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Love Boat 2 [Mafia] |OT| Electric Boogalove

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StarSketch

Banned
CrimsonFist said:
65%? Normally scum is about 20% of the players.
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No I meant like

"Making that comment likely means he's hiding something so that ="

30-something percent chance neutral

30-percent chance scum

30% chance Town pr

10% Vanilla

whatever I ended up talking out my ass again
 
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Verelios

Member
Dr. Worm said:
how does he know in advance that he's going to be tied to Fireblend, as opposed to being tied to, I dunno, anyone else
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Which is why it's a shit defense. I always call it out if they seem to go unnoticed.
Ourobolus said:
You really haven't been following along

I "town"-read Fireblend and pretty much got dogpiled on for my read. There are quite a few posts about it.
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Not going to police your reads, but Fire wasn't very convincing day start.
 
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Verelios

Member
StarSketch said:
No I meant like

"Making that comment likely means he's hiding something so that ="

30-something percent chance neutral

30-percent chance scum

30% chance Town pr

10% Vanilla

whatever I ended up talking out my ass again
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What

No...what

Do you have any other thoughts on the game currently?
 
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Dr. Worm

Banned
CrimsonFist said:
Reading through everything, biggest standout would be Ouro's town read on Fire and Exodu5. Fire's posting picked up around that time although a lot moreso after that read, but I've been leaning slightly towards scum on Exodu5 for a while.

Don't think I've seen anything from Kitsune still outside of defending from Dragonz.

Trigger and Sexyfish both mia, Sexy is new and I don't think that's too atypical of Trigger, but showing up, saying that they're reading the thread and then disappearing again isn't great. Star mentioned that Sexyfish isn't posting in their private chat either, is the same true of Trigger Ty4on?
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Ty4on said:
We may get some Trigger posts...

What do you make of Ouro's read of Fire tho? I'm struck that I don't really understand it so I wanna go back and see if I can find the reason he might've thought that way. He didn't state it was a strong read, but it was in his top two.
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is this the dogpile?
 
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Sophia

Member
Verelios said:
Hmmmm, so your read on Sorian is neutral or town PR? Then what about Fat?
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Neutral on Sorian. I was reading back through the Kitsune/Dragonz stuff as I remember Sorian had a lot to say, but nothing particularly stuck out at the moment. Still going through it tho.

As for Fat, I'm a bit more negative. I've looked over Fat's posts up to #636, and there wasn't a whole lot of good stuff. Lots of shitposting, but more then that he's tackled very easy subjects. For example:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245130294&postcount=154 - Reply on Ouro early on
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245136321&postcount=207 - Nomadic's no lynch
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245142618&postcount=278 - Nin's post on about how people view pairings.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245159076&postcount=345 - Comments on Kitsunelaine's self-preservation
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245235165&postcount=516 - More on Nomadic and his no lynch
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245240196&postcount=555 - A read on the "PLEASE NOTICE ME SENPAI" post
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245242422&postcount=579 - Asks for Fireblend about Dragonz/Kitsune...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245250273&postcount=616 - Comes back with a small followup.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245252514&postcount=636 - Some small talk about lovers chat.

Lot of shitposting in between those too

I need to go over his newer posts, but up until there he's been pretty passive and not tackling hard subjects. Not a whole lot of hard stances.

My partner feels confident about it, and I haven't seen anything that makes me object to his vote right now, so...
 
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Sorian

Banned
Ourobolus said:
Every game I get called out for being "defensive," yet every game people are saying I'm "strangely defensive."

You'd think it would be old hat by now.
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Play like shit, get votes. Mafia isn't really a hard game to understand. It's clear something is up here with your awkward play.

Fireblend said:
I've been thinking that he's been curiously non-engaged with the current discussion, specially since he was around last page and chose to continue talking about the WAMD-Kitsune thing instead, except for a quick mention of Ouro when announcing he was going to sleep.

I can already tell he's going to say he didn't think it was worth commenting on because it was uninteresting or something, but I did expect him to chime in at some point. I don't know if what he's done qualifies as avoidance for me though. I'm waiting for him to come back and see if he's planning to follow up that thought before making up my mind.
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You mean the page where I talked about my vote on Orb/TWE? First Ouro and now you, second time someone has pretended I'm harping on a topic that has long passed. Ouro hasn't followed consistent logic all of day 1 so far. I said as much early on (to which the excuse was effectively "but it's only been a couple hours!" and nothing has changed except for more time and garbage posts. Between the slow dog pile and him talking unpressured, he is providing enough rope on his own for me to judge him later.

Dr. Worm said:
I don't get the "manufactured" thing

at all

literally, I don't understand what it means

is it supposed to be the idea that scumchat is prescripting conversations prior to posting them?

because I don't think anything like that ever actually happens on GAF, at least from the scumchats I've perused
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No, scum never goes out of their way to say "hey, let's fight right now!" What happens is that they try to engage each other publicly so that they look like a natural set of players. Talking points turn into an argument and neither player ends up backing down because they need to overcompensate for how they think they would have acted as town. Which turns into a long string of empty back and forth, which is still what I was reading there.

StarSketch said:
Um...

I feel like we're jumping on Ouro a bit too fast here.

But then again. 65% chance of not town...
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?

If the game is at 65% scum then Burb can call it now, I've already lost.

-------

Orb, you posted a joke, what are your thoughts on my vote for your partner and by extension, you?

TWE, you've parroted other people's talking points more and either ignored or did not see my vote. Give me something fresh. Give me a reason to actually be able to read you.
 
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Sophia

Member
Er, Neutral as in I'm not leaning any particular way on Sorian. Not neutral as in I think he's a third party neutral.
 
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Dr. Worm

Banned
Sophia said:
Something about this bothers me. More so than the actual read itself. Like, it seems like you saw the criticism over your read and decided to preemptively link you two together by saying this? I don't like it. If it was actually a poor read from a town player, I'm not sure why you wouldn't just say "Yeah, in retrospect, that read was shit" and simply move on.
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I think it was this post that confused me (even though I just now managed to get to the point Sophia was at there), in that she said "your read" and I thought it was a read made by Ourobolus instead of one made on him, which made me think this was something Ourobolus had started himself

I blame Sophia for confusing me into agreeing with her
 
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Sorian

Banned
Ourobolus said:
You really haven't been following along

I "town"-read Fireblend and pretty much got dogpiled on for my read. There are quite a few posts about it.
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Right, but why does that then translate to you needing to link yourselves? Scum is rarely, if ever, going to just town read a teammate like that with no prodding or even real evidence. The reason it's scummy is because it's a bum read with no sign of logic behind it.
 
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Ourobolus

Banned
Sorian said:
Right, but why does that then translate to you needing to link yourselves? Scum is rarely, if ever, going to just town read a teammate like that with no prodding or even real evidence. The reason it's scummy is because it's a bum read with no sign of logic behind it.
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ok
 
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Sorian

Banned
Ourobolus said:
What makes you think I'm playing like shit
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I've said it twice now in the last 15 minutes (but at least one came right after this post), there is no logic to follow for any of your statements. You throw things out there with no analysis and I think you even defended it once by saying something about how KK knows the logic because lover's chat. But that's not how mafia works, the group has to be able to follow your work because 9 times of 10, scum aren't able to show work since they already had the answer before it started.
 
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Dr. Worm

Banned
but I still think that... whatever it was is weird because I didn't think the "dogpile" was notable (although I guess people read it differently when its about themselves?) enough to the point where people making assumptions about connections between Ouro and Fireblend was something that Ouro should've been concerned about, and I didn't see a good reason for him to be that jumpy about it
 
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Sorian

Banned
Dr. Worm said:
but I still think that... whatever it was is weird because I didn't think the "dogpile" was notable (although I guess people read it differently when its about themselves?) enough to the point where people making assumptions about connections between Ouro and Fireblend was something that Ouro should've been concerned about, and I didn't see a good reason for him to be that jumpy about it
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I don't think I've seen much in the way of a positive reaction to Ouro at all today and it's only 3 votes but that is actually vote leader at this stage. I think calling it a dogpile, even with the slow speed it's moving at, is fair.
 
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CrimsonFist

Member
The "dogpile" initially was me and Ty, and I was fairly clear that I didn't see it specifically as a scum tell. Then muffin jumped on too and voted Ouro, then Ouro started being defensive about it.
 
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Ourobolus

Banned
Sorian said:
I've said it twice now in the last 15 minutes (but at least one came right after this post), there is no logic to follow for any of your statements. You throw things out there with no analysis and I think you even defended it once by saying something about how KK knows the logic because lover's chat. But that's not how mafia works, the group has to be able to follow your work because 9 times of 10, scum aren't able to show work since they already had the answer before it started.
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zzzzz
 
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Muffin1611

Banned
CrimsonFist said:
The "dogpile" initially was me and Ty, and I was fairly clear that I didn't see it specifically as a scum tell.Then muffin jumped on too and voted Ouro, then Ouro started being defensive about it.
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Which I found odd, since it was awkwardly explained by him at best how he got those reads. Which prompted me to make the post I did to get a bit more reactions primarily from him.
 
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Dr. Worm

Banned
Sorian said:
I don't think I've seen much in the way of a positive reaction to Ouro at all today and it's only 3 votes but that is actually vote leader at this stage. I think calling it a dogpile, even with the slow speed it's moving at, is fair.
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Ourobolus said:
I "town"-read Fireblend and pretty much got dogpiled on for my read. There are quite a few posts about it.
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I think the "dogpile" is opinions on that read, not votes

but I don't know what I think any more
 
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YesNOnoNOYes

Member
DAY 1 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Ourobolus & kingkitty (3)
WhereAreMahDragonz 156
flatearthpandas 174 176
Sorian 194 444
flatearthpandas 619 654
Muffin1611 718
Dr. Worm 836

TsuXna & Royal_Flush (2)
Natiko 475
Nomadic Sparks 488

Fat4all & Sorian (2)
CrimsonFist 175
Darryl 659

Trigger & Ty4on (1)
CrimsonFist 71 175
kingkitty 653

Orb & TheWorthyEdge (1)
Sorian 688

StarSketch & SexyFish (1)
flatearthpandas 655

CrimsonFist & Sophia (1)
Ourobolus 115
WhereAreMahDragonz 132 156
kingkitty 265 653

Verelios & WhereAreMahDragonz (1)
flatearthpandas 176 387
kitsunelaine 385

Xbro & Karkador (1)
flatearthpandas 387 619
Ty4on 695

franconp & Dr. Worm (0): Dr. Worm 136 537, Muffin1611 178 413

kitsunelaine & flatearthpandas (0): Sorian 444 688, Ty4on 448 695

TheExodu5 & Fireblend (0): Dr. Worm 94 136, Ty4on 355 448

Muffin1611 & Samuraischnecke (0): Dr. Worm 537 836

No active vote for Day 1: Fat4all, Fireblend, franconp, Karkador, nin1000, Orb, Royal_Flush, Samuraischnecke, SexyFish, Sophia, StarSketch, TheExodu5, TheWorthyEdge, Trigger, TsuXna, Verelios, Xbro

Day 1 Postcount: CrimsonFist 42, Darryl 5, Dr. Worm 43, Fat4all 23, Fireblend 29, flatearthpandas 14, franconp 34, Karkador 9, kingkitty 10, kitsunelaine 32, Muffin1611 48, Natiko 42, nin1000 2, Nomadic Sparks 30, Orb 13, Ourobolus 75, Royal_Flush 9, Samuraischnecke 18, SexyFish 1, Sophia 52, Sorian 57, StarSketch 7, TheExodu5 2, TheWorthyEdge 11, Trigger 8, TsuXna 0, Ty4on 94, Verelios 25, WhereAreMahDragonz 60, Xbro 5


Day 1 ends:
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Automated vote tally here

16 votes for majority
 
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Sorian

Banned
Ourobolus said:
All these posts since my fireblend read are just wonderfully gripping. I'm enjoying them
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What would you like to talk about?

If no topic spring to mind, let's go for the low hanging fruit. Do you still like your vote that has been there since the very beginning of the game?
 
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Samuraischnecke

Neo Member
Just peaking in real quick:

Sorry for letting Muffin handle all the posts lately, I have a really hard time understanding what's going on. Like... With reading all the posts.
Nothing goes into my head and I can't form a real thought. Hope tomorrow is a better day and I let Muffin explain what happened or try rereading everything I missed.
I'm just confused today I think.

Nya. o/
 
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Ourobolus

Banned
Sorian said:
What would you like to talk about?

If no topic spring to mind, let's go for the low hanging fruit. Do you still like your vote that has been there since the very beginning of the game?
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How about them inactives

Shall we discard any of them

And yeah I think my vote is still valid for now
 
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Sorian

Banned
Ourobolus said:
How about them inactives

Shall we discard any of them

And yeah I think my vote is still valid for now
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Kark has been brought up multiple times by myself and others as being a glaring omission from day 1 proceedings but at this point it almost borders onto wondering whether picking at it is going to somehow trip that "real world" argument. That said, he's no better than TWE in terms of where his post count is and how he'll likely technically meet the 10 post requirement without having said much but I could only vote for one and no one had seemed to mention Worthy yet.

Looking at the list of posts, I'm actually surprised Darryl is only at 5. That's actually mildly concerning when I'm most used to his scum play in NX.

Otherwise, not really. Star and SexyFish being a team is rather unfortunate because it's not even weird for Star and I think Fish? to be super low activity.

Tsu not having a post at all means I don't care, that's just straight replacement status and Flush is posting even if I don't have a real read there yet.

Rest don't really trip me yet, nin needs to fluff post more. I know how much he loves fluff.
 
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Nomadic Sparks

Banned
Natiko said:
So you think an inactive is more harmful to us currently than someone purposefully obfuscating and causing confusion?
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Explain this line of thought, Ouro and I may vote for someone else

But here's the catch, it's real easy to blame an inactive when you're the one stirring the pot, so to speak
 
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Muffin1611

Banned
WhereAreMahDragonz said:
Muffin, I also don't feel like your Ouro vote is very strong, and your reasoning reeks of "copy paste" mafia syndrome
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I already went over that, but okay. As I said, I wasn't content with Ouros answers not because it looked like a sure scum play, too obvious for that, but because of the way he seemed to evade actually explaining himself very well and the way Fireblend posted right afterwards.

Which made me vote, which in turn made Fireblend share his thoughts in a way that gave me positive reads from him, as well as Ouro maintaining his dodgy playing behaviour.
 
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