews and such tantamount to a scam, but yeah, it wouldn't be sooo bad if the show still made sense at the end of the day.
It was a laughable mess.

IMO season 4 had the best pacing and one of the most thrilling finales

You could tell they actually had a bit of an overall plan for season 4. After the flashforward of the season 3 finale, they had to get some of the characters off the island: cop-outs were not an option. And that meant working harder than usual.
It was weird. And didn't last.

 

[tycoonheart]

For me, it went more like this:

1. 2nd half of S3
2. S4
3. S6
4. S5
5. S1
6. S2
7. 1st half of S3

lol @ splitting S3. Man, the first half was so brutal. Because of it, I had to push that season towards the end of my list.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

lol @ splitting S3. Man, the first half was so brutal. Because of it, I had to push that season towards the end of my list.

"I Do" is one of my favorite episodes of the series.

 

[WillyFive]

lol @ splitting S3. Man, the first half was so brutal. Because of it, I had to push that season towards the end of my list.

Yeah, the first half of Season 3 was absolutely terrible. But the second half of S3 has the most continued streak of awesome the show had up till that point.

 

[tycoonheart]

"I Do" is one of my favorite episodes of the series.

Its a fantastic episode, no doubt. Jack was already my favorite character on the show, that episode just put it over the top. Uber badassery from him. Still, the first half as a whole is horrible and the plot barely moved. I kinda came close to giving up on the show at that point.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Its a fantastic episode, no doubt. Jack was already my favorite character on the show, that episode just put it over the top. Uber badassery from him. Still, the first half as a whole is horrible and the plot barely moved.

Not to mention the turning point for Kate's character arc. And Juliet just illing.

So great.

 

[Catalix]

I appreciate S1 for it's technical consistency (writing, acting, tone) and how unbelievably approachable it all is. The pacing in which character revelations are doled out is near perfect. Individual scenes are given more room to breath, allowing for more grounded and playful character interactions, like these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn5ELAQnL4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHOkThJFkE0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uY7j9v7MUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuoSMaQhLV0

Of course, scenes like these still occur in later seasons, but with less frequency, and with a slightly altered vibe. Also back then, Giacchiano's score was less hyperactive, less intrusive.

It's not as bombastic as the later seasons but everything is just so goddam solid. I tend to respect that a lot more it seems.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

The first half of season 3 is pretty good actually.

y'all need to go back and rewatch

 

[Catalix]

The first half of season 3 is pretty good actually.

y'all need to go back and rewatch

for real tho.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

except the tattoo episode that still blows lol

 

[oatmeal]

Erigu is Jack and dreal is Locke

:lol

I was thinking about this as I was reading their back and forth.

Dreal (and a lot of us) accept certain things about the show, while Erigu is looking for EVIDENCE or FACT or anything like that to believe.

We spent the good part of this page arguing over a big foot and its importance to the overall series.

He just finds it very hard to believe.

 

[Catalix]

except the tattoo episode that still blows lol

It's a shame this awesome ending montage (featuring Oceans Apart) had to be attached to such dreck.

Bai Ling is a health hazard.

 

[Erigu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn5ELAQnL4U

Before Jack became one of the most annoying "skeptic"-type characters on television...
When Locke asks him to consider the possibility it wasn't a hallucination, does he just shut him off and boom that it is "ridiculous!!"? Nope: "then we're in a lot of trouble *nervous laugh*".

And Locke says he's not "a big believer in magic", too...
You can tell that was long before he'd decide to build a freaking sweat lodge to ask the island's spirits what to do (the answer being "hey, how about checking out on those other guys who were with you in the station when you blew it up like an idiot?" ... man, you really needed a sweat lodge to tell you that, you asshat?).

It's sad how quickly those characters devolved into stupid caricatures... Ugh, that "man of science" / "man of faith" thing, I swear...

Anyway, episode written by Christian Taylor, who apparently left the series mid-season 1...

He just finds it very hard to believe.

Considering the mess, yeah, you could say that.

 

[WillyFive]

We need more Lost.

Can't they do like what others did with Star Trek and Avatar, make a sequel show?

Just keep it going.

 

[Erigu]

We need more Lost.

We need more sanity.

 

[WillyFive]

We need more sanity.

We?

 

[oatmeal]

Considering the mess, yeah, you could say that.

I wish you could just...talk to people.

 

[Catalix]

Before Jack became one of the most annoying "skeptic"-type characters on television...
When Locke asks him to consider the possibility it wasn't a hallucination, does he just shut him off and boom that it is "ridiculous!!"? Nope: "then we're in a lot of trouble *nervous laugh*".

And Locke says he's not "a big believer in magic", too...
You can tell that was long before he'd decide to build a freaking sweat lodge to ask the island's spirits what to do (the answer being "hey, how about checking out on those other guys who were with you in the station when you blew it up like an idiot?" ... man, you really needed a sweat lodge to tell you that, you asshat?).

It's sad how quickly those characters devolved into stupid caricatures... Ugh, that "man of science" / "man of faith" thing, I swear...

Anyway, episode written by Christian Taylor, who apparently left the series mid-season 1...

All good points. Gets to the heart of my gripe. It's a relatively natural and balanced exchange in that scene. They're people first, thematic tent poles second.

As opposed to this, probably Jack/Matthew Fox at his most unreasonable extreme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3jkyp5QLa4&feature=related
What's with the hostility, you maniac lol

 

[TripOpt55]

I'm not even sure which my favorite season is. I think I need to do a full rewatch to know and I haven't done that since it ended. I am pretty sure Season 5 is my least favorite though. I just didn't enjoy the 70's stuff as much as some others I guess. I do love The Incident though and the season as whole still isn't bad. Just my least favorite Lost season I guess.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

All good points. Gets to the heart of my gripe. It's a relatively natural and balanced exchange in that scene. They're people first, thematic tent poles second.

As opposed to this, probably Jack/Matthew Fox at his most unreasonable extreme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3jkyp5QLa4&feature=related
What's with the hostility, you maniac lol

The fractionally bit that this sped up makes it INCREDIBLE.

 

[Erigu]

As opposed to this, probably Jack/Matthew Fox at his most unreasonable extreme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3jkyp5QLa4&feature=related
What's with the hostility, you maniac lol

Yep, the character was already gone at that point...

 

[Catalix]

The fractionally bit that this sped up makes it INCREDIBLE.

It really does take it to a whole new level :lol

 

[Solo]

Final rankings, 1 year later:

S1 > S3 > S4 > S2 > S6 > S5


Bolded are hot shit.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

You're not seriously implying that's evidence they already knew how the show would end with the "heart of the island" business, are you?
They're talking about the Swan station, there. That was the explanation for the Swan station. The one that went "boom" (or was it "moob"?) the previous season. That's not evidence of any kind of plan or foresight.



Do you actually believe they knew who the monster was?
Hell, do you actually believe they knew the monster was a "who"?

Well, there you go: does it sound like he has the Man in Black in mind, there?
And I don't see how people could have gotten "alarmingly close to what its origins were" either, for that matter... Unless the monster was indeed supposed to be some kind of "defense mechanism" in the showrunners' minds at the time, naturally. Remember the "Cerberus vents"?


One could still consider them blatantly lying to their audience about their writing process in interviews and such tantamount to a scam, but yeah, it wouldn't be sooo bad if the show still made sense at the end of the day.
It was a laughable mess.



You could tell they actually had a bit of an overall plan for season 4. After the flashforward of the season 3 finale, they had to get some of the characters off the island: cop-outs were not an option. And that meant working harder than usual.
It was weird. And didn't last.

DUDE! he can't fucking reveal everything in one interview, where is the incentive in watching the show if the damn creator of the show is going to reveal all in one interview!!! HE IS PARSING HIS WORDS SO AS TO NOT GIVE ANYTHING AWAY!! stop being so dense!!!

 

[Erigu]

DUDE! he can't fucking reveal everything in one interview

*massages temples*
I'm really glad you're here to tell me that, man. That thought never occurred to me, naturally.

 

[Blader]

I like Lost.

 

[oatmeal]

*massages temples*
I'm really glad you're here to tell me that, man. That thought never occurred to me, naturally.

Were you ACTUALLY massaging your temples there, or did you just type that to come off as a smug asshole?

 

[Dany]

Season 1
Season 3
Season 4
Season 6
Season 5
Season 2

I am not saying season 2 was horseshit but it was the least in moving the story forward

 

[Erigu]

Were you ACTUALLY massaging your temples there, or did you just type that to come off as a smug asshole?

Can't express exasperation without being a smug asshole?
(that being said, I was also massaging my temples... fascinating, huh?)

 

[Angry Fork]

I kind of put Lost in a strange order. I feel like Lost is from Season 2-5, but season 1 is the prologue and season 6 the epilogue (obviously). Even though season 1 obviously introduces a lot of stuff I feel like Lost = the mythology rather than the characters, so I actually enjoy Season 2 a lot because it introduces all the cool dharma stuff.

It's hard to say my favorite season but it's probably season 3 because of how much jungle stuff there is (which I love most about the show, when a group of characters come together and go out on a mission to do something). Season 1 is obviously mostly jungle also but you have to deal with the flashbacks of shitty people I don't care about like Shannon. My favorite character/episode is desmond/the constant though. It's hard for me to rank which seasons are better because all of them have their pro's and con's. I know season 5 and 6 are the last 2 for me though. Season 1-4 I love equally. I liked season 5 and 6 also but I can't re-watch them as much.

I still miss the show. I hope one day we get something as amazing as it was again. Even if a new show doesn't have any answers or whatever, the episode-to-episode mind blowing stuff Lost had on a regular basis just can't seem to be matched by any other show for me in terms of fandom and "OMFG" reactions.

 

[Dez]

Lost was a consistently great show.

S1 > S3 > S4 > S2 > S6 > S5

That is clear. Still, the whole thing was an amazing great ride and I can only hope that we'll see another tv series that has me as emotionally attached... and The End is one of the best eps in the series along with Walkabout, The Constant, and Through the Looking Glass.

 

[Catalix]

I like Lost.

You're the best thing that ever happened to Jacob.

 

[brandonh83]

lol, might be the only person alive who thinks the last season is the best.

 

[Treefingers]

Season 1 = Season 2 = Season 3 = Season 4 = Season 5 = Season 6

I love them all :3

 

[Catalix]

lol, might be the only person alive who thinks the last season is the best.

I think mcc0y considers S6 top tier, along with S1 and 3.

S6 enthusiasts should come out the woodwork more. Represent!

.... anyone?

 

[Calcaneus]

I can't imagine finding S6 better than 1 - 4. Those seasons made the show. You can make an argument about season 2 meandering, but it had the hatch. That's all it needs.

 

[hamchan]

Rankings time?

4 > 1 > 3 > 2 > 5 > 6

When I think back on it I really hate season 6. I hate it quite a lot.

 

[TheExodu5]

How about Ben's character? Early on in the series we're shown that he's somewhat of a bigwig on the Island, someone who might have answers and might know what the fuck is going on. By the end of the series we're told he didn't know shit. He was essentially Jacob's puppet.

And then we found out that neither Jacob nor MiB knew shit either. No one on the island knew anything at all.