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LTTP: Mafia Series (Definitive Edition)

Humdinger

Gold Member
I just finished playing through Mafia I and II, Definitive Edition, and wanted to share some brief impressions. This is exactly the kind of game I like and wish they made more of.

Both Mafia I and II have good stories, entertaining and believable characters, and good dialog. The stories aren't perfect. Sometimes the characters do things that make no sense, but that's okay. The overall story was entertaining and kept me wondering what was ahead. I liked the main characters in both games. They did a nice job of tying the stories of the two games together.

Both games have solid shooting mechanics. The gunplay never got dull. Levels are varied. Action includes car chases, gun fights, prison sequences (don't drop the soap), fist fights, car bombs, police chases, heists, family drama, hits - all the stuff you would expect in a mafia game. I have been watching The Sopranos lately, so I was in the spirit of the thing.


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Driving was fun. As you probably know, it's more realistic than GTA. You can still speed and run red lights. The cops are lenient. Even when they're on your tail, they give up the chase pretty easily. I found it funny sometimes ("He's in another borough now, I guess we lost him").

The main difference I noticed between the first and second games is that the first put a lot more emphasis on the cinematics, motion capture, and acting. There is more of a filmic quality to the first game, whereas the second feels more like a regular videogame from that era (in terms of the cutscenes). They also made some improvements to the driving for Mafia II (removed directional sign, added engine upgrades). They added a few things to do in the city as well (e.g., clothing, gas, body shops).

I never played the original series, so I can't properly assess the upgrades that went into the Definitive Edition. From what I can tell, though, they put in substantial work.

If you like old-style relatively linear action games, I'd recommend you check these games out, if you haven't already. Once I got around to them, I was sorry I slept on them so long. They are really right up my alley. Since they are older games, you can find them on sale periodically. (Mafia I DE is on sale now for $6 on the PS Store).

I haven't played Mafia III yet - the one set in modern times, in a New Orleans setting, with a Vietnam vet and some new "boss" mechanics. I've heard that it isn't as good. Any impressions?

I'm looking forward to the upcoming game, Mafia: The Old Country. It's a prequel to the first game, due out sometime next year.
 
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Kupfer

Member
I haven't played Mafia III yet - the one set in modern times, in a New Orleans setting, with a Vietnam vet and some new "boss" mechanics. I've heard that it isn't as good. Any impressions?
After Mafia 1 & 2, Mafia 3 just wasn't my jam. I was missing a strong focus on the story like in the other two games.
It became meaningless after some hours and I just stopped playing and never looked back.


I'm looking forward to the upcoming game, Mafia: The Old Country. It's a prequel to the first game, due out sometime next year.
I really hope it will be good.
 
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Humdinger

Gold Member
Boy they sure put a lot of work into the upgrade. That looks like a matchbox car race by comparison.

That was a fun race. I had a lot more trouble than he did. Looks like he just pulled out in front and that was the end of it.
 
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Humdinger

Gold Member
I played 1 DE, didn't play II cos it still looked old. Is it worth it OP?

Oh yeah. It was a lot of fun and made some improvements to the first game. The only drawback that I saw was that the strong emphasis on cinematics and motion capture weren't there in the second game.
 
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Senua

Member
Original is way better, more immersive sim aspects, way harder. Shooting is way more challenging and rewarding in the original, so much recoil and when ya master it it's awesome. Cars handle like shit, as they should considering they're from the 30s. I dno the DE had good aspects like the presentation which was fantastic but a lot was lost in translation.
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
After Mafia 1 & 2, Mafia 3 just wasn't my jam. I was missing a strong focus on the story like in the other two games.
It became meaningless after some hours and I just stopped playing and never looked back.

Ok, I'll wait for a sale, then. I still want to give it a shot, just to see what it's like.
 

nikos

Member
Recently played through both and loved them. Hadn't played since each released, and I'm not sure I ever finished them at the time.

I quit Mafia III a few hours in. Need to go back and see if I can get into it. Perhaps I was just burned out since I had just played through the first two in succession.
 
I just beat Mafia 1 and 2 also. Got all them on a recent steam sale for $15. I like their more linear approach than GTA tbh. I’m playing the Joes Adventures dlc for Mafia 2 before moving to Mafia 3. Btw I’m playing them all on Steam Deck and they run great.
 

VulcanRaven

Member
I just beat Mafia 1 and 2 also. Got all them on a recent steam sale for $15. I like their more linear approach than GTA tbh. I’m playing the Joes Adventures dlc for Mafia 2 before moving to Mafia 3. Btw I’m playing them all on Steam Deck and they run great.
I was disappointed by the Mafia 2 dlc. It felt like it was content removed from the main game.
 
I was disappointed by the Mafia 2 dlc. It felt like it was content removed from the main game.

Yea I’m skipping the Jimmy ones. But I like how this Joe part fills in a campaign gap. It kinda makes sense, since you play as someone else. It would feel more ripped from the game if it was missions for the main character.
 

VulcanRaven

Member
I like how easily you can die in car crashes in Mafia 2. I often go so fast when on the bridge and then I mess up. Bad thing is that the checkpoint system isn't always good so it might take me to the beginning of that chapter. :D
 
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Denton

Member
Mafia: City of Lost Heaven (2002 Dan Vávra directed original) - 10/10 masterpiece and one of the best games ever made

Mafia II (and its "definitive edition", which adds very little) - 9/10 great game that suffers a bit from being severely cut down from original plans, Dan Vávra left a year before it was finished and it shows

Mafia III - 8/10 very different type of Mafia game, instead of being italian you are a black vietnam vet waging war against italian mob, mission structure is repetitive but awesome 1968 New Orleans setting, great driving and gunplay make up for it, DLCs are a must to spice things up

Mafia III (canceled design from Dan Vávra and reason he left 2K after they didn't greenlight the project after years of work) - should have been also set in the sixties, revolved around Kennedy assassination, player was supposed to play a mafia guy as well as a detective who investigates the mafia guy. The design exists in Dan's drawer and is unlikely to ever be realized, sadly.

Mafia: Definitive Edition (2020 remake of the 2002 original) - 8/10 great game that brings gorgeous graphics and good storytelling of the original to the modern era, but sadly eliminates some cool aspects of the original and does not fully live up to it, has very different characterization, atmosphere and soundtrack. More of a reimagination than a remake.
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
Mafia: City of Lost Heaven (2002 Dan Vávra directed original) - 10/10 masterpiece and one of the best games ever made

Mafia II (and its "definitive edition", which adds very little) - 9/10 great game that suffers a bit from being severely cut down from original plans, Dan Vávra left a year before it was finished and it shows

Mafia III - 8/10 very different type of Mafia game, instead of being italian you are a black vietnam vet waging war against italian mob, mission structure is repetitive but awesome 1968 New Orleans setting, great driving and gunplay make up for it, DLCs are a must to spice things up

Mafia III (canceled design from Dan Vávra and reason he left 2K after they didn't greenlight the project after years of work) - should have been also set in the sixties, revolved around Kennedy assassination, player was supposed to play a mafia guy as well as a detective who investigates the mafia guy. The design exists in Dan's drawer and is unlikely to ever be realized, sadly.

Mafia: Definitive Edition (2020 remake of the 2002 original) - 8/10 great game that brings gorgeous graphics and good storytelling of the original to the modern era, but sadly eliminates some cool aspects of the original and does not fully live up to it, has very different characterization, atmosphere and soundtrack. More of a reimagination than a remake.

Ah, a real Mafia connoisseur.
 

intbal

Member
Hangar 13 said a 9th gen patch was coming.
They never delivered.

These games are 30fps for all eternity on console.
Play them on PC only.
 

Laptop1991

Member
I got the game, Mafia 1, on GOG, free with Amazon, did they ever get the trains and trams moving like they did in the original.
 
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Cattlyst

Member
Recently played through the Remastered version of the original Mafia and I was thoroughly gripped by it. Never played the original version back in the day so it was like a whole new experience and I really enjoyed it. Played Mafia 3 a few years ago and didn't really like it, and never played Mafia II, but from what I've heard I've played the best one so that is fine by me.
 

Certinty

Member
Mafia III is one of the biggest wastes of a game i’ve ever played.

Imagine a game where the characters, story, gunplay, driving, graphics and overall gameplay are all great.

Now imaging ruining all of that with constant repetitive missions, non-existent side content and bad AI.

What a shame.
 

Denton

Member
That was my main complain, no really good missions just repetitive which is a shame because everything else had potential, the driving, shooting etc.
There are some fantastic missions in Mafia 3. The amusement park, KKK rally, skyscraper, steamboat..
They are interspersed with the district takeover missions, but personally I enjoyed the gameplay so much I had no problem with that. Finishe M3 twice and not the last time.
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
Recently played through the Remastered version of the original Mafia and I was thoroughly gripped by it. Never played the original version back in the day so it was like a whole new experience and I really enjoyed it. Played Mafia 3 a few years ago and didn't really like it, and never played Mafia II, but from what I've heard I've played the best one so that is fine by me.

Mafia II is good, too. So if you feel like revisiting the series, you might check that one out. Whether you like I or II better is a matter of preference, I suppose. I enjoyed them both.
 

amigastar

Member
There are some fantastic missions in Mafia 3. The amusement park, KKK rally, skyscraper, steamboat..
They are interspersed with the district takeover missions, but personally I enjoyed the gameplay so much I had no problem with that. Finishe M3 twice and not the last time.
Maybe i should give it another try. I loved the shooting mechanics, driving etc.
 
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I liked Mafia OG but it can be fairly dated to players who enjoy playing modern games instead. It's pretty brutal and unforgiving with combat and driving.

Mafia II was the first game I played before I tried the OG. The differences are clear. I'm disappointed how many features did not make it but it's still an enjoyable game regardless especially with Jimmy's DLCs since the missions are more open-ended in a way.
For example, in the base game, it was strictly do A and do B in a way I want. In Jimmy's DLCs they are more; enemies are there, do what you gotta do to kill them.

Mafia III remains a mixed bag for me. I disliked how TakeTwo decided to move the project from Czech to Hangar 13, a newly founded American studio. Kotaku's articles explains so many things why the game is half-baked. I did like the different setting, though. Probably the only game that takes place during the Civil Rights era of the USA.

Mafia DE shows how much Hangar 13 improved its engine. It's almost like Mafia III with a ton of improvements.

From the police perspective, Mafia, Mafia 2 and Mafia DE had the cops pursue you for traffic infractions and issue tickets. That was pretty fun to see and probably the only open-world games where the police issue tickets.
 

RAIDEN1

Member
So for someone who enjoyed Sleeping Dogs, over most of the Yakuza games, is Mafia worth getting into? I never bothered with this in the beginning, and it is only now after seeing and hearing more about it, I am "somewhat" intrigued
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
So for someone who enjoyed Sleeping Dogs, over most of the Yakuza games, is Mafia worth getting into? I never bothered with this in the beginning, and it is only now after seeing and hearing more about it, I am "somewhat" intrigued

OP here. I didn't play Sleeping Dogs, so I can't compare the two. Maybe someone else can comment.

You mention Yakuza, though, which I have played. I don't see much similarity between Yakuza and Mafia, apart from the organized crime story. Mafia is a linear, mission-driven game. There are a few side activities in Mafia II, but nothing even remotely close to what you would find in a Yakuza game. No side-quests per se. You can free roam and drive around the city, but there isn't a whole lot to do - run from the cops, rob a store, try to run down civilians, that sort of thing.

Mainly, you just move from one chapter to the next. Linear game, much shorter. I would spend 40 hours in a Yakuza game, but I got through these in 12 to 14 hours each, roughly.
 
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RavageX

Member
I just finished playing through Mafia I and II, Definitive Edition, and wanted to share some brief impressions. This is exactly the kind of game I like and wish they made more of.

Both Mafia I and II have good stories, entertaining and believable characters, and good dialog. The stories aren't perfect. Sometimes the characters do things that make no sense, but that's okay. The overall story was entertaining and kept me wondering what was ahead. I liked the main characters in both games. They did a nice job of tying the stories of the two games together.

Both games have solid shooting mechanics. The gunplay never got dull. Levels are varied. Action includes car chases, gun fights, prison sequences (don't drop the soap), fist fights, car bombs, police chases, heists, family drama, hits - all the stuff you would expect in a mafia game. I have been watching The Sopranos lately, so I was in the spirit of the thing.


EH7U486.jpeg



Driving was fun. As you probably know, it's more realistic than GTA. You can still speed and run red lights. The cops are lenient. Even when they're on your tail, they give up the chase pretty easily. I found it funny sometimes ("He's in another borough now, I guess we lost him").

The main difference I noticed between the first and second games is that the first put a lot more emphasis on the cinematics, motion capture, and acting. There is more of a filmic quality to the first game, whereas the second feels more like a regular videogame from that era (in terms of the cutscenes). They also made some improvements to the driving for Mafia II (removed directional sign, added engine upgrades). They added a few things to do in the city as well (e.g., clothing, gas, body shops).

I never played the original series, so I can't properly assess the upgrades that went into the Definitive Edition. From what I can tell, though, they put in substantial work.

If you like old-style relatively linear action games, I'd recommend you check these games out, if you haven't already. Once I got around to them, I was sorry I slept on them so long. They are really right up my alley. Since they are older games, you can find them on sale periodically. (Mafia I DE is on sale now for $6 on the PS Store).

I haven't played Mafia III yet - the one set in modern times, in a New Orleans setting, with a Vietnam vet and some new "boss" mechanics. I've heard that it isn't as good. Any impressions?

I'm looking forward to the upcoming game, Mafia: The Old Country. It's a prequel to the first game, due out sometime next year.

I personally enjoyed ALL of the games, the original Mafia game was rough though, lol. A lot of people give the 3rd game a hard time. The game itself was a bit different from the others, its more of a revenge story and I could dig it. I just wish it have a bit more variety. Did a great job with the overall setting. I still need to do the DLC.
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
I personally enjoyed ALL of the games, the original Mafia game was rough though, lol. A lot of people give the 3rd game a hard time. The game itself was a bit different from the others, its more of a revenge story and I could dig it. I just wish it have a bit more variety. Did a great job with the overall setting. I still need to do the DLC.

Getting some real mixed reactions in the thread about Mafia III. I'm looking forward to trying it out for myself. I like the setting and era. Combat sounds good. The main shortcoming people keep mentioning is that the missions feel repetitive.
 

Denton

Member
So for someone who enjoyed Sleeping Dogs, over most of the Yakuza games, is Mafia worth getting into? I never bothered with this in the beginning, and it is only now after seeing and hearing more about it, I am "somewhat" intrigued
Sleeping Dogs and Mafia 1 are best open city action games ever made.
Of course, Mafia 1 came out in 2002 and while revolutionary back then, these days it is pretty retro. It can still be heavily prettified with mods, but the remake, while not as good, is more welcoming to younger players. Yes you should play Mafia series.
 

yansolo

Member
og mafia was a legendary game back in 2002 but its aged terribly and is completely unplayable with todays standards, even mafia 2 i dont think has aged too well

the remake was good i just wish they had done a bit more, at least with the open world. it just exists to go from point a to point b
 

Ozzie666

Member
Mafia 1 story that ending was amazing so was the song which they changed in the new releases.

Epic race difficulty and that boat mission. It was so good back in the early 2000s.
 

Thief1987

Member
Original Mafia still remains masterpiece, Mafia II is meh, remake is bad and Mafia III is an abomination don't worth anyone's time.
 
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