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Lucas on 60 minutes now...
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7pm cbs
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/10/60minutes/main679325.shtml
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/10/60minutes/main679325.shtml
:lol George you so crazy :lol
DarthWoo said:
It looked beyond silly. I'm holding out hope the rest of the fight sequence doesn't look like there.
I mean, I really don't think it should be a dick-waving contest as the fight with Maul was in Episode I. These two persons know each other, they're friends, they feel betrayed, upset, angry, etc. It should just be very intense and angry.
Willco said:
Yeah I was like WTF is up with that shit. Reminded me of the scene in Indiania Jones, when Indy pulls out his gun and shoots the guy, twirling his sword around. I'm waiting for Harrison Ford to step out and pop both of them, then turn around and walk off like nothing happened. :lol
I don't care if it's the beginning, middle or end. It's just lame. This was like a PR campaign by Lucas to somehow kill all the hype.
I thought the funniest part of the interview was when he said he'd like to make small films that nobody will like.
As opposed to say, big films nobody likes?
I thought the funniest part of the interview was when he said he'd like to make small films that nobody will like.
As opposed to say, big films nobody likes?
soundwave05
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I think the spinning sabers thing probably looks so lame because they're so close together.
Its might make sense somewhat if they did that standing more than a few feet apart, but when they're toe to toe it looks goofy and pretty unrealistic. It's like two boxers shadow boxing right in front of each other.
Its might make sense somewhat if they did that standing more than a few feet apart, but when they're toe to toe it looks goofy and pretty unrealistic. It's like two boxers shadow boxing right in front of each other.
Warm Machine
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So what, they spin their sabers in a single shot. We have no idea what the context is.
The Grevious shot is an animatic and not production animation or rendering. Pretty well everything they showed outside of shots from the trailer was animatic.
The Grevious shot is an animatic and not production animation or rendering. Pretty well everything they showed outside of shots from the trailer was animatic.
soundwave05
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Yeah I guess they could be having a dance off with their lightsabers or something :lol
Anyways I wouldn't worry about the lightsaber battle even if that little bit does come off as a tad silly. The lightsaber fights in the prequels have been well done, the bigger question is the acting, dialouge, emotion, etc.
They didn't really show much new footage, unlike in 1999 when they showed a lot of new Episode I stuff. But then again in 1999, I think the entire hour was devoted to Lucas.
Anyways I wouldn't worry about the lightsaber battle even if that little bit does come off as a tad silly. The lightsaber fights in the prequels have been well done, the bigger question is the acting, dialouge, emotion, etc.
They didn't really show much new footage, unlike in 1999 when they showed a lot of new Episode I stuff. But then again in 1999, I think the entire hour was devoted to Lucas.
soundwave05
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BTW, there seems to be a "comic relief" sequence there with R2 getting attacked by some spider-like space robot, but it appears that R2-D2 is on Obi-Wan's fighter ... that's gonna drive the continunity experts crazy.
I think the theory that Obi-Wan is simply playing "aloof" and pretending not to recoginize R2 or 3PO is probably going to be the more likely one even if its never explained in the movies.
It always make me chuckle a bit how 60 Minutes (and other news organizations) always seem to use stock phrases like "George Lucas and his technical wizards at ILM", I think Mad TV did a spoof on that a few years ago.
I think the theory that Obi-Wan is simply playing "aloof" and pretending not to recoginize R2 or 3PO is probably going to be the more likely one even if its never explained in the movies.
It always make me chuckle a bit how 60 Minutes (and other news organizations) always seem to use stock phrases like "George Lucas and his technical wizards at ILM", I think Mad TV did a spoof on that a few years ago.
I dunno. I personally hate the lightsaber duels in the prequels (outside of Qui-Gon versus Darth Maul both times).. too much pizazz.
Although technically weaker (and this makes sense), Luke's lightsaber duels packed so much more emotion and effort... Like he knew that each blow could end him or his opponent. In the prequels everyone has their own fighting styles.. and while I appreciate that it comes off as people using way too much excessive motion/movements - and not just excessive but useless.
Luke versus Darth Vader was raw every time and I loved that.. but the prequel fights are just fencing.. too choreographed, you know?
That said, I dig Sam Jackson's Mace fighting style from what I saw of it in Ep. II.
But I loathe both Anakin's and Obi Wan's. How many times are you going to twirl that laser beam around Ewan?
Although technically weaker (and this makes sense), Luke's lightsaber duels packed so much more emotion and effort... Like he knew that each blow could end him or his opponent. In the prequels everyone has their own fighting styles.. and while I appreciate that it comes off as people using way too much excessive motion/movements - and not just excessive but useless.
Luke versus Darth Vader was raw every time and I loved that.. but the prequel fights are just fencing.. too choreographed, you know?
That said, I dig Sam Jackson's Mace fighting style from what I saw of it in Ep. II.
But I loathe both Anakin's and Obi Wan's. How many times are you going to twirl that laser beam around Ewan?
IAmtheFMan
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soundwave05 said:
R2's on Anakin's fighter; R4 is Obi-Wan's. And also, there's been minimal contact b/t Obi-Wan and 3PO/R2 in the prequels thus far.
Warm Machine
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Willco said:
I could pull clips from any Raimi movie and without context people would think it was exploitation b-movie junk. End of discussion.
soundwave05 said:
Doesn't he just say "I never owned a droid" in the first movie? Luke questions whether they belong to him, basically, he doesn't ask if he recognizes them. Nevermind the fact that there are several droids that look identical or nearly identical to both in the Star Wars universe.
soundwave05
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I love the Darth Maul/Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan lightsaber battle, its the one thing Lucas IMO hit outta the park.
The thing about Episode II which was somewhat dissapointing is its not really satisfying to see a Jedi slice down those Trade Federation droids, which is what most of the Jedi were doing in AOTC. And Jango Fett really was woefully overmatched against Mace Windu (or any Jedi for that matter).
I'm not saying I want to see a blood bath, but a battle with a tougher foe in AOTC would've been better.
Too bad Lucas didn't pay homage to Seven Samurai and set the end of AOTC in a rain storm with tougher enemies (instead we got kind of a cartoony Ray Haryhausen sequence).
The thing about Episode II which was somewhat dissapointing is its not really satisfying to see a Jedi slice down those Trade Federation droids, which is what most of the Jedi were doing in AOTC. And Jango Fett really was woefully overmatched against Mace Windu (or any Jedi for that matter).
I'm not saying I want to see a blood bath, but a battle with a tougher foe in AOTC would've been better.
Too bad Lucas didn't pay homage to Seven Samurai and set the end of AOTC in a rain storm with tougher enemies (instead we got kind of a cartoony Ray Haryhausen sequence).
soundwave05
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BTW watching that sequence again (the lightsabers spinning), it looks like it *could* be a training bit, but they seem to really go at it afterwards, and Obi-Wan seems to be under considerable duress, so I dunno, it could also be the beginning of the duel.
It looks like Obi-Wan actually says R2's name there (in the sequence when he's in his Jedi starfighter over Coruscant). Stuff like that doesn't bother me, but I probably will drive some other people nuts.
It looks like Obi-Wan actually says R2's name there (in the sequence when he's in his Jedi starfighter over Coruscant). Stuff like that doesn't bother me, but I probably will drive some other people nuts.
IAmtheFMan
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soundwave05 said:
Yeah. AOTC was definitely the weakest in terms of swordplay. I think that Sith will more than make up for that (as well as the complete lack of a huge-ass space battle in the prequels too.)
soundwave05
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BTW, though I will say Mustafar (the lava planet) looks and sounds *great*.
The environment seems to have a real "atmosphere" and sense of "weight" to it, I felt Geonosis was too "flat" and didn't feel like a real place. It felt like a toy playset brought to life.
The space battle stuff looks cool too.
The big thing that sucks about the prequel lightsaber battles is because of the "only 2 Sith" rule we'll never see a big battle between several Jedi and Sith (imagine 4 or 5 Darth Maul types against 4 or 5 Mace Windu types) at the same time. I think a lot of people were looking forward to seeing something like that from the prequels.
The environment seems to have a real "atmosphere" and sense of "weight" to it, I felt Geonosis was too "flat" and didn't feel like a real place. It felt like a toy playset brought to life.
The space battle stuff looks cool too.
The big thing that sucks about the prequel lightsaber battles is because of the "only 2 Sith" rule we'll never see a big battle between several Jedi and Sith (imagine 4 or 5 Darth Maul types against 4 or 5 Mace Windu types) at the same time. I think a lot of people were looking forward to seeing something like that from the prequels.
IAmtheFMan
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There's this pretty cool webdoc on SW.com (I think that one's still under Hyperspace lockdown) but it basically details some of the model work that they did on EP:3; the Kasshykk trees, which in scale are absolutely huge, the Utapau sinkhole which looked kinda cool, and the Mustafar planet surface, lava river, and mountains. It looked REALLY cool especially when they got the lava flowing.
soundwave05
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Kasshykk looks really good too.
Kinda like a mix between the Naboo wilderness areas and Endor.
The natural environments just seem a bit more realistic this time out, which is a good thing.
Kinda like a mix between the Naboo wilderness areas and Endor.
The natural environments just seem a bit more realistic this time out, which is a good thing.
You liked the Tatooine duel between Qui-Gon and Darth Maul? That was lame as hell. Lucas barely showed anything and in the long shots from the cockpit it didn't even convincingly look like their sabers were making contact with each swing. Plus, what could be lamer than Qui-Gon's little jump to escape?Iceman said:
That duel couldn't have been more disappointing. It failed at everything except for Maul's entrance.
soundwave05
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The "twirling" isn't a bad idea, it gives the audience that "awwwww shit, lets get ready to ruuuuuuuuuummmmmmble!!!!!" moment, it just looks stupid because they're so close together that if either one had the common sense, they probably could've take out the other's knee.
Oh well. That fight should still probably rock. The lightsaber battles themselves have been relatively well done in the prequels.
Oh well. That fight should still probably rock. The lightsaber battles themselves have been relatively well done in the prequels.
Dan said:
Oh, no doubt it was disappointing. I wish it went on for more than just a few seconds. I thought it was the most promising battle of the whole movie: Darth Maul in a cloak, kicking up dust in the desert.. It was the first time we saw Maul fight and he looked insane from that brief duel.. like there was no way Qui-Gon could take him. Good thing he sneaked away, IMO.
android said:
You are assuming that Obi-Wan wants to kill Anakin. From him screaming in the trailer "you were the chosen one" I think there will be considerable debate as to whether the intent of Obi-Wan will be to kill or disable.
Then again, Im staying as spoiler free as possible until May (My choices for viewing are either Korea, New Zealand or LA, since Japanese release is in July. Probably New Zealand as I might have a translation gig for a DJ friend of mine who has some bookings there)
Yes, Obi-Wan's intent could be either,tetsuoxb said:
but if Obi-wan is there to fight Anakin, in the final battle where he is almost killed
Are you referring to that huge photo of Maul leaping at Obi-Wan in the desert? IIRC, that was a photo for Variety Fair and didn't have anything to do with the story. I could be wrong as it's been a long time, but I believe that was just composed for Variety Fair.Substance said:
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