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LttP: Persona 4 - The Golden (no spoilers please)

I also started P4G last month. Its way more charming than I could have ever imagined.

The only bad thing is missables and missable trophies and fuck you book trophy how I was supposed to know that you need specific answer or you miss a book, now I have to try to do Max S.Links and books on NG+ at same time.
 

cheez124

Member
glad you're enjoying it OP! P4G is one of my favorite games ever. i remember being unsure about getting it because of the whole "anime" aesthetic, but my brother insisted it was a good game so i took the plunge. completely fell in love with the characters, setting, and the social link system. now, i'm halfway through persona 3 fes and eagerly awaiting P5

also chie is best girl
 
Just roll with it op. Don't try to max everything if you find it hard, chill with who you like. New game plus makes that challenge a lot easier. Was one of the first RPGs that had a likeable cast that was in a modern setting. Yukiko was the worst character for me and only stuck around for her combat abilities.
 
Managed to rescue Kanji in a single day. I don't know if it's because I'm playing hard mode but damn if that fight wasn't annoying. The sub boss, the big Daring Gigas, went down because I used a physical mirror on the exact character he targeted.

I joined the drama club, which hilariously had the same horrendously skewed gender ratio I've seen in real life. The girl you meet is super bossy - I like her.
 

Kthulhu

Member
Managed to rescue Kanji in a single day. I don't know if it's because I'm playing hard mode but damn if that fight wasn't annoying. The sub boss, the big Daring Gigas, went down because I used a physical mirror on the exact character he targeted.

I joined the drama club, which hilariously had the same horrendously skewed gender ratio I've seen in real life. The girl you meet is super bossy - I like her.

Shadow Kanji was a pain for me too. Kinda glad I never have to do that again.
 

Zambayoshi

Member
Chie is sassy but awkward. Which is why it's all
Rise
all the time, for me. Sassy and self-assured but just that touch vulnerable.
 

Kthulhu

Member
Chie is sassy but awkward. Which is why it's all
Rise
all the time, for me. Sassy and self-assured but just that touch vulnerable.

I'm personally a fan of Marie's teen angst. Plus I just love her design.

Chie is my second favorite though and Rise the third.
 

RainForce

Banned
I never got that feeling about Yukiko at all, at least as far as the intent with her goes. Generic "Yamato Nadeshiko" with a laughing disorder maybe, but hardly something the game is pushing you towards in the romance options.
 
Just finished the execution of Yosuke's "up close and personal" plan. I was cackling throughout the whole thing, so much it triggered coughing fits. The fact that Kenji ended up with a hooker's number and you get chewed out by a jealous boyfriend was hilarious. Yosuke's scream when the girl destroyed his bike also made me chuckle. The guy can't catch a break.

Thr notion that you can just show up looking cool and girls will just fall into your lap is such a teenage thing. I myself had similarly moronic notions at that age.
 

Meia

Member
I also started P4G last month. Its way more charming than I could have ever imagined.

The only bad thing is missables and missable trophies and fuck you book trophy how I was supposed to know that you need specific answer or you miss a book, now I have to try to do Max S.Links and books on NG+ at same time.


Thankfully if you were after the platinum trophy, you NEED to do a full second run of the game anyway, so it's not too big of a deal, really. Even more when you discover that your social stats(knowledge, etc) carry over on a game +, leaving you with pretty much nothing but time to do social links anyway. :)


The game is truly one of the most charming experiences ever, if you can dig the battle system anyway. The divide between gameplay and social is perfect I think, and since RPGs are all about their characters(to me), it's why the game is in my top 3. Enjoy it, you can only play through it for your first time once. :p
 

FSLink

Banned
I just went back to this game too to go for a Max S. Link run.

Love it.

But it definitely feels dated in a lot of ways after playing Persona 5. So just know it only gets better from here!
 

nateify

Member
I just beat this game last week after buying a PS TV solely for it! Love this game to death, still on my mind but I'm taking a long breather till I start my NG+ and max out all links. Unfortunately I did not get the "truest" ending on my first run.

I just didn't wanna hang out with Marie ok?!
 
I'm having a little bit of trouble with Shadow Rise. Each attack is absolutely devastating and she casts fire break / ice break every time you switch to a persona with the suitable resistance. Do I just need to level up some more? My party is currently sitting at between level 27 - 29.

The limiting factor for dungeon runs right now seems to be SP. With no cheap/reliable way to replenish SP, I'm a sitting duck once my characters burn through it and at my levels I'm absolutely dependent on the judicious use of elemental weaknesses and status effects. Is it that I'm playing hard mode so the SP replenishing drops / cards are rarer or less effective?

Does anyone know how you trigger shuffle time more often (other than a run of sweeps of course)? I am just loving the skill upgrade card. I have Mediarama earlier than expected and it's really handy.
 

NullMoon

Neo Member
I'm having a little bit of trouble with Shadow Rise. Each attack is absolutely devastating and she casts fire break / ice break every time you switch to a persona with the suitable resistance. Do I just need to level up some more? My party is currently sitting at between level 27 - 29.

The limiting factor for dungeon runs right now seems to be SP. With no cheap/reliable way to replenish SP, I'm a sitting duck once my characters burn through it and at my levels I'm absolutely dependent on the judicious use of elemental weaknesses and status effects. Is it that I'm playing hard mode so the SP replenishing drops / cards are rarer or less effective?

Does anyone know how you trigger shuffle time more often (other than a run of sweeps of course)? I am just loving the skill upgrade card. I have Mediarama earlier than expected and it's really handy.
Have you established the Hermit social link yet?
It's the fox at the shrine. If you have he folllows you into the TV and he can replenish your Health and SP for a price. It's expensive just to let you know.
Also, if you are struggling with Shadow Rise I suggest leveling up a bit. with out spoiling anything just know the Shadow Rise fight is a prelude to a diffrent obstacle and if you aren't prepared it can prove quite a challenge to you.

Edit: Not sure if you can right now or you want to, but you can try to fuse Kaiwan. On certain days check the Fusion Forecast (Skills have a chance to change into another skill) if you fuse Kaiwan his skill Tetrakarn has a chance to become Victory Cry (Fully Refills SP after Battle) or any other High level skill like Mediarahan (Completely Heals all party members). It Makes the game easier so I suggest waiting for New Game + for it since the trick can yeild OP skills. But it is a option.
 

Jachaos

Member
I'm having a little bit of trouble with Shadow Rise. Each attack is absolutely devastating and she casts fire break / ice break every time you switch to a persona with the suitable resistance. Do I just need to level up some more? My party is currently sitting at between level 27 - 29.

The limiting factor for dungeon runs right now seems to be SP. With no cheap/reliable way to replenish SP, I'm a sitting duck once my characters burn through it and at my levels I'm absolutely dependent on the judicious use of elemental weaknesses and status effects. Is it that I'm playing hard mode so the SP replenishing drops / cards are rarer or less effective?

Does anyone know how you trigger shuffle time more often (other than a run of sweeps of course)? I am just loving the skill upgrade card. I have Mediarama earlier than expected and it's really handy.

Maybe level up a bit, usually you don't really need to grind on the lower difficulties or even Normal, but on Hard you might need to level up a bit (keep in mind I don't remember what level you should be around that fight).

Also, see if you can fuse a Persona of a social link you're pretty advanced in. You'll get it higher level'd from the start.

Keep in mind that for the main character, only your HP/SP is tied to your actual level. Your defense, attack, speed, evasion, everything else basically, that's all tied to the Persona you currently have equipped. So if you're level 29 but running with a low-level Izanagi or something, you're actually low-level.

Also, use Debuffs/Buffs if possible! Reducing the enemy attack, defense, hit/evasion is crucial. Rakunda for example is very useful. All of your attacks will deal 1.5x for 3 turns. These are some of the most important skills, especially against bosses.
 

Meia

Member
I'm having a little bit of trouble with Shadow Rise. Each attack is absolutely devastating and she casts fire break / ice break every time you switch to a persona with the suitable resistance. Do I just need to level up some more? My party is currently sitting at between level 27 - 29.

The limiting factor for dungeon runs right now seems to be SP. With no cheap/reliable way to replenish SP, I'm a sitting duck once my characters burn through it and at my levels I'm absolutely dependent on the judicious use of elemental weaknesses and status effects. Is it that I'm playing hard mode so the SP replenishing drops / cards are rarer or less effective?

Does anyone know how you trigger shuffle time more often (other than a run of sweeps of course)? I am just loving the skill upgrade card. I have Mediarama earlier than expected and it's really handy.


You're under leveled at the moment.


The main thing to keep in mind in terms of your level is to keep your personas up to date as well. If your main character is level 29 and you're using a level 18 persona, your character is going to have stats like a level 18 character, which means you'll be doing less damage and taking more damage than you should. Gold Hands are a great tool to fast leveling if you haven't been killing them yet, but they're kind of tricky as the only thing that does full damage to one is an Almighty attack(either a Megido branch spell or an All Out Attack). Keep in mind items that do damage do what it says to them, so early on it's neat to buy firecrackers/ice cubes from the store and use them to easily kill the shadows. After that, Chie is a beast with high crit rate Black Spots to knock down them one at a time to fish for an all out attack, since you don't get access to Megido until the mid-30s.


I think OP for the Shadow Rise fight I almost always had a Ganga on me, since it has pretty good nullifcation stats and high magic, plus mediarama. Failing that, you don't want to access that fight unless Yukiko has either Mediarama or Media + Divine Grace.



For SP, there's a few tricks you can do that I probably should have mentioned earlier. One vending machine by the item shop sells TAP soda, which restores 10 SP per use(can buy 5 at a time, machine recharges each week). The other vending machine all the way at the end of the district sells 3 different sodas, each restoring 5 SP per use(same 5 weekly limit, though the machine can give you bonus ones based on RNG). You should also be planting Tomato Seeds at your home garden to get Tiny Soul Tomatoes, which restore 20 SP per(get 3 a harvest iirc). Leveling up the Hermit social link helps a great deal since it lowers the cost per SP of the fox inside the dungeon, but more than that, pay attention to the mood of the fox before you decide to run a dungeon for a day(can only tell by talking to it inside). If it is happy(*yip*), costs will be reduced by a bit for his services that day. If it's normal(...), costs will be normal. If it is unhappy(*growl*), costs will be increased by a bit for his services for a day.



Failing ALL of that, if you want an easy way to restore SP go back to an early dungeon, avoid fights, and just loot treasure chests as they can contain SP recovery items. If you have a persona with Invigorate on them, you can restore SP by getting in fights and just auto-attacking. Difficulty just means you're taking more damage/doing less damage for the most part, and you HAVE to constantly keep the enemy off balance or you can find yourself dead very quickly. Hard on a first playthrough is really hard, especially if you're not familiar with how the game works.


For Shuffle-time, the only way to increase it seems to be to at least kill one enemy in the fight with an All Out Attack. It's not 100% from what I've seen, but I don't remember a time I finished a fight with an All Out and didn't get Shuffle Time. Also don't forget to eat exp/gold/item penalties to ensure you keep getting Shuffle Time.
 
First off, Chie is the WORST
Secondly, there's a Golden-exclusive dungeon that you get for maxing out the S-Link for Marie (anything else I mention is a spoiler, so I won't be any more descriptive). To be honest, the dungeon itself isn't very fun, but it's worth seeing once, if you have the free time to max Marie's S-Link.
Third, concentrate on your party's S-Links when you can. They learn more abilities, and get extra neat bonuses for max level.
EDIT: Fourth, learn to use status buffs. At Kanji's dungeon and beyond, they become more and more important.
 

pgharavi

Banned
Funny timing. I'm taking a quick break after beating the final boss as I type this. I presume (hope?) lengthy narrative is incoming, so I just needed to put it down for a quick few minutes.

Before I go back, it's funny to remember that I posted the following in the "what jrpg are you playing?" thread about six weeks ago:

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I got the PSTV for [P4G] and I had (and still have) a really hard time getting into [it]. I may have to give up on it, as I think I was at 10-12 hours before I stopped (which is a thing I never really do - [when I'm that far in, I'm usually all-in]).

I'm not certain where I fall in the casual/die-hard JRPG spectrum, but Chrono Trigger and FFVI are tied as my #1 game of all-time. I've played all the FFs and thought Ni no Kuni was pretty good. I owned and finished Wild Arms and Suikoden back on the PSOne.

I want to like it, but maybe it's the setting? :\

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Well, lol, 160+ hours later one my first (and only) playthrough,
wow
. And as I said, I'm literally about to commence the
true ending
so I'm confident the narrative wrap-up will be rewarding.

Of course, I have a bunch of comments (and some criticisms), but I'll need to come back for that.
 

Kirye

Member
I loved reading your thoughts on the game as you're still early and have similar theories to what I had going through the game. I replay the game once a year but it's definitely not the same anymore compared to my first time.

I miss not knowing what to expect from this game. :( Glad you're enjoying it though!
 
The Persona stats are your stats thing makes a lot of sense in retrospect - it's why your own stat page only lists HP and SP. I'll have to keep that in mind.

The Personas I'm using at the moment range from level 22 to 29. They're Sheesa (sp?), Hua Po, Unicorn and High Pixie. High Pixie is my MVP. I "bred" her from a Jack Frost and has Ice Break and Ice Boost, so she actually hits harder with Mabufu than with Zionga. I'll have to level up some more so I can fuse a few stronger demons personas.

I already unlocked the fox, and yes, his services are super expensive. Did it once, then never again.
 
I can't wait until you learn some more things about the characters. Things are not as they may appear on the surface level with a couple of them that you mentioned.
 

bobawesome

Member
There are two types of people in the world, OP. Those who pick Chie and idiots.

True that.

Chie is a Trump supporter though.

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Oh boy. If you think the game is pushing you towards Yukiko as the girl of choice, just wait until you play further. That's all I'll say. I'd love to see how/if your opinions change later on.

I also think you need to go back and play Persona 3 Portable if you can't get a hand on P3 FES. That game is just as amazing if not better than P4.
 

Kain

Member
Rise
is best girl, I thought the interwebz had established that.

Lucky you, OP, you're in for one of the best, if not the best, jrpg experiences ever. Once you enjoy everything the game has you'll understand the hype for P5.
 
Oh boy. If you think the game is pushing you towards Yukiko as the girl of choice, just wait until you play further. That's all I'll say. I'd love to see how/if your opinions change later on.

I also think you need to go back and play Persona 3 Portable if you can't get a hand on P3 FES. That game is just as amazing if not better than P4.
I'll have a much better chance of finishing it if it's portable.

I will say that Rise has the others beat in terms of looks (which is sort of the point, I guess), which may be why people here are implying she's popular, but I am having a hard time gauging who she is as a character. So far, she just seems like somebody in a funk.

Speaking of funks, Kou and the girl from Drama club have it rough and seem to be of a thoughtful bent. If they were real people I'd try to set them up on a blind date or something.
 

RevenWolf

Member
I'll have a much better chance of finishing it if it's portable.

I will say that Rise has the others beat in terms of looks (which is sort of the point, I guess), which may be why people here are implying she's popular, but I am having a hard time gauging who she is as a character. So far, she just seems like somebody in a funk.

Speaking of funks, Kou and the girl from Drama club have it rough and seem to be of a thoughtful bent. If they were real people I'd try to set them up on a blind date or something.

I recently finished this game (like last week) I've maxed s-link on a good chunk of characters, and I can honestly say that the romance/character subplots are all so varied and genuinely human I'm planning multiple playthroughs to get through each one.

Even the seemingly shallowest characters destroy 99.9% of other video game characters I can think of and a big chunk of other characters in other medias too.

I genuinely wish I could forget this game when I restart it because going through it blind was legitimately magical and will remain one of my favourite gaming experiences.
 

GeNoMe

Member
I started playing a month ago as well OP. Bought myself a second hand Vita and immediately bought P4G. I'm liking the game more than I anticipated, it has a lot of mystery surrounding it with for example the velvet room and all things surrounding it.

Right now I'm in the sauna/bathhouse part of the game. Thanks for creating this thread, it made me pick it up again. I was kinda side tracked playing other games in my backlog.
 
Oh boy OP are you in for a ride!
Firstly never assume the game is pushing you towards a character for the relationship, this game is so well written all characters have hidden depths that will have you fall in love with them as you spend time with them!

Go everywhere and talk to everyone!

Breed Persona's! get good at it and the recipes for them - some of the god like ones are amazing end game, even some you had at the beginning can be made epic in the late game, but takes some work

Warning! this game has more than one ending, so save the game and experience them and reload to continue the story

I still can't decide on who is the best girl for me, Chie is amazing, Rise is endearing and
Naoto seems like the best choice to me, both outsiders from the big city, surprisingly heartwarming love story between her. But then Kanji and her seems fitting too


Think i want to replay the game now you've talked about it
 
Persona 4 and especially its characters are something out of this world (in quality, while ironically being singularly grounded and relatable). The offbeat, likable cousin to Persona 3's slicker, darker atmosphere, it was its characters that made me love it more in the end. Truly such a special game in all the right places.

Even the seemingly shallowest characters destroy 99.9% of other video game characters I can think of and a big chunk of other characters in other medias too.

So true. This game is the poster child for Hidden Depths. I can't believe I actually ended up relating to
Ai Ebihara
, I disliked her so much at first.
 

RevenWolf

Member
Persona 4 and especially its characters are something out of this world (in quality, while ironically being singularly grounded and relatable). The offbeat, likable cousin to Persona 3's slicker, darker atmosphere, it was its characters that made me love it more in the end. Truly such a special game in all the right places.



So true. This game is the poster child for Hidden Depths. I can't believe I actually ended up relating to
Ai Ebihara
, I disliked her so much at first.

That is such a perfect example to be honest!
 
Beat Shadow Rise last night. She was a bit of a challenge with a party around level 32 and I thought all was well. Then they pulled the rug out from under me and I had to fight Shadow Teddie. Luckily I had a Persona that nullified ice attacks, so it wasn't so bad, survival-wise. It just took ages.

Do the characters you don't use get experience at all? I left Kenji behind because he was a few good levels ahead of the rest of the party, but the sheer grind of Marakyu Lounge meant that they sailed right past him. Is it worth levelling everyone or is it better to just stick with a core team?

Rise seems a little flat so far, personality wise.
 
Beat Shadow Rise last night. She was a bit of a challenge with a party around level 32 and I thought all was well. Then they pulled the rug out from under me and I had to fight Shadow Teddie. Luckily I had a Persona that nullified ice attacks, so it wasn't so bad, survival-wise. It just took ages.

Do the characters you don't use get experience at all? I left Kenji behind because he was a few good levels ahead of the rest of the party, but the sheer grind of Marakyu Lounge meant that they sailed right past him. Is it worth levelling everyone or is it better to just stick with a core team?

Rise seems a little flat so far, personality wise.

It's best to try and keep everyone around the same level. Dungeon length is going to get to a point where sometimes it is best to have two teams, or have a certain party member ready at all times because of a elemental weakness or what have you.
 
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