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[Fuchsdh]

^I think there definitely will be. Or definitely should be, to 8GB of RAM, at least.

I love the idea of a Mac Mini for my parents, but my only problem is it's a desktop with a lifespan of a notebook (three years with an extended warranty). Meanwhile, their 6-year old small-form factor HP desktop has had literally every part on it die at one point or the other, and since it's been out of warranty, outside of Mobo and CPU, I have slowly been replacing each dying part with a part that would be right at home on a high-end workstation/gaming rig.

I would love to get them on OS X, or Windows 8.1, but I'm worried that 8.1 is going to be too much of a change for them, and it would be nice to get them completely into the Apple ecosystem, especially for things like iPhoto, Contacts, etc.

Not sure where you're getting a three year lifespan. If all your parents do is surf the web or word process/account/productivity any computer you buy now will last a lot longer than three years.

I used to go by the adage of buying a completely new machine every four years because that's what the business demanded but these days I'm still doing billable work on an old 2008 Mac Pro and it's quite snappy still.

 

[fireside]

My 2006 first generation MacBook still works fine for web browsing and word processing.

 

[CrudeDiatribe]

these days I'm still doing billable work on an old 2008 Mac Pro and it's quite snappy still.

You have an SSD in yours like I do, right?

It makes such a huge difference.

 

[bionic77]

Checked out a MBA last night. Really nice machine.

I'm interested but to spec it how I want it becomes pretty expensive (256, 8GB, Applecare). Think there's any chance they might bump the minimum spec model (128GB, 4GB) at the next refresh?

Or is anyone getting by just fine with 128GB/4GB?

I would upgrade the ram and use a external HD for media and photos. But if that is going to be your primary computer and you have a lot of media 128 or even 256 is going to get old fast.

A friend is asking for recommendations on a low priced PC mainly for browsing, office work, etc.

I'm thinking of recommending this:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/FD387LL/A/refurbished-mac-mini-25ghz-dual-core-intel-core-i5

Are the Mac Minis considered pretty good?

iMac might be a better deal if they want to splurge a bit more.

But if they already have a good monitor the mini is nice as well. Just make sure they get the SSD or Fusion Drive.

My 2006 first generation MacBook still works fine for web browsing and word processing.

My 2006 MBP still works for web browsing and word processing but it was getting a little chunky. And forget having too many programs or tabs open at the same time. Not enough ram and those Core Duo processors are pretty ancient at this point.

The monitor is still gorgeous though.

 

[Fuchsdh]

You have an SSD in yours like I do, right?

It makes such a huge difference.

On my home computer, yeah. On my work comp, just a stock 7200

Sadly SSDs don't help me much there because so much of our storage is NAS based. I could make my boot and scratch SSDs but the bottleneck is my render locations are still over a network. I feel like I'd burn through my SSDs if I used them as cache too--so many writes every day would probably kill its lifespan.

 

[fireside]

My 2006 MBP still works for web browsing and word processing but it was getting a little chunky. And forget having too many programs or tabs open at the same time. Not enough ram and those Core Duo processors are pretty ancient at this point.

The monitor is still gorgeous though.

Definitely chunky, but the idea that "notebooks last 3 years" is kind of silly.

On my home computer, yeah. On my work comp, just a stock 7200

Sadly SSDs don't help me much there because so much of our storage is NAS based. I could make my boot and scratch SSDs but the bottleneck is my render locations are still over a network. I feel like I'd burn through my SSDs if I used them as cache too--so many writes every day would probably kill its lifespan.

I'd imagine that you would still see a difference with a SSD as the boot disk for application and system responsiveness.

 

[The Real Abed]

For a casual-use desktop, a cheap used 2010+ 21.5" iMac is pretty much perfect. Come to think of it, even a pre-2010, Core 2 Duo model would do for light use. I'm sure those would be available in your friend's price range.

I'm still hoping for a sleek Air inspired redesign of the Mac mini with a small SSD base option (64-128GB to keep cost down), a Haswell (Or if later this year, Broadwell) and HD 5100 GPU and 8GB RAM for $600-700 at most baseline. I need one to replace my super slow HDD based 2010 mini. Kill the damn HDD in these things. USB3 and TB2 and nominal RAM and a small SSD will be perfect enough for my Mac mini server.

2014 Mac mini with those specs will be amazing. Let me throw my money at you, Apple. If not, then I guess I'll be doing surgery on my 2010 model to replace the HDD in this thing.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Not sure where you're getting a three year lifespan. If all your parents do is surf the web or word process/account/productivity any computer you buy now will last a lot longer than three years.

I used to go by the adage of buying a completely new machine every four years because that's what the business demanded but these days I'm still doing billable work on an old 2008 Mac Pro and it's quite snappy still.

Because parts fail like it's their job.

 

[Deku Tree]

Because parts fail like it's their job.

I've never had a Mac with parts failing outside of the HDD. They do fail sometimes. But you make it seem like it happens all the time for everybody. That hasn't been my experience.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Because parts fail like it's their job.

I've never had a Mac with parts failing outside of the HDD. They do fail sometimes. But you make it seem like it happens all the time for everybody. That hasn't been my experience.

Yep. My 2008 MBP had a bad graphics card, faulty replacement battery and a logic board get fried.

As far as desktops? In 20 years of ownership and seven Macs I have had zero Apple hardware failures. Keep in mind that I was using computers that were by the time I touched them, nearly eight years old. Still no issues. Worst I've dealt with was bad aftermarket RAM and the hazards of me being an idiot and running a defrag during a thunderstorm

 

[Servbot24]

I have never heard of a Mac dying in 3 years. Or 6 to be quite honest.

 

[The Real Abed]

My 2007 MacBook started falling apart before its first year ended. And by the middle of its third had completely crumbled. It just so happens that I didn't buy AppleCare for it.

It first developed the cracks in the palm rest. These were fixed the first time under warranty.
It formed them again out of warranty.
It would shut itself off when it overheated. Which was all the time. I couldn't watch internet videos for the longest time without living in fear of sudden termination.
The fan would make a loud grinding noise that got worse the faster it spun, which was depending on the temperature.

It annoyed the shit out of my girlfriend at the time, who owned the same model.

I had to wait a long time for the 2010 MacBook Pro's to be released so I could replace it. It was a long noisy time. The day the 2010 Pro's came out was a wonderful day. Well, a few days after that day was a wonderful day since I had to wait for it to arrive.

It's in a box in pieces now.

 

[Silkworm]

I've mentioned earlier in this thread that I recently purchased a refurbished MacBook Pro. The model I got is a 15-inch, Mid 2012 with a 2.3 GHz inetl Core i7. It comes with 4 GB 1600 MHz DDR3. I'm contemplating expanding it up to its max 8 GB 1600MHz DDR3 [(PC3-12800) - 2x4GB]. Is there any advantage of buying this memory directly from Apple or would buying it from some other vendor work just as well (and cost about half as much)? I assume buying it from other supplier than Apple should be fine but I thought I'd ask just in case. If not through Apple, is there any particular recommended supplier of this type of memory? Quickly looking at Amazon, I see good reviews for Corsair Vengeance 8 GB module which runs for about $100. Anyway, maybe this sort of thing is idiot proof (upgrading RAM on a MacBook Pro) but I'd feel safer with an informed second opinion. Thanks!

 

[kennah]

That model can actually take 16 gigs. Just get whatever you can find cheap. You want two sticks of 8gig ddr3 1600 SODIMM. Kingston, Corsair, gskill an patriot are all good.

 

[Silkworm]

That model can actually take 16 gigs. Just get whatever you can find cheap. You want two sticks of 8gig ddr3 1600 SODIMM. Kingston, Corsair, gskill an patriot are all good.

Thanks for that info, kennah. I had assumed 8 GB was the maximum due to what options I found at Apple's website for this model. However in light of your response, I see now that it can support up to 16 GB. Apparently it can use up to 16 GB of RAM, it's just that officially this isn't supported by Apple. More options is always nice (4 GB RAM is sluggish which is what I had to work with on my prior work purchased MacBook Pro, so I'd like to upgrade my current one with 8 or 16 GB).

 

[kennah]

Thanks for that info, kennah. I had assumed 8 GB was the maximum due to what options I found at Apple's website for this model. However in light of your response, I see now that it can support up to 16 GB. Apparently it can use up to 16 GB of RAM, it's just that officially this isn't supported by Apple. More options is always nice (4 GB RAM is sluggish which is what I had to work with on my prior work purchased MacBook Pro, so I'd like to upgrade my current one with 8 or 16 GB).

Yeah, almost all of their models have 'unofficial' supported RAM. Best way to tell is to look up your model number on everymac. Shows what the chipset can actually take advantage of.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Yeah, almost all of their models have 'unofficial' supported RAM. Best way to tell is to look up your model number on everymac. Shows what the chipset can actually take advantage of.

The lower numbers are also often because Apple releases a computer before DIMMs of a doubled capacity were available.

 

[Sec0nd]

Hi guys, some Macbook troubles.

My gf her 2011 13" Macbook Pro is having some serious issues. It crashes a lot when she moves it around and often gives the 3 beep 'no good banks' warning. She brought it to the Apple store where they cleaned it and looked at everything and didn't really see a problem (expect from the insane dirt inside the system). Anyway, she still has the issue. We even replaced the RAM with some old RAM of mine and it still crashes. Any idea what might be causing all these crashes?

 

[TUSR]

Hi guys, some Macbook troubles.

My gf her 2011 13" Macbook Pro is having some serious issues. It crashes a lot when she moves it around and often gives the 3 beep 'no good banks' warning. She brought it to the Apple store where they cleaned it and looked at everything and didn't really see a problem (expect from the insane dirt inside the system). Anyway, she still has the issue. We even replaced the RAM with some old RAM of mine and it still crashes. Any idea what might be causing all these crashes?

Hard drive

Which is weird since banks referring to ram.

 

[Kjellson]

I've got a question for you Apple guys. Thinking of getting a MacBook Air but I've heard a new one might be coming this summer. Are they going to show a new one or is it just rumors?

 

[Deku Tree]

I've got a question for you Apple guys. Thinking of getting a MacBook Air but I've heard a new one might be coming this summer. Are they going to show a new one or is it just rumors?

In the past few years a new one has always hit in the summer so...

 

[Deku Tree]

Apple's Schiller 'unfollows' Tony Fadell and Nest after Google acquisition
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...tony-fadell-and-nest-after-google-acquisition

 

[Dany]

lol, you should create a thread with "Breaking News" in the header.

 

[Water]

I'm still hoping for a sleek Air inspired redesign of the Mac mini with a small SSD base option (64-128GB to keep cost down), a Haswell (Or if later this year, Broadwell) and HD 5100 GPU and 8GB RAM for $600-700 at most baseline. I need one to replace my super slow HDD based 2010 mini. Kill the damn HDD in these things. USB3 and TB2 and nominal RAM and a small SSD will be perfect enough for my Mac mini server.

Haswell is a given, and SSD should have been default long ago.

My guess is they'll throw out the 2.5" HDD, insert a slim PCIe SSD, shave a few irrelevant millimeters of height off the chassis and engage hype machine as usual.

A far more usability-centered approach would be to keep or increase chassis volume and add cooling. Much larger fan, more heatsink. This would make the machine quieter and more pleasant under load while considerably increasing the maximum performance. Or forget improving performance, remove the fan altogether, and make the case one big heatsink like industrial PCs, silent under any conditions. This would work nicely in a vertical form factor reminiscent of Mac Pro and Airport base station. More height than before, but the desk footprint could be reduced a lot from the current mini.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Haswell is a given, and SSD should have been default long ago.

My guess is they'll throw out the 2.5" HDD, insert a slim PCIe SSD, shave a few irrelevant millimeters of height off the chassis and engage hype machine as usual.

A far more usability-centered approach would be to keep or increase chassis volume and add cooling. Much larger fan, more heatsink. This would make the machine quieter and more pleasant under load while considerably increasing the maximum performance. Or forget improving performance, remove the fan altogether, and make the case one big heatsink like industrial PCs, silent under any conditions. This would work nicely in a vertical form factor reminiscent of Mac Pro and Airport base station. More height than before, but the desk footprint could be reduced a lot from the current mini.

Haswell by itself will take care of part of the heat problem. See the Haswell rMBPs versus the Ivy Bridge models when it comes to heat, noise, and number of fans.

And The Real Abed, this is what the network latency problem looks like (from my late 2013 rMBP). If you don't have a 2013 MBA or late 2013 rMBP, you aren't affected, as far as I know.

 

[The Real Abed]

And The Real Abed, this is what the network latency problem looks like (from my late 2013 rMBP). If you don't have a 2013 MBA or late 2013 rMBP, you aren't affected, as far as I know.

If you mean the part in the middle that say request for timeout, I don't get those.

I do have a 2013 15" Retina Pro.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

If you mean the part in the middle that say request for timeout, I don't get those.

I do have a 2013 15" Retina Pro.

I meant the latency being over 100ms. And the timeouts, but mostly the high values.

For example, you can easily get a latency of 40ms on a cellular network, let alone your own personal WiFi. 1-3ms would be the expected values.

 

[CFMOORE!]

Hey guys. My house was broken into and my MacBook Pro (2007) was one of the items the thief took. While the computer was showing its age, it was my only computer and I was more than likely going to buy an Air soon. But, now I am flirting with the idea of buying a used MacBook Pro (maybe 2008 era) for as cheap as I can ($400 max budget) then buy a decked out Air during their refresh this year.

Is this plan stupid or would others do something similar in my same situation? My iPad was also stolen

 

[Auron_Kale]

Finally (and I mean finally) got my new laptop today. MBPr 13-inch @ 2.4GHz, 8GB version.

Still installing/updating software but I'm just in love with this laptop right now...

 

[japtor]

Hey guys. My house was broken into and my MacBook Pro (2007) was one of the items the thief took. While the computer was showing its age, it was my only computer and I was more than likely going to buy an Air soon. But, now I am flirting with the idea of buying a used MacBook Pro (maybe 2008 era) for as cheap as I can ($400 max budget) then buy a decked out Air during their refresh this year.

Is this plan stupid or would others do something similar in my same situation? My iPad was also stolen

Ouch, sorry to hear about that. Well the oldest I'd go is the late 2008 MacBook (the 13" aluminum one)...or live with a non Mac machine for a while if possible, like a new Windows or Chromebook device for around $200-300. If the bulk of your use is relatively basic and/or web based you should be able to get away with it.

 

[Dany]

Finally (and I mean finally) got my new laptop today. MBPr 13-inch @ 2.4GHz, 8GB version.

Still installing/updating software but I'm just in love with this laptop right now...

nice! is that retina or no?
I was looking for a new laptop, my 2010 mbp is slow as hell. I just did a clean install and I hope that'll help it a bit

 

[weekend_warrior]

Hey guys I could use some troubleshooting help.

Over the weekend I bought a used late 2007 Macbook off Craigslist (for a mere $20), it came with no harddrive. No problem, I have a no longer working (early 2007?) Macbook so a tried swapping that HDD into the new one. It worked! OSX booted right up into my old profile, all the old files/apps were present. The only problem was that the keyboard didn't work. The trackpad worked, the power button worked, but the keyboard wouldn't work, the "caps lock" green light was lite though. In trying to troubleshoot I also realized the internet didn't work either, I could connect to my wifi, but firefox/chrome wouldn't work.

At this point I was more concerned with the keyboard, so googling around one possible solution I found was to boot into "safe mode". With an external keyboard I did this- I turned it off, pressed the power button, when it chimed I held the shift key until the Apple logo and rotating gear appeared. It just sat at that screen. I let it sit there, waited and waited, after about 10 minutes of nothing happening I decided it didn't work. I pressed the power button until it shut down.

When I pressed the power button to boot it up again- nothing happened. I can't boot it up at all anymore and plugged into the charger the light on the mag charger doesn't come on. Nothing is happening. I've tried 2 different chargers, I've tried resetting the SMC, I've tried taking the HDD and ram out and starting it. Nothing has worked.

I don't know if I bricked it, or if the HDD incompatibility had something to do with it, or if some hardware part fried. It's obviously not a big lose if it never works again, only $20 lost. My hope was to drop an small SSD in it and have a nice cheap back-up computer since I want to buy a new Haswell MBP later this year. I don't live close enough to any Apple Stores to bother taking it in to get fixed.

 

[Auron_Kale]

nice! is that retina or no?
I was looking for a new laptop, my 2010 mbp is slow as hell. I just did a clean install and I hope that'll help it a bit

It is indeed a retina. 'Tis a thing of beauty.

 

[killertofu]

Need an opinion...

Would you guys buy a 2006 MacBook for 150$?

Just for writing and bringing into the office and stuff... Maybe a Chromebook would serve better?

 

[Cheetos is Pretty Awesome]

Need an opinion...

Would you guys buy a 2006 MacBook for 150$?

Just for writing and bringing into the office and stuff... Maybe a Chromebook would serve better?

I'd say no. Battery life on that thing would probably be toast at this point.

 

[travislopes]

Finally (and I mean finally) got my new laptop today. MBPr 13-inch @ 2.4GHz, 8GB version.

Still installing/updating software but I'm just in love with this laptop right now...

I decided to pick up one of these the other day too. I was conflicted between that and the 13" Air, but decided on this because of the extra CPU and better display for only $149 more. I don't use it all the time since it's just my secondary machine, so that retina display impresses me every time I use the thing.

Now I just have to sell this late 2011 15" MBP to pay for most of it.

 

[killertofu]

I'd say no. Battery life on that thing would probably be toast at this point.

Supposedly has a new battery on it...

 

[The Real Abed]

I meant the latency being over 100ms. And the timeouts, but mostly the high values.

For example, you can easily get a latency of 40ms on a cellular network, let alone your own personal WiFi. 1-3ms would be the expected values.

Hmm. Then according to my findings in the Mavericks thread:

ping followed by the IP address of your router.

Hmm, here's what I get:

PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes
...
--- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics ---
15 packets transmitted, 15 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.600/1.269/3.813/0.748 ms

And for good measure this is what I get on the Mac mini side: (Which is connected to Ethernet)

PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes
...
--- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics ---
15 packets transmitted, 15 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.460/0.575/1.169/0.211 ms

I also tried pinging the Mac mini:

PING 192.168.1.10 (192.168.1.10): 56 data bytes
...
--- 192.168.1.10 ping statistics ---
15 packets transmitted, 15 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.085/25.432/91.765/31.749 ms

Does anything at all seem wrong? Because it seems to look the same. Maybe it's my router? (Which is a shitty Verizon supplied ActionTec with the red band which is supposed to imply 802.11n, or so we're told. I've never seen those speeds.)

I don't get the large ping times on each computer when connecting to just the router, but when connecting to the other computer I get some pretty high amounts as seen above. With averages of 0.5 on each machine but 25 when pinging across the network. Is that normal? It would seem to explain my problem with my local Minecraft server as was being discussed in the Mavericks thread. Either way I guess I don't have the problem being discussed here and my MC problem is something else. Oh well.

BTW, what does "stddev" mean?

 

[TUSR]

Standard deviation

 

[Deku Tree]

My WiFi uses a 2013 Airport AC router.
I ran PING for a bit on my Haswell 2013 MBA 11" just now while watching Netflix:

PING 10.0.1.1 (10.0.1.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.935 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.805 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=1.354 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=255 time=1.061 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=1.854 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=255 time=1.285 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=255 time=1.188 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=255 time=0.839 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=8 ttl=255 time=1.147 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=9 ttl=255 time=1.001 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=10 ttl=255 time=1.949 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=11 ttl=255 time=2.049 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=12 ttl=255 time=1.391 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=255 time=1.181 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=14 ttl=255 time=6.254 ms
Request timeout for icmp_seq 15
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=15 ttl=255 time=1449.677 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=16 ttl=255 time=452.464 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=17 ttl=255 time=1449.155 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=18 ttl=255 time=451.881 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=19 ttl=255 time=36.687 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=20 ttl=255 time=27.946 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=21 ttl=255 time=20.255 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=22 ttl=255 time=0.925 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=23 ttl=255 time=1.768 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=24 ttl=255 time=1.146 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=25 ttl=255 time=0.971 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=26 ttl=255 time=1.698 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=27 ttl=255 time=1.119 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=28 ttl=255 time=1.570 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=29 ttl=255 time=1.575 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=30 ttl=255 time=2.909 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=31 ttl=255 time=3.067 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=32 ttl=255 time=1.261 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=33 ttl=255 time=0.867 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=34 ttl=255 time=2.046 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=35 ttl=255 time=1.097 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=36 ttl=255 time=1.223 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=37 ttl=255 time=1.339 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=38 ttl=255 time=0.940 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=39 ttl=255 time=1.351 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=40 ttl=255 time=1.824 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=41 ttl=255 time=1.355 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=42 ttl=255 time=1.288 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=43 ttl=255 time=1.752 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=44 ttl=255 time=2.129 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=45 ttl=255 time=0.933 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=46 ttl=255 time=0.764 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=47 ttl=255 time=1.675 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=48 ttl=255 time=1.118 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=49 ttl=255 time=1.379 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=50 ttl=255 time=0.977 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=51 ttl=255 time=1.013 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=52 ttl=255 time=2.029 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=53 ttl=255 time=0.967 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=54 ttl=255 time=1.285 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=55 ttl=255 time=1.254 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=56 ttl=255 time=1.416 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=57 ttl=255 time=1.478 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=58 ttl=255 time=1.995 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=59 ttl=255 time=1.351 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=60 ttl=255 time=1.419 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=61 ttl=255 time=1.348 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=62 ttl=255 time=1.497 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=63 ttl=255 time=0.967 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=64 ttl=255 time=1.094 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=65 ttl=255 time=0.918 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=66 ttl=255 time=1.857 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=67 ttl=255 time=1.289 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=68 ttl=255 time=0.995 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=69 ttl=255 time=1.363 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=70 ttl=255 time=1.650 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=71 ttl=255 time=1.277 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=72 ttl=255 time=1.529 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=73 ttl=255 time=1.112 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.1.1: icmp_seq=74 ttl=255 time=1.542 ms
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[Deku Tree]

I should say that in real usage situations I have never felt like I had a latency problem with my 2013 MBA 11".

 

[DonDraper]

Need an opinion...

Would you guys buy a 2006 MacBook for 150$?

Just for writing and bringing into the office and stuff... Maybe a Chromebook would serve better?

I bought one in late 2012 for some basic use and a few months later the logic board eventually died and there was nothing Apple could do for it, so they told me. So I was assed out after just a few months.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

I should say that in real usage situations I have never felt like I had a latency problem with my 2013 MBA 11".

I've had a number of situations where Safari takes forever to first start to resolve a URL, but of course, I have no evidence that that's an issue with network latency versus simply poor coding in Safari, because, you know, we've never had that problem before either.

 

[tafer]

Welp guys, after reading this:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/0...with-amd-gpus-experiencing-hardware-failures/

And considering I have one of those Macbook Pros, what should I do?
No problems so far, but I want to know if I should do something, just in case.

 

[Deku Tree]

Welp guys, after reading this:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/0...with-amd-gpus-experiencing-hardware-failures/

And considering I have one of those Macbook Pros, what should I do?
No problems so far, but I want to know if I should do something, just in case.

1) if you have apple care, great. If not, buy it if you still can....

2) if you notice any small signs of anything, and you have apple care, call them or go to an apple store and demand they fix it.

 

[Deku Tree]

My 2012 rMBP 15" has a much faster PING to my router than my 2013 MBA 11.
Disappointing considering that the MBA is supposed to be the new AC standard, and my router is AC too.

 

[opticalmace]

Need an opinion...

Would you guys buy a 2006 MacBook for 150$?

Just for writing and bringing into the office and stuff... Maybe a Chromebook would serve better?

Hell naw IMO. I'd get the Acer C720 Chromebook, has a warranty and gets over 8 hours of battery life (if those are your only needs). I think it's $199.

 

[tafer]

1) if you have apple care, great. If not, buy it if you still can....

2) if you notice any small signs of anything, and you have apple care, call them or go to an apple store and demand they fix it.

Thanks dude, I'll call tomorrow to see my options.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

My 2012 rMBP 15" has a much faster PING to my router than my 2013 MBA 11.
Disappointing considering that the MBA is supposed to be the new AC standard, and my router is AC too.

After looking at the Apple Support thread on the issue, it looks like 10.9.2 Beta 2 resolves the issue, according to one poster, so it shouldn't be long.

 

[caramac]

I've just ordered an ssd for my 27in 2011 iMac which hopefully I'll be installing on Friday. I'm leaving the original 1tb hard drive in there to use for data, leaving the ssd mainly for OS X and some of my apps.
Having built a few windows pc's in the past I'm not too fazed at the thought of opening my iMac up. However, if you guys have any tips or advice or know of any good tutorials, particularly on the process of formatting the new drive and moving OS X across to the ssd it would be much appreciated.

I have time machine back ups or would it be better to do a clean install?