CrimsonFist
Member
As I recall, Acohrs slipped up as a result of Kark's gambit, but nobody picked up on it/followed though with it.
Then Acohrs didn't get lynched and scum burned.
Then Acohrs didn't get lynched and scum burned.
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hey_monkey
Banned
I think a town hooker is the only way a twice-blocked Ouro makes sense, really. But there are some things to consider:
The question of why they wouldn't claim last day phase came up and was discussed but not fully to me. It didn't occur to you guys? Really? Sorian was definitely softclaiming as he said (believing Ouro was roleblocked, etc.) so it was certainly at least a little on your minds. I mean, I get making not-great decisions about claiming (we really did think there was more time left; we are dumb) but that would have essentially confirmed OK's story. Instead, Sorian's dancing around it just made the whole thing seem weirder. Weirdness + suspicion = dead townies. And I'm honestly not sure what this flip gives us except "welp, a lot of people had wrong reads."
Here is a wacky possibility: Sawrian used the night phase to come up with this because they are scum hookers and blocked Ouro once and the other time the recipients were scum so they're just coordinating and lying. Twice blocked makes the idea of a town hooker plausible so they had to figure out a way to make it work. One block + lie = fake twice blocked.
Sawrian, full claim was requested; was it delivered? Did I miss it?
I'm not saying that I suspect Sawrian. Right now I'm pretty firmly in the "I don't know" space and I want more details. If pressed, right now I'd say that I suspect racohrs until more comes from them, Trig4on for reasons already given (moving sucks but doesn't explain everything), possibly Star, and I have a lot of fucking uncertainty, to be quite frank. There's a hole somewhere here.
In lighter news, this is amazing.
The question of why they wouldn't claim last day phase came up and was discussed but not fully to me. It didn't occur to you guys? Really? Sorian was definitely softclaiming as he said (believing Ouro was roleblocked, etc.) so it was certainly at least a little on your minds. I mean, I get making not-great decisions about claiming (we really did think there was more time left; we are dumb) but that would have essentially confirmed OK's story. Instead, Sorian's dancing around it just made the whole thing seem weirder. Weirdness + suspicion = dead townies. And I'm honestly not sure what this flip gives us except "welp, a lot of people had wrong reads."
Here is a wacky possibility: Sawrian used the night phase to come up with this because they are scum hookers and blocked Ouro once and the other time the recipients were scum so they're just coordinating and lying. Twice blocked makes the idea of a town hooker plausible so they had to figure out a way to make it work. One block + lie = fake twice blocked.
Sawrian, full claim was requested; was it delivered? Did I miss it?
I'm not saying that I suspect Sawrian. Right now I'm pretty firmly in the "I don't know" space and I want more details. If pressed, right now I'd say that I suspect racohrs until more comes from them, Trig4on for reasons already given (moving sucks but doesn't explain everything), possibly Star, and I have a lot of fucking uncertainty, to be quite frank. There's a hole somewhere here.
Ourobolus has sent his will:
In lighter news, this is amazing.
CrimsonFist
Member
Yeah, that's currently my dilemma, their night actions make more sense as town, and I can buy the role as being town.
But the way they played yesterday doesn't sit that well.
Elaborate lie involving multiple scum partners? Don't buy that, plus Sorian was setting up the claim yesterday, remember that he said that Ouro was role blocked. Simplest and most likely explanation is that they are telling the truth about their night targets.
But the way they played yesterday doesn't sit that well.
Elaborate lie involving multiple scum partners? Don't buy that, plus Sorian was setting up the claim yesterday, remember that he said that Ouro was role blocked. Simplest and most likely explanation is that they are telling the truth about their night targets.
hey_monkey
Banned
Addendum before I get ready for work: Darryl/nin seems to have dropped of all radars and while no one felt particularly bad about them, we should keep them in our thoughts. Between the two of them, we're looking at 29 posts last day phase, which is about half their activity from the prior day. Granted, last day phase was weird, but post-OuroKitty flip and with two claims on the board, I think we need to be all hands on deck this day phase unless you've got something going on, you know? (Flush festival, Worm computer, etc.). While we can afford to mislynch here and there in terms of numbers, the uncertainty is not great and we need forward motion, which we won't get if conversation shrinks.
hey_monkey
Banned
Yep, same hat. But I'm also always slightly wary of "simplest explanation" theories because humans aren't simple. Regardless, I agree with you and mostly I just want more details from them.
My goal later is to look back over voting patterns again.
Kark's gambit was D3 and he ended up lynched by it and Acorhs was in the chopping block D4.
Kark, probably (maybe) helped keep me alive, but I wouldn't say he helped me pick my targets. Those I chose by myself
hey_monkey
Banned
Can you unpack this a little? What is it about Sorian that you don't town read, and why?
hey_monkey
Banned
Well, let's talk about this game. What do you think about the events of the day leading to OK's lynch and flip? The claims on the table? Who are you scum reading?
Thanks. I think StarBro is scum. And most likely Sawrian too.
RN, Sawneeks has me confused, that's the gut feeling I have. Scumread her until the claim, now not sure what to think. No evidence to counter the claim so should take it on face value, but my gut says that she's scum based on our previous game together. Torn
Yeah, but that was backed down from in the same post that it was put forward in. If it was meant to serve as that and bear still decided to be coy about how scum would be informed about it then that really fucked us.
One would have to assume scum have a targeted night command as well, or at least it seems like that would be likely. I know Sorian speculated role cop but with how weak the town roles have been I'm not sure how useful that would be for scum.
There's something adorable about you of all people calling someone out for coasting.
I'm inclined to believe Sorian's claim just because I don't know that if they were scum they would have pushed so hard against Ouro using that info nor come out and claimed at the start of D3. It does provide an explanation for Ouro that doesn't involve assuming scum made odd choices as well.
Weird because SamuraiMuffin were one of the top posters of the game and they said that they used their chat.
well I can only see one page worth of posts really in the thread in OG, Rac speculated that maybe some posts were scrubbed and I can see why based on what you just said, but it is what it is
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
DAY 4 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Sawneeks & Sorian (1)
CrimsonFist 3472
rac & acohrs (1)
Sawneeks 3494
StarSketch & AbsolutBro (1)
Natiko 3473 3523
franconp 3527
Trigger & Ty4on (1)
Sorian 3530
Natiko & Nomadic Sparks (1)
nin1000 3547
No active vote for Day 4: AbsolutBro, acohrs, Darryl, Dr. Worm, hey_monkey, Karkador, Natiko (has previously voted), Nomadic Sparks, rac, Royal_Flush, Sophia, StarSketch, Trigger, Ty4on, Xbro
Day 4 Postcount: AbsolutBro 1, acohrs 10, CrimsonFist 18, Darryl 1, Dr. Worm 1, franconp 9, hey_monkey 13, Karkador 0, Natiko 12, nin1000 1, Nomadic Sparks 0, rac 1, Royal_Flush 0, Sawneeks 9, Sophia 8, Sorian 5, StarSketch 2, Trigger 1, Ty4on 1, Xbro 6
Day 4 ends:
Automated vote tally here
11 votes for majority
Sawneeks & Sorian (1)
CrimsonFist 3472
rac & acohrs (1)
Sawneeks 3494
StarSketch & AbsolutBro (1)
franconp 3527
Trigger & Ty4on (1)
Sorian 3530
Natiko & Nomadic Sparks (1)
nin1000 3547
No active vote for Day 4: AbsolutBro, acohrs, Darryl, Dr. Worm, hey_monkey, Karkador, Natiko (has previously voted), Nomadic Sparks, rac, Royal_Flush, Sophia, StarSketch, Trigger, Ty4on, Xbro
Day 4 Postcount: AbsolutBro 1, acohrs 10, CrimsonFist 18, Darryl 1, Dr. Worm 1, franconp 9, hey_monkey 13, Karkador 0, Natiko 12, nin1000 1, Nomadic Sparks 0, rac 1, Royal_Flush 0, Sawneeks 9, Sophia 8, Sorian 5, StarSketch 2, Trigger 1, Ty4on 1, Xbro 6
Day 4 ends:
Automated vote tally here
11 votes for majority
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but are you saying that both of you think Burb deleted posts from SamuraiMuffin in your chat?
CrimsonFist
Member
I feel like this is probably getting into the circumstances of the replacement, which we probably shouldn't dwell on much.
no, I'm saying I can understand why Rac speculated that based on the facts. Anyway, it doesn't matter
Speaking of D1, what delayed your kitsune vote?
Sure, call it adorable. You are indeed correct about that but my point still stands.
CrimsonFist
Member
I was a bit divided between switching to Kitsune or switching to Darryl due to the day 1 argument between him and Sorian.
StarSketch
Banned
That's weird because both Fish and Czar made posts in my pair thread, and they're still there. then again, maybe this happened because both players were replaced in that case? -shrug-
Speaking of threads, AB noted that Nomadic seems to be compensating for something seeing as he suddenly popped up after getting dinged for post disparity.
AB left no impression on me yesterday. I know he's posted more than than both of his predecessors but I don't really remember anything he said. Star is Star, I've always had constant issues reading her. So I really don't know. They could be scum but I think a lot of people assume that because of the whole message thing, except Ouro was blocked so the whole message point is moot, no one is lying about it.
I think Natiko is fine. Nomadic plays from the hip which has led to weak play but I don't really find it scummy.
I've written off the silencer as either scum or town. I'd be astounded if Burb throws in the same neutral again.
I thought Ouro was scum and wanted to stay unclaimed. For the most part, this has been one big day phase with two lynches since no one was dying last night anyway so I wanted to see his flip and evaluate. If he had been scum, Sawneeks and I wouldn't have had to make any excuses and the soft was certainly there so maybe scum could guess it but even if they were mildy unsure, maybe we would have gotten an extra night or two of clearing people if that was only one scum left. I verified Ouro's story as much as I needed to. I said I believed he was roleblocked but felt that he was a scum role that would have known, an investigator or something.
Also, full claim? Saw already said it all in her post, town hookers, with Ouro, Ouro, Kark as our 3 targets to far. Or do you just mean the flavor names? We're Bella Swan and Carlisle Cullen.
What do you think about StarSketch saying that she would do a deep read at the same time when Kitsune posted her? And then getting defensive over a post that was not directed at her, but to Kitsune instead?
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
OMGUS
vote: nin1000
I'm coasting?
What I'm doing is coasting?
Breh
I'm triple layered confused on whether Sorian is scum and how to approach it?
Coasting?
Coasting?
Not shit posting and general stupidity.....But coasting?
StarSketch is a slapstick comedy routine embodied in a person so it doesn't even make my eyebrow quiver. If anything you'd think she'd avoid doing any of that if kitsune was her partner and they were communicating but I could counter again by saying that scum Star would be just mistake prone so it's all reads moot.
I think that answer is bullshit and you know it. Why would we excuse a player with a read that says "she always plays badly so when she makes an slip can't be scum"?
So what do you think about StarSketch choosing us "at random" to do a deep dive when the first (or second) post of her partner (Tim at the moment) was acussing me for being scum with a faulty meta read? That sounds random to you?
Can you explain to me why a Scum!Royal would claim when he did? That's what is getting me hung up on their alignment because I have trouble seeing Scum claim in such a way out of the blue.
Hi Nin
what are your thoughts on Natiko since you don't like his partner?
Sorian detailed his thoughts but it wasn't something we discussed in our chat at the time, in fact our chat was mostly dead last Day Phase. We work somewhat separate from each other and only really sometimes discuss reads, some notes, night actions, and make bad jokes ( okay that one is mostly me to be fair ) in our chat and don't run absolutely everything by each other. We did briefly discuss claiming when I got home and noticed we almost got lynched on Day 2 for reasons I still don't get but that was about it.
I 100% agree.
What would you suggest we do this Day Phase to get people talking more since everyone is so quiet.
I see you're continuing Sam's play of giving non-reads of people. :x
Y
To quote Sophia, your gut is terrible.
What pushed you over the edge to Kits?
The one time Star was neutral that I remember (Of Gods and Men), her slips were a lot more blatant and she got herself lynched on Day 1. So I'm kind of slightly in agreement with Fran here that we shouldn't be making excuses for Star. I've actually got the gut impression she was kind of subdue this game. I can't tell if that's because she's had a rotating partner, or if it's because she's scum and has someone backing her up behind the scenes.
To quote Sophia, your gut is terrible.
Yo get your own dialogue Saw. It's bad enough that Nomadic is sheeping me, gosh! ;_;
CrimsonFist
Member
General non-contributions besides arguing with Dragonz, FEP not having a vote, also was leaning slightly scum on FatSorian at the time and Darryl vs Sorian was unlikely to be w/w, although I did sort of consider that as a far fetched possibility.
Looking over yesterday, Star wanted to lynch Ouro day 2, for some but it doesn't look like she took any sort of stance on him at all yesterday, and Absolut voted Trigger on a "coin flip."
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
I feel really bad about lynching Ouro
Nomadic Sparks
Banned
I thought he acting scum then the whole silencer thing happen and made me think twice and then I change my vote
It probably wasn't at random tbh. I'd be unsurprised to add later that Tim said a couple things on their chat that made her look in gay direction when he wasn't around.
That said, you can call my answer bullshit all you want. Nothing she's done so far has been alignment indicative. Is that frustrating for reading? Yes. Do I have any clue if she is scum or not? Nope. That's why it's annoying but I always get a real read on her by game end because circumstances force her alignment to show even if her play does.
Should have quoted Sophia too but I know you know better so pretending Star flubbing about is a scum tell gets an eye roll from me.
CrimsonFist
Member
Do you have any thoughts on Absolut though?
So... you switched your hey_monkey and Royal? Do you still think they're scum?
CrimsonFist
Member
You changed your vote as what looks like a poke vote on something that had already been answered. Why did that claim make you change your mind anyway?
Are you reading the thread or just asking questions for the sake of asking?
I already answered this. He's left literally 0 impression on me. All the new sub ins have if I'm being honest.
I think we had to flip Ouro one way or another, to piece this mystery together with some objective information. Especially when this player is making devil's bargain type of arguments for good reason.
1) So Ouro chose his targets - fran and star.
2) We have a roleclaim from Royal yesterday that they're the silencers. They targeted Ouro and I.
3) We have this roleclaim today from Sorian that they are the hookers and roleblocked Ouro twice, as well as me.
Here's where I'm at with these issues:
1) Yesterday I considered that, because Ouro didn't actually get a "your action failed" type of PM during the night, it was possible that at least one of his two targets actually DID receive the letter, but chose not to respond - all to cast doubt on Ouro when he eventually brings this up.
2) Royal's silencer claim came after his two targets (myself and Ouro) already talked about it. I guess I'm inclined to believe him after Ouro's flip, but we can't comment on it much from our perspective.
3) "Town Hooker", huh? I don't know what to make of that yet, but targeting Ouro twice in a row makes no sense to me, personally, especially not without much of a visible cause/effect. Also, since when is a roleblocking type of role able to target the same target twice in a row?
1) So Ouro chose his targets - fran and star.
2) We have a roleclaim from Royal yesterday that they're the silencers. They targeted Ouro and I.
3) We have this roleclaim today from Sorian that they are the hookers and roleblocked Ouro twice, as well as me.
Here's where I'm at with these issues:
1) Yesterday I considered that, because Ouro didn't actually get a "your action failed" type of PM during the night, it was possible that at least one of his two targets actually DID receive the letter, but chose not to respond - all to cast doubt on Ouro when he eventually brings this up.
2) Royal's silencer claim came after his two targets (myself and Ouro) already talked about it. I guess I'm inclined to believe him after Ouro's flip, but we can't comment on it much from our perspective.
3) "Town Hooker", huh? I don't know what to make of that yet, but targeting Ouro twice in a row makes no sense to me, personally, especially not without much of a visible cause/effect. Also, since when is a roleblocking type of role able to target the same target twice in a row?