It really wouldn't feel right to me if I wasn't in the running for lynch on D1
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kitsunelaine
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It's also why I avoid commenting and kind of skim the posts. There's not really a lot for me to care about in a lot of the early game analysis so my eyes kind of glaze over.
kitsunelaine
Banned
Sometimes that's just how shit happens.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Alright, I'm now back in my little hidey-hole, and I promised I'd do some reads on Orb. Obviously I still feel like Kitsune is shady, but we've all established that by now, so I'm going to move on for the time being.
I did a quick search of Orb's posts...and there's next to nothing there. Like, he's got a few posts, but nothing in terms of worthwhile content that contribute positively to the discussion. There's a difference between being completely MIA, like Nin, and being around and in the game, and coasting. Obviously the latter applies to Orb in this instance.
The focus of my reads on him deal with a central theme: a non-committal attitude. It's a core component of many scum plays and attitudes. They tend to leave themselves available to playing both sides of the fence, and hardly take any strong stances either way in fear of being "on the wrong side". Unless, of course, they know they can swing shit in their favor, but I've seen people playing up the newbie card or the "I don't know, I don't want to get anyone in trouble!" time and time again, both when I play scum, and when I don't.
See, this would be fine on it's own. Gut reads are fine, and I don't necessarily think they're bad. But then he follows up with this:
He's reluctant to share the details of his gut read, which tells me that, again, he's playing at sitting on both sides of the fence.
Other telling posts:
I feel like if he was town, he would take a side either way. The goal of scum is self-preservation, which is why I went after Kitsune earlier. He's not taking hard stances because he's preparing for the possibility of having to defend himself later on. And the less opinions he gives, the less evidence town will have on him.
It's fine to be secure in your opinions, even if they turn out to be wrong. I don't like how he claims to be playing carefully in the best interests of town. That's not necessarily how things work, or how they should work, in my opinion.
Goes after the low-hanging fruit of StarFish, who at the time, hadn't really said anything of note.
No one is suspicious to him because he, again, doesn't want to be on the wrong side of history and doesn't want to wrongfully accuse someone because he probably knows who the actual scum team is. Tbh.
Also I don't like how he plays into the newbie thing again.
Again, not committing to one side.
None of this is giving me good vibes; honestly I don't buy into the whole "Oh he's new, give him a break" shit. If I think you're scummy, and you're playing like scum, I'm gonna vote for you.
Vote: Orb
As an aside, I don't like how quickly he was to jump to my defense, when even I will admit I did some pretty shady shit (I still stand by it, but I know when I'm being scummy). This, again, makes me feel like he's trying to appease town and will be on the winning side if and when I flip.
I will look into his partner, TWE, later.
I did a quick search of Orb's posts...and there's next to nothing there. Like, he's got a few posts, but nothing in terms of worthwhile content that contribute positively to the discussion. There's a difference between being completely MIA, like Nin, and being around and in the game, and coasting. Obviously the latter applies to Orb in this instance.
The focus of my reads on him deal with a central theme: a non-committal attitude. It's a core component of many scum plays and attitudes. They tend to leave themselves available to playing both sides of the fence, and hardly take any strong stances either way in fear of being "on the wrong side". Unless, of course, they know they can swing shit in their favor, but I've seen people playing up the newbie card or the "I don't know, I don't want to get anyone in trouble!" time and time again, both when I play scum, and when I don't.
See, this would be fine on it's own. Gut reads are fine, and I don't necessarily think they're bad. But then he follows up with this:
He's reluctant to share the details of his gut read, which tells me that, again, he's playing at sitting on both sides of the fence.
Other telling posts:
I feel like if he was town, he would take a side either way. The goal of scum is self-preservation, which is why I went after Kitsune earlier. He's not taking hard stances because he's preparing for the possibility of having to defend himself later on. And the less opinions he gives, the less evidence town will have on him.
It's fine to be secure in your opinions, even if they turn out to be wrong. I don't like how he claims to be playing carefully in the best interests of town. That's not necessarily how things work, or how they should work, in my opinion.
Goes after the low-hanging fruit of StarFish, who at the time, hadn't really said anything of note.
No one is suspicious to him because he, again, doesn't want to be on the wrong side of history and doesn't want to wrongfully accuse someone because he probably knows who the actual scum team is. Tbh.
Also I don't like how he plays into the newbie thing again.
Again, not committing to one side.
None of this is giving me good vibes; honestly I don't buy into the whole "Oh he's new, give him a break" shit. If I think you're scummy, and you're playing like scum, I'm gonna vote for you.
Vote: Orb
As an aside, I don't like how quickly he was to jump to my defense, when even I will admit I did some pretty shady shit (I still stand by it, but I know when I'm being scummy). This, again, makes me feel like he's trying to appease town and will be on the winning side if and when I flip.
I will look into his partner, TWE, later.
flatearthpandas
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Tuned me won't
Rubbed me wrong
I should start using my keyboard.
Also, what a coincidence in timing here all around.
Rubbed me wrong
I should start using my keyboard.
Also, what a coincidence in timing here all around.
Man, you are trying so hard to put them back on the table aren't you?
No shit
I'm aware that it's weird but that whole post was weird.
#scummoning
Also, make it more obvious with the stream of garbage posts afterwards.
I wasn't talking about your vote, I was talking about Ouro's.
Here is him saying it was a poke vote:
I find it weird that both of your votes are on the same player when Ouro said that his vote was a poke. Your vote has an justification behind, his didn't. If he was just joking/poking it would make sense to move it after his partner made the same vote. Why keep it if he didn't had a serious motive to do it?
All this would be solved if Ouro gives the reasons of his vote but he seems to be interested in avoiding any subject.
Ok well for now I'm comfortable giving Ouro a strong null read.
The side eye thing was certainly preemptive but I'm not sure what was confusing. On the same page he explained what he meant by the statement, which that he thought if Fireblend flipped scum, he'd give a huge side of an eye towards anyone who might try in the future to connect scumblend with the Ourokitty. I assume because of Ouro's early positive read of Fireblend. Now people are free to disagree with the idea, but I personally didn't find it confusing.
The rest is just Ouro sass, which I've seen before, but obviously I'm biased aren't I? I am his boatroommate.
I will try to post another thought before I sleep.
Actually that time you went hard on Verelios on D2 after he tried to get you lynched when you weren't around at days end. But before that you at least tried some scum hunting. I feel the complete opposite now.
1. Fran you literally quoted my reasoning in your previous post
2. I'm paying attention. D1 in OW was a special case cause I got lucky with my gut. I'm still scumhunting but D1 isn't usually useful to me until D2.
flatearthpandas
Member
My reads so far. Realizing they're pretty sad. No particular order
Leaning town:
5. [m] TsuXna & [m] Royal_Flush - royal pulling all the weight but good contributions imo. Of course I've only played against scum total once and it was a Christmas miracle we caught him
1. [m] Muffin1611 & [f] Samuraischnecke - i did notice Sam's readlist and found it a decent effort, while muffin has been putting in solid work today. Feel good about you two overall
8. [m] Trigger & [m] Ty4on - ty pulling the weight here but haven't been triggered by his partner
6. [m] franconp & [m] Dr. Worm - i Thought Fran has doing pretty well yesterday while i like worm today. Adds up to a good team for me
Null:
15. [-] Darryl & [m] nin1000 - liking Darryl but not much there
3. [m] Fat4all & [m] Sorian - i feel like i can't even remember anything fat has said but sorian has been decent
14. [f] StarSketch & [m] SexyFish - nothing much. 65% null
13. [m] Orb & [m] TheWorthyEdge - need to look reread both
11. [m] Verelios & [f] WhereAreMahDragonz - i like vere okay and don't particularly like it dislike dragonz. Will look into the orb angle next. Actually, i like that dragonz is bringing up new shit. This may be my towniest null
2. [m] TheExodu5 & [m] Fireblend - fire i liked more early on but don't dislike now. Nothing on exo.
4. [m] CrimsonFist & [f] Sophia - this is the team i worry about the most, but not necessarily that i find scummy. I wish i had better reads on Sophia, but crimson has been okay
7. [m] Xbro & [m] Karkador - not much. Want more from kark still
Leaning scum:
12. [m] Ourobolus & [m] kingkitty - ouro is purposefully vague and unhelpful. Kitty is perpetually promising opinions that never seen to materialize. I wish either one could manufacture some solid opinions
10. [m] Natiko & [m] Nomadic Sparks - natiko is solid. Nomad is all over. I feel like natiko is reigning his partner in a bit. I was criticized for not going to bar for kits but whatever opinions she earned from her exchange, she earned. I know she's town and don't mind her proving it without me swooping in. I'd like to see nomad fend for himself a bit.
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Leaning town:
5. [m] TsuXna & [m] Royal_Flush - royal pulling all the weight but good contributions imo. Of course I've only played against scum total once and it was a Christmas miracle we caught him
1. [m] Muffin1611 & [f] Samuraischnecke - i did notice Sam's readlist and found it a decent effort, while muffin has been putting in solid work today. Feel good about you two overall
8. [m] Trigger & [m] Ty4on - ty pulling the weight here but haven't been triggered by his partner
6. [m] franconp & [m] Dr. Worm - i Thought Fran has doing pretty well yesterday while i like worm today. Adds up to a good team for me
Null:
15. [-] Darryl & [m] nin1000 - liking Darryl but not much there
3. [m] Fat4all & [m] Sorian - i feel like i can't even remember anything fat has said but sorian has been decent
14. [f] StarSketch & [m] SexyFish - nothing much. 65% null
13. [m] Orb & [m] TheWorthyEdge - need to look reread both
11. [m] Verelios & [f] WhereAreMahDragonz - i like vere okay and don't particularly like it dislike dragonz. Will look into the orb angle next. Actually, i like that dragonz is bringing up new shit. This may be my towniest null
2. [m] TheExodu5 & [m] Fireblend - fire i liked more early on but don't dislike now. Nothing on exo.
4. [m] CrimsonFist & [f] Sophia - this is the team i worry about the most, but not necessarily that i find scummy. I wish i had better reads on Sophia, but crimson has been okay
7. [m] Xbro & [m] Karkador - not much. Want more from kark still
Leaning scum:
12. [m] Ourobolus & [m] kingkitty - ouro is purposefully vague and unhelpful. Kitty is perpetually promising opinions that never seen to materialize. I wish either one could manufacture some solid opinions
10. [m] Natiko & [m] Nomadic Sparks - natiko is solid. Nomad is all over. I feel like natiko is reigning his partner in a bit. I was criticized for not going to bar for kits but whatever opinions she earned from her exchange, she earned. I know she's town and don't mind her proving it without me swooping in. I'd like to see nomad fend for himself a bit.
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flatearthpandas
Member
Actually, i guess kitty is just slipping under my radar for some reason. Just read through. I'm going to leave him and ouro where they're at, but slight points for kitty
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Not allowed
FINE
Lean Town:
9. [f] kitsunelaine & [m] flatearthpandas
- FEP has been pretty good so far, posting some reads (just now) and while not available that much, his posts have some effort behind them.
11. [m] Verelios & [f] WhereAreMahDragonz
- WAMD and kitsune got into it earlier, but I'm not seeing a manufacted argument this early in the game. Points for Verelios being generally level-headed.
2. [m] TheExodu5 & [m] Fireblend
- Exodu5 is a whole lotta nothin', but Fireblend has put in some decent work, asking questions that I think are at least somewhat useful.
Null:
13. [m] Orb & [m] TheWorthyEdge
- I'll admit I need to take a look a bit closer at these two, but from what I remember it's mostly fluff.
14. [f] StarSketch & [m] SexyFish
- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
15. [-] Darryl & [m] nin1000
- nin is away and Darryl has made all of what, two posts?
8. [m] Trigger & [m] Ty4on
- I do like Ty, but I also have trouble reading him. Trigger was here for a moment and seemed to put forth some decent questions, but I can't put them as lean town just yet, due to Ty.
5. [m] TsuXna & [m] Royal_Flush
- TsuXna is absent though I believe they have exams or something right now (according to his chats in Discord). Flush puts up decent material in his partner's absence though.
10. [m] Natiko & [m] Nomadic Sparks
- Nomad is flailing, and Natiko is picking up the slack. Nothing really stands out though.
6. [m] franconp & [m] Dr. Worm
- fran is all up my ass again and is wrong yet again. Has good intentions, but is way off base. Worm is confused.
Lean Scum:
7. [m] Xbro & [m] Karkador
- Whole lotta nothing from these guys, and I'd at least expect Kark to put forth some effort, or at least a ridiculous gambit or shitposting
4. [m] CrimsonFist & [f] Sophia
- Something is off here. Like I said before, early on they went hard throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. They've since toned it down after myself and others noticed it...
1. [m] Muffin1611 & [f] Samuraischnecke
- Muffin has some...odd posts here and there, that others have pointed out. However, I'm less inclined to believe that BOTH Crimsophistia and these guys are scum. Still possible, but some of the back-and-forth they've had makes me think otherwise. Either way, they'll both sit in "lean scum" for the time being.
3. [m] Fat4all & [m] Sorian
- Sorian's not alignment indicative and Fat has been quiet (though both claim to be busy, which, ok, fine, no issues with that). Sorian's super-aggressive, which as town can be somewhat good, but as scum can be pretty damaging to town.
Lean Town:
9. [f] kitsunelaine & [m] flatearthpandas
- FEP has been pretty good so far, posting some reads (just now) and while not available that much, his posts have some effort behind them.
11. [m] Verelios & [f] WhereAreMahDragonz
- WAMD and kitsune got into it earlier, but I'm not seeing a manufacted argument this early in the game. Points for Verelios being generally level-headed.
2. [m] TheExodu5 & [m] Fireblend
- Exodu5 is a whole lotta nothin', but Fireblend has put in some decent work, asking questions that I think are at least somewhat useful.
Null:
13. [m] Orb & [m] TheWorthyEdge
- I'll admit I need to take a look a bit closer at these two, but from what I remember it's mostly fluff.
14. [f] StarSketch & [m] SexyFish
- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
15. [-] Darryl & [m] nin1000
- nin is away and Darryl has made all of what, two posts?
8. [m] Trigger & [m] Ty4on
- I do like Ty, but I also have trouble reading him. Trigger was here for a moment and seemed to put forth some decent questions, but I can't put them as lean town just yet, due to Ty.
5. [m] TsuXna & [m] Royal_Flush
- TsuXna is absent though I believe they have exams or something right now (according to his chats in Discord). Flush puts up decent material in his partner's absence though.
10. [m] Natiko & [m] Nomadic Sparks
- Nomad is flailing, and Natiko is picking up the slack. Nothing really stands out though.
6. [m] franconp & [m] Dr. Worm
- fran is all up my ass again and is wrong yet again. Has good intentions, but is way off base. Worm is confused.
Lean Scum:
7. [m] Xbro & [m] Karkador
- Whole lotta nothing from these guys, and I'd at least expect Kark to put forth some effort, or at least a ridiculous gambit or shitposting
4. [m] CrimsonFist & [f] Sophia
- Something is off here. Like I said before, early on they went hard throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. They've since toned it down after myself and others noticed it...
1. [m] Muffin1611 & [f] Samuraischnecke
- Muffin has some...odd posts here and there, that others have pointed out. However, I'm less inclined to believe that BOTH Crimsophistia and these guys are scum. Still possible, but some of the back-and-forth they've had makes me think otherwise. Either way, they'll both sit in "lean scum" for the time being.
3. [m] Fat4all & [m] Sorian
- Sorian's not alignment indicative and Fat has been quiet (though both claim to be busy, which, ok, fine, no issues with that). Sorian's super-aggressive, which as town can be somewhat good, but as scum can be pretty damaging to town.
Can you point it to me because I don't see it. I don't think either joke, poke or "having them in your radar" are justification enought to pile votes.
Pile? It was two votes, and we both had our own reasoning.
I would feel better about this post if your lover gave you a heads up or something...but I frown upon time-stamping so I'll believe that you weren't camping the thread.
Maybe I expressed myself badly. It's more proper to say "stacked". My bad.
And your reasons is what I'm failing to see. I can understand KK's but I still don't understand why you are keeping your vote.
Because since then I've seen behavior that warrants me keeping it there? How is that that difficult to grasp
two is all you need for an Ouro Pile
don't kinkshame me
For example?
This is what I mean when I say you aren't scumhunting. This is a good opportunity to start a discussion on someone who you find scummy but you aren't making a case about it.
Yeah, I'm not going to repeat myself for the fiftieth time. Just go read Crimson/Sophia's posts after I voted for a little bit. If you don't see it, then that's fine, you can have a different read than I do.
meh I lied! going to brush my teeth. But tomorrow I plan to have my own dank read list sometime after work.
I do want to reiterate just in case some of my posts have been skimmed passed that Typhoon should be thrown into a volcano. He should be melted like Arnold in Terminator 2. The retroactive reasoning to his buttposts in a way to make it seem a bit more townie is too weird to ignore (at least for me). If Ty4on was scum, he might have wanted to create a bit more sense of activity at the early goings, but faced with confrontation over some of buttposts decides to try to spin it into a favorable position.
What are other people's thoughts about it? Not weird at all? Pretty weird? Somewhere in the middle?
I hate not having much of value to say, but hopefully after the game gets really going I can offer more than "being vaguely suspicious of other people"
I can't believe I'm defending Ouro's vote on me, but even I see what he's talking about. I started off with some very passive aggressive play. But this hardly has anything to do with "toning it down", and simply trying to poke for early day 1 discussion. Which Crimson noted, I might add.
All I can really say to defend myself is im probably garbage at this, especially at trying to keep up with/catch up on arguments(and try to read each person's actions).
That being said, reading it over again, Fran does have a point too. Most of the actual observations were made by Verelios, which Ouro just jumped on.
Anything that sticks out to you rn?
Like, anything. I'm not looking for a specific topic/pair
He was the first to actually vocalize it (I was going to let you guys run with it for a while longer to see if it would keep up), I just chimed in after he did so.
Can I get some examples so it's not just generalities?
Anything that sticks out to you rn?
Like, anything. I'm not looking for a specific topic/pair
Kind of brain dead right now, apologizes.
I did notice earlier that Royal's list of weeding out coasters had a whopping 13 players on it. Even when you take out the three people who are basically MIA, that's still 1/3rd of the entire game. It's making me wonder where exactly scum is at relative to the town. Unfortunately I haven't made much progress on that train of thought.
The point is, I award you no (townie) points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Also it's pretty easy to say stuff like "Oh I was gonna let you run with it" after the fact.I do feel slightly better about Verelios tho.
Ty is slightly leaning scum to me primarily because he's not being particularly insightful which is what I expect from town Ty. Don't think I've ever played with scum Ty but from his own words he's usually not sure how to best approach the game which matches up more with what I've seen so far. It's early yet though so he's not at the top of my list.
Yeah. Low activity players also get more of a pass with a reasonably active partner, but it's still useful to get a more rounded read.
I don't have that much either, but I wanna make a town circle.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245146654&postcount=305
full context is on page 7
nap time
What is the ? directed to?
I played with scum Ty4on in Danny Phantom, and his style there was kind of spreading himself thin trying to appear as a helpful townie. Thing is, he was pretty damn good at it. That being said, I also don't expect scum Ty4on to play the same way twice.
He's a neutral read for me right now. Ty4on has a lot of posts, so going through them is difficult. Also I hate the fact that his partner has very few posts in the thread right now, because I can't simply look to the other partner for a read like I can other more active pairs.
That way I didn't have to make any reads ;_;
You played with me in Overwatch too I think?
I did. I don't remember that one as clearly tho.
I don't know what a town circle is or why we'd want to make one
Basically get a group of townies to townread each other then work together to find scum.
I don't feel like I'm really having strong enough town reads for that ATM, but Crimson and Sophia seem the closest.
Oh, that. Yeah, such an odd thing to do especially when he could've just owned up to the shit posting.
Kinda weird move there Ty.
I write like that. If you throw them away you're missing some of my thoughts.
A lot of them are just reactionary stuff for fun, but there are some thoughts behind some of them. I'll never really write the opposite of what I think unless I'm being totally sarcastic for whatever reason.