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LTTP: Godbomb- Thor is now definitively the greatest God of all Time.

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Jarmel

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Manmademan said:
True, but winter soldier itself was a contrived scenario.

Spoilering because some people have yet to see the movie.

from the very beginning, we see Cap taking out a boat full of terrorists damn near single handedly, and the rest of the team is almost redundant. Cap is doing the heavy lifting, while Fury uses Widow to steal the information on HYDRA he's really after...because Widow is willing to do things cap is not, putting the acquisition of the data before the lives of the captives.

Later on in the film we see Captain America and Falcon making a run to take out three rogue helicarriers nearly single handedly. One is a super soldier, the other can fly. Widow is completely useless at knocking out helicarriers, but serves a useful role anyway, infiltrating SHIELD, clearing the way for fury, and releasing the data on HYDRA that dismantles the organization.

It's not that much of a stretch in A2 to see helicarriers replaced with Ultron, and Cap and Falcon replaced with Thor or Hulk. It's all in the writing, and the comics have handled this well for decades.
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Winter Soldier is more of a spy film though with organizations of regular human beings. Black Widow worked really well in that setting because she still could feasibly serve in an action role. When even the grunts are out of your power range, that limits the amount of possible roles.
 
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Manmademan

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Slayven said:
When Namorita was going through some mutagentic issues he dropped her like a rock. But once ti cleared up and she was back to looking Caucasoid, he wanted to holla at her again.


Shame, for shame.
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Lol oh THAT. " Some mutagenic issues" is a light way of putting that. Dude walked In and she was covered in pus filled boils.

I love my wife, but I dunno lol
 
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dan2026

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Jarmel said:
Winter Soldier is more of a spy film though with organizations of regular human beings. Black Widow worked really well in that setting because she still could feasibly serve in an action role. When even the grunts are out of your power range, that limits the amount of possible roles.
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I'm sure there will be plenty of fodder robots in Age of Ultron for Hawkeye to shoot explosive arrows at.

Hey, somebody's got to do it, bro.
 
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Parch

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Manmademan said:
Current publications (both from the big two and indies) are leagues different from the material of the 80s and 90s. much better written, much better themes, and some truly amazing art.
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True, but some of the characters and teams have evolved better than others. In terms of popularity, some have improved, some have declined.

I would definitely consider Thor an improvement and agree with the OP. I ignored Thor comics for years because I thought it was just a bunch of cornball mythological nonsense. I have read some of the recent stuff and been very impressed. For the first time since forever, I want to read more Thor.

Outstanding OP. Comic fans know there's a special captivation that is difficult to explain. You did it wonderfully.
 
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Mumei

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Slayven said:
Real talk that is jsut because Superman is more famous. Thor has done things that equal and a lot of cases surpasses Superman. And a lot fop Superman feats are against shit that doesn't fight back.
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Well, I was thinking particularly of Silver Age Superman, when he's doing silly things like pulling a chain of planets, moving the Earth to make it dodge a laser, crossing the universe an instant, getting hit with the equivalent of dozens of galaxies and shrugging it off. Those are against things that don't fight back, mostly, but I just meant in terms of physical stats.

I've heard a lot of impressive stuff that Thor has done - especially some of more powerful temporary incarnations - but nothing that really compares to that.

Granted, this is mostly from what I've read in threads on The Internet so tell me what I might be missing?
 
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Manmademan

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Mumei said:
Well, I was thinking particularly of Silver Age Superman, when he's doing silly things like pulling a chain of planets, moving the Earth to make it dodge a laser, crossing the universe an instant, getting hit with the equivalent of dozens of galaxies and shrugging it off. Those are against things that don't fight back, mostly, but I just meant in terms of physical stats.

I've heard a lot of impressive stuff that Thor has done - especially some of more powerful temporary incarnations - but nothing that really compares to that.

Granted, this is mostly from what I've read in threads on The Internet so tell me what I might be missing?
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Ah yes. The pre crisis superman. Superman hasn't been capable of that sort of thing for a long time- and even when he was he was horribly inconsistent.

Sure, you can find panels of PC superman sneezing galaxies away or towing planets, yet his rogues gallery was decidedly lower tier. Metallo, Luthor, brainiac, etc.

It's tough to write stories like that, which is why DC powered him down considerably. Thor (and really all marvel heroes not named Franklin Richards) has never really been on that tier.
 
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Slayven

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Mumei said:
Well, I was thinking particularly of Silver Age Superman, when he's doing silly things like pulling a chain of planets, moving the Earth to make it dodge a laser, crossing the universe an instant, getting hit with the equivalent of dozens of galaxies and shrugging it off. Those are against things that don't fight back, mostly, but I just meant in terms of physical stats.

I've heard a lot of impressive stuff that Thor has done - especially some of more powerful temporary incarnations - but nothing that really compares to that.

Granted, this is mostly from what I've read in threads on The Internet so tell me what I might be missing?
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What many people skip over is superman might be towing a planet on one page, and on the next Toyman will ahve him subdued using a chainlink fence. The silver age was was all over the place.

You want the Walter Simoson to see some crazy Thor.
 
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Sinatar

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Walt Simonson did some amazing stories with Thor, definitely worth checking out. I mean hell, his opening salvo when he started writing for Thor was creating the amazing Beta Ray Bill.
 
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Manmademan

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Slayven said:
What many people skip over is superman might be towing a planet on one page, and on the next Toyman will ahve him subdued using a chainlink fence. The silver age was was all over the place.

You want the Walter Simoson to see some crazy Thor.
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Lol. Toyman was the one I was thinking of but couldn't recall. Superman's rogues gallery was inexplicably bad sometimes.

There was a PC superman vs He-man crossover back in the 80s that put the two on roughly the same level as well, and He Man shouldn't be anywhere close to Superman's top end.
 
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Mumei

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Manmademan said:
Ah yes. The pre crisis superman. Superman hasn't been capable of that sort of thing for a long time- and even when he was he was horribly inconsistent.

Sure, you can find panels of PC superman sneezing galaxies away or towing planets, yet his rogues gallery was decidedly lower tier. Metallo, Luthor, brainiac, etc.

It's tough to write stories like that, which is why DC powered him down considerably. Thor (and really all marvel heroes not named Franklin Richards) has never really been on that tier.
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Ah. Okay, that's basically what I thought. I know he hasn't been around those levels since then; current Superman's feats of that sort seem to peak out around the same place that Thor's do, RKT or w/e notwithstanding.
 
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Slayven

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Manmademan said:
Lol. Toyman was the one I was thinking of but couldn't recall. Superman's rogues gallery was inexplicably bad sometimes.

There was a PC superman vs He-man crossover back in the 80s that put the two on roughly the same level as well, and He Man shouldn't be anywhere close to Superman's top end.
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Nu He-man was bad ass. Look at your hero.

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She was all alone and hurting, and he acted an ass.
 
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Mumei

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Slayven said:
You want the Walter Simoson to see some crazy Thor.
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Really? I read the first two of the collected trades and I actually thought he seemed relatively weak. Or at least inconsistent, maybe. Or he was holding back significantly? I'm not sure even that explains it; there was a part where he was about to fall into magma and he seemed quite worried about this (his hammer reached him in time). Or there was a part when there was... I don't know, falling debris or something, and he expressed concern about it falling on him.

There was also high-end stuff (the fight with Surtur, in particular), but there's these odd moments of, "... Really? Thor shouldn't be worried about that." But the moments where I thought, "Thor seems ridiculously powerful" were few and far between.

But that is only half the run, so maybe it gets crazier.
 
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Slayven

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Mumei said:
Really? I read the first two of the collected trades and I actually thought he seemed relatively weak. Or at least inconsistent, maybe. Or he was holding back significantly? I'm not sure even that explains it; there was a part where he was about to fall into magma and he seemed quite worried about this (his hammer reached him in time). Or there was a part when there was... I don't know, falling debris or something, and he expressed concern about it falling on him.

There was also high-end stuff (the fight with Surtur, in particular), but there's these odd moments of, "... Really? Thor shouldn't be worried about that." But the moments where I thought, "Thor seems ridiculously powerful" were few and far between.

But that is only half the run, so maybe it gets crazier.
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Did you read the arc where Thor is cursed?
 
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Sinatar

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Slayven said:
She was all alone and hurting, and he acted an ass.
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See that's part of what makes Rider so great. Over the 40 years he existed in Marvel he had an actual arc. He started off as a punk kid, especially during his time in the New Warriors but eventually grew into a man of responsibility and quality. By the end he was a intergalactic leader whom entire empires respected.

Mumei said:
Really? I read the first two of the collected trades and I actually thought he seemed relatively weak. Or at least inconsistent, maybe. Or he was holding back significantly? I'm not sure even that explains it; there was a part where he was about to fall into magma and he seemed quite worried about this (his hammer reached him in time). Or there was a part when there was... I don't know, falling debris or something, and he expressed concern about it falling on him.

There was also high-end stuff (the fight with Surtur, in particular), but there's these odd moments of, "... Really? Thor shouldn't be worried about that." But the moments where I thought, "Thor seems ridiculously powerful" were few and far between.

But that is only half the run, so maybe it gets crazier.
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Simonson didn't go overboard with the power level. He's notable for just writing some damn fine stories. Personally I'll always love Simonson for finally killing off the terrible Donald Blake persona.
 
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Slayven

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Sinatar said:
See that's part of what makes Rider so great. Over the 40 years he existed in Marvel he had an actual arc. He started off as a punk kid, especially during his time in the New Warriors but eventually grew into a man of responsibility and quality. By the end he was a intergalactic leader whom entire empires respected.
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Pfft, he was on a team with Marvel Boy AKA Justice, who had so much growth they had to create another version of him.
 
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Manmademan

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Slayven said:
You mean that school he got into on a Baseball scholarship he got by using his superpowers?
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Ok ok. I see what this is. You're trying to goad me into making an annihilation thread to redeem and defend Rich Ryder, the greatest Nova ever.

Alas, any more time on GAF and my wife will have my hide. You will have your thread, just not today
 
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Slayven

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Manmademan said:
Ok ok. I see what this is. You're trying to goad me into making an annihilation thread to redeem and defend Rich Ryder, the greatest Nova ever.

Alas, any more time on GAF and my wife will have my hide. You will have your thread, just not today
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Wraith was more interesting than Nova in Annihilation. He pulled some guts then got infected with Ultron sperm. Big whoop.
 
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TAJ

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Mumei said:
Really? I read the first two of the collected trades and I actually thought he seemed relatively weak. Or at least inconsistent, maybe. Or he was holding back significantly? I'm not sure even that explains it; there was a part where he was about to fall into magma and he seemed quite worried about this (his hammer reached him in time). Or there was a part when there was... I don't know, falling debris or something, and he expressed concern about it falling on him.

There was also high-end stuff (the fight with Surtur, in particular), but there's these odd moments of, "... Really? Thor shouldn't be worried about that." But the moments where I thought, "Thor seems ridiculously powerful" were few and far between.

But that is only half the run, so maybe it gets crazier.
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I'm guessing you didn't see this.

http://postimage.org/
Oh, half? Yeah, you definitely didn't see that.
 
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Mumei

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Sinatar said:
Simonson didn't go overboard with the power level. He's notable for just writing some damn fine stories. Personally I'll always love Simonson for finally killing off the terrible Donald Blake persona.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I thought it was a lot of fun and I'm glad I picked it for my introduction to classic Thor stories; I just didn't think it was impressive in the sense that he was pointing out.

Slayven said:
Did you read the arc where Thor is cursed?
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I don't recall him being cursed, no. I read these two volumes, which cover issues 337 - 355. The Walt Simonson Thor Omnibus (out of print, the bastards) covers 337 - 355, 357 - 369, 371 - 382

So not even half.
 
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PartlyCloudlike

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Dang the first few panels were all it took to sell me on this. Thanks OP! Now to decide between the Comixology version or the Kindle version. Hmm.

Edit: Bought The God Butcher Kindle Edition for $7.55!
 
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DonasaurusRex

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Jarmel said:
Yea, Winter Soldier is more up her alley. The problem is that when you get into the real heavyweight category, which is starting up with Ultron, the writers have to start coming up with contrived scenarios for characters to be useful. We'll see how they handle it going forward with A2 and A3.
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no..she just needs better weapons than dual pistols. Soon as you give someone like natasha a Kree or Spartax blaster shes deadly against higher level foes. Besides its ultron there will be a two or three tiered plan with him as the center node. Plenty for all to do even if its just recon.
 
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esai

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Read this arc as it was published and loved it. still do. Great work op. Would love to see one on annihilation since I'm reading it now.
 
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DonasaurusRex

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Mumei said:
Oh, don't get me wrong. I thought it was a lot of fun and I'm glad I picked it for my introduction to classic Thor stories; I just didn't think it was impressive in the sense that he was pointing out.



I don't recall him being cursed, no. I read these two volumes, which cover issues 337 - 355. The Walt Simonson Thor Omnibus (out of print, the bastards) covers 337 - 355, 357 - 369, 371 - 382

So not even half.
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wtf...frog thor is all time

oh and this

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/tear
 
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Mudcrab

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Excellent OP. Aside from the forced movie tie-in arc, Aaron and Ribic's run on God of Thunder has been straight murder. Old Galactus vs All-Father Thor in an ancient and dying universe is as amazing as it sounds.
 
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ElNarez

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Once it's done, the optimal way to read this run of Thor will not be in an Omnibus or an Oversized Hardcover, but a parade of painted vans. It is this fucking metal.
 
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Azuran

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Ghazi said:
Goddamn, I have to start reading comics... but the $$$ barriers are too high :(


That was fucking awesome, first Marvel comic I've ever read too (and that was condensed shit lol).
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Sounds like Marvel Unlimited is exactly what you need. That thing is a godsend considering I'm reading stuff I would have never bought.
 
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lordmrw

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Slayven said:
Nu He-man was bad ass. Look at your hero.



She was all alone and hurting, and he acted an ass.
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That was about the point my brother stopped buying comics. I was too young to work and so late 1994-1996 is a gap in my comics knowledge. God I miss that New Warriors series when Fabian Nicieza was writing it. If I had scans I would make a thread dedicated to the first 50 issue run of that title.
 
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Kaervas

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Read it the other day, has some cool bits but as a whole it is quite bland.

The name of the weapon was cringe-making.
 
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Relix

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Gaffers recommended this to me. I am around the 5th one but its fantastic so far. The art is top notch
 
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dan2026 said:
Leah and Loki.... :(
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I know, I want them to end up together :(


As for the Thor: God Butcher and God Bomb stuff, its quality stuff. And this is coming from someone that normally doesn't read Thor comics. Its definitely got me to put Thor on my list of comics to check out.
 
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Mudcrab

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Cth said:
Liked the first arc, but that follow up D&D arc was painful to read.
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That's because it was forced upon the creative team to feature a story with Thor 2's main villain. Now that Aaron is able to tell the story he wants to the title is back to being quality.
 
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.GqueB.

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I've always wondered if that Thor helmet could work in the movies without looking cheese. I think I remember him wearing it in the first movie but I don't think it was around much.
 
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