The Real Abed
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Really? Mine wakes up instantly. It's a 2012 but still. My 2011 also woke up instantly. And both boot in like 10 seconds from BONG to desktop.
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Mac OS X Mountain Lion. Move your Mac even further ahead
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Mine too. 2012 Air wakes up instantly. Shutdown is another story.
The Real Abed
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Yeah. Ditto. Takes nearly a minute of spinning cursor before it shuts down. I don't know the reason for it either. It does it whether I'm logged in or at the login screen. Will have to do some investigating. Is there a way to have a verbose console output of everything happening at shutdown?
StopMakingSense
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Depends on how long I leave it for sleep. If just an hour, then it will be really quick. Longer, it can take yeah up to 8-10 seconds.
CrudeDiatribe
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They do. Mine isn't instant, but it's pretty damn fast. I also have whole-disk-encryption turned on, if that matters to wake time.
Edit: was instant just now.
Got the Shakes
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My rMBP does the same thing. It shutdown instantly when I got it in June, but I feel like in the past month or so it started doing this. Maybe after I installed the 10.8.2 update?
The Real Abed
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That's a loaded question. You better put the safety on.
Mine wakes "instantly" but isn't usable for 15+ seconds as it has to reconnect to the wifi network :|
Really wish I could just leave the wifi connected with the lid closed, instead I'm getting used to turning the brightness all the way down and leaving the lid open :|
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
That's a silly question to ask. PC hardware doesn't run Mac OSX (no, you shouldn't set up a Hackintosh). So the question is now "Is it worth my while to buy a Mac?"--and the answer to that, like the answer to the OS question, is "It depends on what you do with your computer, what you want to do with your computer, what you find good about your current operating system, and what you find less good about your current operating system."
Personally I have a 13" Macbook Air as my laptop. It's the fifth Mac laptop I've owned in my life. I like how lightweight, slim, and easy to carry it is, the excellent construction quality (especially the touchpad and keyboard). I think it's good value for money in terms of the stuff inside the box. I like Apple's technical support, and I live near an Apple store so it's easy for me to get in-person service. I like the Magsafe power connector. The battery life is decent. I love that it has an SSD. At this point, the MBA is the only high-end laptop I'd recommend to anyone for anything. For lower end laptops, I'm not sure what I'd recommend--in many cases I'd recommend a tablet. But for people looking to spend $900+, say, on a laptop, I'd recommend the MBA. So to me, the OS question is already secondary to the hardware question. Also, I like that Apple ditches legacy technologies. I don't like hard drives. I don't like disc drives. I don't like printers. I don't like ethernet. I love the resale value Mac products have, as well, so I know that when I upgrade I'll get a pretty significant downpayment from selling my current hardware.
But I like OSX a lot. I love the default software stack. iPhoto is great. iTunes runs well on OSX, although I have a number of reservations about it. I think Transmit is the best FTP client every made. I love the default development stack and being able to code in a variety of languages without having to worry about setting up development environments. I like the Terminal, and I have a lot of experience with poking around the innards of the system. I like how software updates are handled, I like the Mac App Store. I like a lot of third-party software. I love the built-in support for PDFs. I love the built-in print-to-PDF. I love QuickPreview. I love the shareware development environment where small independent developers make beautiful, excellent, robust applications--some of the best applications designed in years are on OSX (I'm thinking of stuff like Sparrow, for instance, or 1Password, which is Mac-first) I love that Apple's OS updates have cost $19-29 for the last several years rather than the way more expensive default Windows prices. I like that defragmentation is not needed. I personally prefer Mac Office to Windows Office. I like the memory usage model. I use Bruji's DVDPedia and Gamepedia to track my collections. I like the outright crashes are exceedingly rare. I like the way gestures combine the hardware's strength with great OS support. I like that Malware is not a going concern for me. I like the Dock. I like the care put into the look and feel of the operating system. I like LaunchPad. I like Expose. I love the way text renders on the screen. Many of these things have equivalents in Windows--and I like Windows. I use Windows on several of my computers.
I don't like the gaming support. I don't really like Finder (the Windows Explorer equivalent). I don't like the "smart-maximize" button, which has always struck me as dumb. I don't think full-screen apps are well implemented. I don't personally use Safari. I don't like how ridiculously high a lot of shareware applications are, and how freeware is less common on OSX. There are some ways in which the Windows taskbar is more efficient than Dock+Expose. I don't like skeumorphic design in some applications. I don't think iCloud is well implemented.
I'm writing this from a W7 Desktop. I wouldn't recommend a Mac desktop because I don't think they offer good value for money.
I have been a sysadmin and/or programmer for 10 years. I have XP, W7, W8, and OSX installs on my personal devices. I have a Kindle, an iPad, a Nexus 7. I have an iPhone 5 and a WP7 phone. I've administered Windows, OSX, Linux (several distributions, both physical hardware and remote servers), SCO UNIX, and AIX servers. There's no silver bullet. Different things are good at different things. If you had asked me if OSX 10.3 and 10.4 were better than XP, I'd give you an unambiguous yes. But W7 is a very mature operating system and a pleasure to use, and I'd gladly use either W7 or OSX10.8
OSX is a great operating system, and Apple makes great products. I can't see anyone finding either to be a disaster. But whether you want to switch is a bigger question than "Which is better?"
Exentryk
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Thanks for the detailed post. I don't really have any problems with Win7 currently, and it does everything I need. My use is casual, browsing, movies, music etc.
But with Apple's rise to power and since buying an Iphone 4S, I've been exposed to iOS and really like how smooth it is. Which in turn has got me interested in OSX. I really like the idea of gestures, and that retina display is very tempting too. I currently have a 4 year old Dell XPS Laptop with a 17inch 1200p screen, and it is beautiful. If Apple released a 17inch Retina, I'd buy it right away.
Also, Apple keeps updating their hardware quite often, and I'm afraid they will stop supporting anything 2 years or older. I like to buy the best once, and then stick with it for as long as possible.
Btw, what's with the full screen apps? You mean you cannot maximize every application to full screen like Windows?
Maybe I just need to buy a mac and use it. If only they'd release a 17inch Retina >.>
From my "casual" user experience, generally, software is more "mature" on Windows than on OSX. A lot of things is simply more simple in Windows.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I would not recommend buying a Retina Display Mac at this point. The technology is new and cutting edge, but well above the price sweet spot and not fully supported by key applications just yet--a lot of websites and applications are upscaled because they don't fully support the Retina display. Kind of like how Apple added an SSD to the first Macbook Air, which was basically a super expensive underperforming junker--but also served as the testing ground for their future direction. Now all their computers have SSDs and the revised Macbook Airs are great machines. So, like, wait a generation.
I would also personally not recommend buying big, heavy laptops because the added power they bring generally doesn't compensate for the poorer usage (worse battery, weight issues). If you feel like you need a big screen for certain use cases, you might be better off with a smaller laptop and driving a monitor when you are at home.
Your fear is based on mobile phones, which have nothing to do with computer hardware. Mobile phones update as frequently as they do because the technology is rapidly iterating--each of those updates is adding 100% or more to most of the spec counts. If an iPad1 or an iPhone 3G is not supported, it's because their hardware is hot garbage compared to today's.
They do update their computers every year. Every company does. But existing models will remain supported for a pretty long time.
Some 2007 and almost all 2008 Macs run the current operating system. You can expect a Mac to last 5-6 years easily. OS upgrades frequently result in better performance. With laptops, my Mac laptops have worn out physically (years of physical abuse, drops, and spills; hundreds and hundreds of lithium-ion cycles--all my fault and my usage, nothing related to the hardware durability) before they've been out of support in terms of hardware. Even if you had a 2005-2007 Mac that can't run the current OS, you'd still have a very good user experience.
And again, Macs retain excellent resale value, much higher than most other electronics, so when you do upgrade, you'll probably find you have a good chunk of money to go towards it.
That's not what I mean.
By full screen apps, I mean applications that literally cover the full screen, like Metro applications do in Windows 8. No system menus or anything. Like pressing F11 in your browser. Apple updated most of their core applications to support full-screen with OSX 10.7, which was the first version that they started taking ideas from iOS and importing them back to OSX. I don't feel they work well, and the added screen real estate and cleanliness doesn't make up for the huge loss of usability and loss of proper multitasking ability.
By "smart-maximize", I mean that certain applications in OSX do not maximize properly. For example, if you're on a webpage that is 800px wide and you press maximize in Safari, it will set itself to 100% your resolution's height and 800px wide, no wider. You can manually resize to be maximized like in Windows, but the maximize button doesn't do that. This has been the case for every version of OSX, the whole last ten years (I started with OSX10.1 around maybe 2001 or so). It's a design decision, not a bug. It's easy to deal with, because you can just manually resize the window, and many applications do fully maximize... but
If you live near an Apple Store, go use one there. You can even book a session with their tech support guys to give you a tutorial on the operating system. You can use demo units for pretty much as long as you want to. They don't get commissions and most of them are enthusiastic rather than pushy. They're not going to say anything bad about the company's products, but they're normally pretty fair.
CrudeDiatribe
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iOS is not the Mac; the Mac has all the baggage of any other PC operating systems: visible filesystems, mouse support, etc.
Many things "just work", but some things don't (in contrast to iOS where everything just works).
My Mac Pro desktop, from 2006 (I bought it used in 2008 or 9), is running 10.7, which was released in 2011. It still receives software updates from Apple and third-party vendors.
The green button everyone coming from Windows thinks should be 'maximize' is instead 'zoom' and doesn't work how you expect and will irritate you to know end. You complaining about it will irritate long-time Mac users who are used to the way it works from 25 years of the Mac OS.
Since 10.7 there is a full-screen mode for any application that chooses to implement it. It works very well on small-screened laptops and is irritating on multiple displays except for specially coded apps like Aperture.
I only ever use it on my 11" Air; occasionally when showing something at work on my Mini. I find it useful on the Air in a 'remove all distractions' way, but it does remove the wonderful messy multitasking I'm so used to from 20+ years of Mac use with windows everywhere and overlapping so I can read around (or through with the Terminal) what I'm working on.
It does work OK with gestures.
Like what? That's never been my experience, but I almost never use Windows except under duress.
Exentryk
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Yeah, my current laptop is 5kg and the fans run non stop... which I'm kinda used to now lol. It's always plugged in XD.
Good to hear that Apple supports it's Macs for a long period. Unfortunately, I don't have a apple store nearby, or I would have tried it. Maybe that's one reason I don't know very much about their products.
Anyhow, I have a little more understanding of OSX now thanks to you guys.
I'll wait a gen to upgrade so the apps catch up to the Retina Display and is more value for money.
Good to hear that Apple supports it's Macs for a long period. Unfortunately, I don't have a apple store nearby, or I would have tried it. Maybe that's one reason I don't know very much about their products.
Anyhow, I have a little more understanding of OSX now thanks to you guys.
I'll wait a gen to upgrade so the apps catch up to the Retina Display and is more value for money.
criesofthepast
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Mother fucker. I want it now!
I'd rather have it when it's ready not before then.
Steve would never let that happen.
Dreams-Visions
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WEAK
Hopefully this means they are thoroughly fixing iTunes, and not just slapping another layer of paint on it.
The Real Abed
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It sucks, but I'd rather they take the time to make sure it's working right (After all, it is the total rewrite people have wanted forever.) instead of giving us another iMovie HD fiasco.
I can wait. But then again, I can't wait!
I can wait. But then again, I can't wait!
The Real Abed
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Supposedly. That was my understanding. I'd have to rewatch the intro at the September keynote but I could have sworn they said it was rewritten. I mean after all, it's 14 year old code they've just been piling onto.
I'm on Mountain Lion and I was trying to install Sony Bridge for Mac (a app for synching data with Xperia smartphones). I downloaded it from official website, but when I try to launch it, I get an error, that I can't open this app, as it comes from unidentified author.
I mean, what the fuck? Is there anything I can do to solve my problem?
I mean, what the fuck? Is there anything I can do to solve my problem?
njean777
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did you go to gatekeeper and say "install from anywhere"?
If not go to the system preferences- security-under the general tab change "allow applications downloaded from" to anywhere.
You can also right click on it in the Finder and select "Open" to run unsigned apps.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
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So... Back to My Mac.
What does it actually do?
I thought it was for file transfers between multiple Macs, which I then thought was superseded by Airdrop. But it's still around.....
Does it have any other uses?
What does it actually do?
I thought it was for file transfers between multiple Macs, which I then thought was superseded by Airdrop. But it's still around.....
Does it have any other uses?
AirDrop requires manual permission to accept a transfer. It's for transferring files to a different person's computer, really.
File Sharing doesn't. It's for sharing files between your own computers, or ones that you have access to. Also, screen sharing.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Airdrop is local. You can use Back to My Mac anywhere. File transfers and screen sharing.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
Member
Ah I see, I didn't realise the network capabilities!
I have an iMac and MacBook and turns out this is exactly what I've been after actually, I've been going the long way around for far to long.
Cheers
LegendOfGood
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I have a question about the way iTunes is displaying on my new Mac mini.
The gridlines don't show up on their own, but when iTunes is in the "shadow" of another window, they do.
See pic for what I am talking about.
Is my brightness or gamma or something else set too high? How can I fix this?
The gridlines don't show up on their own, but when iTunes is in the "shadow" of another window, they do.
See pic for what I am talking about.
Is my brightness or gamma or something else set too high? How can I fix this?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
System Prefs > Display > Color tab > Calibrate
Doesn't work anymore. In fact, it's the same problem as with YouTube subscription RSS feeds - when I add the feed, all the recent videos/tweets are there, but I don't get any updates. I'm using Google Reader with Reeder.
The Real Abed
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I had this exact same problem on my 13" Pro. My Air's don't have this problem. No matter what colorsync profile I tried I couldn't get the blue lines to show up. I just learned to live with it.
What display do you have?
You are not alone.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I have a general Mac question that I'm hoping someone would be able to help me out with.
My MBP crashed and I got a message that said it needed to restart. When I did that, the system is unable to restart - I get a progress bar at start up that stops at around 30% and then the system shuts itself off.
So I go into Recovery Mode and run Disk Utility and try to run Repair Disk and it fails and tells me to back up all my files.
At this point I need to know - does this mean that the OS is simply corrupted and I need to reinstall it, or does this mean my hard drive has a mechanical failure?
If it's an OS problem, it's annoying (my last back up was pre ML, stupid me) but at least I can fix it. But if it's a HDD failure, I don't want to spend all that time restoring the drive just to have it die again.
Any insights would be appreciated.
My MBP crashed and I got a message that said it needed to restart. When I did that, the system is unable to restart - I get a progress bar at start up that stops at around 30% and then the system shuts itself off.
So I go into Recovery Mode and run Disk Utility and try to run Repair Disk and it fails and tells me to back up all my files.
At this point I need to know - does this mean that the OS is simply corrupted and I need to reinstall it, or does this mean my hard drive has a mechanical failure?
If it's an OS problem, it's annoying (my last back up was pre ML, stupid me) but at least I can fix it. But if it's a HDD failure, I don't want to spend all that time restoring the drive just to have it die again.
Any insights would be appreciated.
Leona Lewis
Banned
Is there any way to disable the automatic page refresh when you go back a page in Safari? It makes surfing GAF really annoying.
Hmm. Weird. Works fine for me. Sorry
You,ve probably inadvertently turned up the contrast in accessibility. Go to system preferences -> accessibility and turn contrast to default.
njean777
Member
I don't think there is a way to do that, I really wish there was. I woul use chrome but gifs are broken on my version of chrome
The Real Abed
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First off, do you keep backups? I hope you keep backups.
Second, use the Recovery Partition to try and reinstall over the old OS installation. Your files should remain where they are. Also before doing that go into Disk Utility from there and check the disk first before reinstalling. Make sure there's no problems.
Third, you do keep backups, right? It's dead simple these days.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I have a semi-recent back up, but it's in a different city so I might as well not have it I suppose. lol
I did run Disk Utility from the Recovery Partition and it is telling me to format the drive (it can't fix the problem). Should I do that? Or would it be enough to just reinstall the OS onto the drive again?
The Real Abed
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Nope. You're going to need to reformat. Back that thing up ASAP. Drive to that other city and get your backup. Or sign up to an online backup service, even if it's just for the 30-day trial, (Go to CrashPlan and take advantage of their trial. It's 10GB for free for that 30 days.) and get your important files backed up somewhere off that drive because you're going to have nothing but problems.
Either way do not reformat until you have all your important stuff, the stuff that can't be recreated easily, backed up. Pretty much your User folder basically. I highly recommend online backup as it's cheap (At least CP is. It's the best deal you'll find. Trust me.) and worry-free in that you will never need to think about it. And the nice thing is if for some reason it hasn't been able to backup for a long time, it will email you to let you know that there is a problem. It also has a Time Machine-like design in that it will keep different versions of your files all the way back as far as you want. Even if you want it to keep it all the way back to today and retrieve it 4 years from now.
I don't know how many times I've wrote posts like this on backing up. But I definitely recommend a combination of online and local. At the very least an online backup of your important stuff. Personally I have the 4-year family plan which was dirt cheap when you break it down to a monthly amount which lets me do up to 10 machines with an unlimited amount of space for backing up. You'd only need one. Can you afford $5 a month? Or $50 a year? At the risk of sounding like a commercial, because I do wish they'd pay me for doing this all the time, but there is a price plan for everyone and it's braindead simple.
Bottom line, you are going to need to wipe that drive. And you might even end up having problems with it later anyway so you might actually have to get the drive replaced. In which case you are going to need a backup. Whether it's an external drive or an online backup. Just archive your stuff before you regret losing it when the drive does finally say "No more working. I die now."
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Because I work mostly in a Windows environment and because HDDs are still relatively expensive, I've been slow on the uptake with making back ups. (Dedicating a drive strictly to HFS a new thing to me). Of course the time I finally decide to do it, the drive is out of reach. Figures!
I'm glad I have an old bootable Snow Leopard clone lying around, but now I'm having trouble with my old Mountain Lion dmg that I saved - it's failing to verify some pkg files. What a pain. lol
I just hope that, since I was able to format (and write zeros) to my hard drive, it means that the drive is healthy and I won't have to write it off. After formatting the drive, Disk Utility returned no errors when I tried to verify/repair it, but it'd be nice if there was something like chkdsk in Windows that surfaces the specifics of the drive. I don't even know if I have bad sectors on it or some other defect.
I'm glad I have an old bootable Snow Leopard clone lying around, but now I'm having trouble with my old Mountain Lion dmg that I saved - it's failing to verify some pkg files. What a pain. lol
I just hope that, since I was able to format (and write zeros) to my hard drive, it means that the drive is healthy and I won't have to write it off. After formatting the drive, Disk Utility returned no errors when I tried to verify/repair it, but it'd be nice if there was something like chkdsk in Windows that surfaces the specifics of the drive. I don't even know if I have bad sectors on it or some other defect.
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