...but that is a reality. Regardless of whether gender disparity in positions of power is the reason for it, men have always been the instigators of violence and war.
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Mad Max: Fury Road |OT| What a Lovely Day | RT: 98% | Metacritic: 89
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...but that is a reality. Regardless of whether gender disparity in positions of power is the reason for it, men have always been the instigators of violence and war.
But it's... completely true and honest, the MRA's fear powerful women like Furiosa who's only goal is to help, and the world in Mad Max went to shit because of men, men like Immorten Joe.
But what the film yells loud and clear, is that those examples of 'men' are the wrong one's to try to emulate or follow, and instead, looking up to men like Mad Max and Nux, people who aren't driven with the need to control or own others but to simply survive and do the right thing, are the real champions and positive examples of masculinity.
Gnome Scat
Member
Wow, that just made me appreciate the film on a whole new level. George Miller really made a masterpiece among action movies.
Did it make that statement? People always read too much into character's opinions as the film's statement.
The old women are great characters. They distrust men because it's what they've learned in the wasteland. It doesn't mean that all men are terrible, horrible human beings in real life, it's just the way they've adapted. Does it mean they are right? No. But do they have a valid reason for feeling this way? Sure.
The movie isn't saying "women are better than men". It's not really saying anything about that, really. I guess the big statement here is people are shitty, and women and men are both equally capable of rising above the shit. This is portrayed in the old women, Furiosa, Max, and most importantly,
Nux. Even though he is a brainwashed man, he turns to the side of good because he realizes it's right and just. It has nothing to do with his gender.
If there's any takeaway, it's that gender roles don't matter in the wasteland. Nowhere does that imply that men are bad and women are good. There are evil people everywhere in the wasteland. But there are good people, too.
Ixion
Member
Men have also helped rebuild. That falsifies her statement right there.
This also implies that there's only good men, bad men, and good women. Yes, there are women who would gain power and do good, but some women will also destroy given the power.
Maybe if you take that very selective quote while ignoring everything else she said around it.
There is nothing false or silly about that comment.
Delta Assault
Member
This movie's gotten so much praise (I haven't seen it yet)... do you guys think it'll get any serious Oscar consideration?
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Deleted member 80556
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What about those women who survived for years, alone, without any men?
I find it more accurate to say that people need people, rather than women need men. At least in this film.
I can see it winning best picture. It's stunning.
The clan who was down to like 5 elder women? I wouldn't say they were exactly thriving.
Though I agree, it is more accurate to say that people need people without adding gender to the discussion. I read her comments as a argument against the MRA complaints moreso than a discussion about the thematic depth of the film.
Ixion
Member
The fact that the old women are distrustful of men is not an issue I have with the movie, since the movie does a decent job showing the consequences of that view. Those old women are...old, and alone in a decaying land.
Those are two separate points though. There are a lot of gender role messages in this movie that I agree with. The theme about men and women as destroyers and rebuilders (respectively) is one that I disagree with.
I think the movie was saying both sexes need each other. The old women had no children and were not prospering. Reproduction alone is a good reason, at least until technology allows for lab grown humans. That's not an option in the wasteland though. 
I can imagine a nomination in visual categories like Production design or Costume design.
Nah. Let's not get crazy here.
Sorcerer
Member
Only if Meryl Streep was Furiosa.
Sadly, it's a genre film, so will probably sweep the effects nominations but barely get nominated for any of the main events.
Simo
Member
For anyone who wants to know and see a lot more about film I can't recommend the Art Book Companion enough. Mine just arrived via UPS and the thing is surprisingly large and full of awesome stuff.
Tons of information on characters like everyone's favorite Coma The Doof Warrior for example, the book describes his backstory:
Also for Miss Giddy:
Also has concept art of what the Bullet Farm and Gas Town looks like. Again it's a fucking awesome book if you'd like to learn more about the film especially the back story.
Tons of information on characters like everyone's favorite Coma The Doof Warrior for example, the book describes his backstory:
essentially Coma is blind and was raised by his mother who loved music and he had a happy upbringing. Then the collapse happened and at one time Coma and his mother were attacked where she was dragged away. The attackers returned to Coma and dropped his mother's severed head on his lap and left.
Immortan comes across Coma still cradling his mother's head after all this time and takes him into his army, ripping the skin off Coma's mothers head and fashioning a mask out of it for him so that Coma can exact revenge against all in the wasteland with his mother's screaming mask on....What the fuck?!
Immortan comes across Coma still cradling his mother's head after all this time and takes him into his army, ripping the skin off Coma's mothers head and fashioning a mask out of it for him so that Coma can exact revenge against all in the wasteland with his mother's screaming mask on....What the fuck?!
Also for Miss Giddy:
She's a historian trying to keep the history of world old and new remembered so she's writing the history on her body which explains the ink and words on her.
Also has concept art of what the Bullet Farm and Gas Town looks like. Again it's a fucking awesome book if you'd like to learn more about the film especially the back story.
Fair enough. Based on the historical context, I don't really see a problem with implying that men who crave power are those who destroy, especially since the film does not explicitly state it as a hard rule. Max and Nux are great examples of rebuilders, of their own lives and others.
Sorcerer
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'Mad Max: Fury Road' Sequel To Be Titled 'Mad Max: The Wasteland'
(If Fury Road is successful)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/benjaminmoore/2015/05/19/mad-max-fury-road-sequel-wasteland/
(If Fury Road is successful)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/benjaminmoore/2015/05/19/mad-max-fury-road-sequel-wasteland/
Damn, that looks awesome.
Flacracker
Banned
I ordered that artbook! It looks amazing.
Heebie Jeebies
Banned
Discotheque
Banned
I grinned like mad when max fired those shots to end the fight, such a quick and ferocious end
George Miller isn't going to worry about that too much, he's had his share of the Oscars with Happy Feet.
Editing and sound are where this movie chances are, perhaps production, make up or costume design, shame about the lack of recognition for stunt people and choreography.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
I'm glad the artbook is so great!
Mine is at home, can't wait to get out of work.
Mine is at home, can't wait to get out of work.
At this point I feel it would be a travesty if George doesn't get a best director nom.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I do think that, if Warner plays politics correctly, they could sneak Miller into the running for Best Director.
I don't think he'd win. But I think he could get a nom. Depends on how they play it.
edit: If Warner wants to play up the Ripley comparisons, they could (depending on the crowd in the running come December) get Theron a Best Actress nod, too. But again, they'd have to want to spend the money to do the campaigning.
I'm not really worried for George Miller, and I don't think he should be worried either. He's already in the small group that's won the top awards at the Oscars.
I think it's more sad from the perspective of acting nominations, where I think Theron could be a credible nomination (it's a compact role, as is every one in this film, but she poured a lot into it and it worked really well) but probably won't even be considered.
But thus it has always been, thus it shall always be, that the Academy snub good material from genre films.
BlackSalad
Member
I think the movie was saying both sexes need each other. The old women had no children and were not prospering. Reproduction alone is a good reason, at least until technology allows for lab grown humans. That's not an option in the wasteland though.
I think this is pretty spot on.
Thinking back to all the relationships in the movie, I can see a theme of men and women needing each other forming throughout the movie: Furiosa and Max, Nux and the Wife, Joe and his wives. All point to how important the collaboration between men is necessary in the wasteland.
Night Hunter
Banned
Totally deserves this. Learning how to play guitar while being blindfolded and on a moving vehicle all while you rock out with your cock out is some level of commitment.
Simo
Member
DOOOO IT! My best experience watching the movie. I'd go see it again like that but...I don't wanna drive that distance again. lol
The moment Max starts up the V8 Interceptor your seat starts shaking like you're in the car yourself and then when the blower kicks in full speed and takes off....goddammit maybe I will drive out.
Saw it in dbox it kinda puts me to sleep. It feels like a massage chair that leans forward from time to time. MFX does not really work for me. Fury Road was so badass what a movie!
Simo
Member
....did you have it on the lowest setting?
I dont understand what is the academy's problem with recognizing action movies. Do they not see the craftsmanship that it takes to make a blockbuster like this. People were raving about Birdman and the camera work behind that movie but cant appreciate this? Just because it is an action movie with no melodramatic or sappy plot or does not have some big social commentary? They do the same shit with horror movies as well. The academy loves excluding entire genre's from best picture and director nominations. Fk them.
DOWN
Banned
I get weak with lust over rumbling cars, so you've just sold me on it. First viewing was standard 2D close by, and D-Box is a bit of a drive for me as well, but I'm going for it since I am dying to see the film again.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
The nearest DBox is 20 minutes away...I think I'm gonna have to go see it again before it goes to the smaller screens this weekend.
That would be cool, but the real travesty is if his wife doesn't get a Best Editing nomination.
Simo
Member
It was honestly like if they built a ride out of Fury Road in Orlando it would be something like the D-Box experience. lol It was my first film like that too.
I mean that feeling as the chair shake as Max fires up the Interceptor and getting more intense as the blower reaches full speed or how the chair pitches and leans when Furiosa is heading down Fury Road to Gas Town to the chair shaking violently with each Thunder Stick hitting and exploding against the Buzzards and the constant shaking as you're with Nux and Max in the storm.
Seeing the guy sitting next me in my peripheral vision was hilarious though because he was shaking all over the place and I imagined we all looked like that. lol
DOWN
Banned
Yeah, I can totally see a director snub since that is the nature of action movies at the Oscars, but the editing, mixing, production design, etc. should all get nominations.
Rhomega Beta
Member
This was an awesome movie with lots of action and imagination. A worthy addition to the Mad Max series.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Huh.
Well shit.
Lets see if all the OscarWatch sites and outlets remember this shit come November.
Will never happen. Mad Max is too aesthetically gross to ever get on the Academy's radar; it's too metal. Raiders, Jaws, Avatar, etc. are much "cleaner" to look at, less visually offensive, for token considerations.