FlutterPuffs
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Well not how Betty was telling it. It was disturbing.
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Mad Men - Season 6 - Sundays on AMC
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Well not how Betty was telling it. It was disturbing.
"You look ugly!"
Just watched the episode. Pretty bizarre, and not in a good way. I was looking forward to the Hawaii scenes, but they didn't really do anything with them.
At this point, I feel like the writers have no clue what to do with Don's character. Everything we saw in this episode was just a rehash of him falling back into his old ways. Yes, Don struggles internally with practically every aspect of his life; we don't need this continually thrown at us.
Betty is more fucked up than ever, but I actually prefer her new storyline (searching for the girl) to any of the plots she was involved in during S5.
Roger Sterling remains the #1 reason to watch the show IMO. Not only because of his stinging one-liners, but because of his surprisingly diverse storylines and evolving character (especially compared to Don, and even Peggy).
At this point, I feel like the writers have no clue what to do with Don's character. Everything we saw in this episode was just a rehash of him falling back into his old ways. Yes, Don struggles internally with practically every aspect of his life; we don't need this continually thrown at us.
Betty is more fucked up than ever, but I actually prefer her new storyline (searching for the girl) to any of the plots she was involved in during S5.
Roger Sterling remains the #1 reason to watch the show IMO. Not only because of his stinging one-liners, but because of his surprisingly diverse storylines and evolving character (especially compared to Don, and even Peggy).
Of course it was. It supposed to be. It seeded her storyline with an extra sense of discomfort.
-Pyromaniac-
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I'm pretty sure it's still 67 because Don mentioned something about hoping the doctor does the first heart transplant and that happens in december of 1967.
Leona Lewis
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That whole metaphor of becoming a new person...I didn't even make the connection with the heart transplant talk.
Dat Weiner.
Dat Weiner.
The episode ends on New Year's Eve as we click over to 68.
-Pyromaniac-
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how much time does the first episode span? Just seems weird that Don would bring up the heart transplant thing and then not bring it up again after it already happened in the world. Or something.
Yeah I think it still is 67, shame a lot of the actors look really different to the last episode of season 5 really throws off the continuity.
it was just really unexpected and offputting.
Becoming partner doesn't mean you go on the masthead. Nor does dying mean you go off it, necessarily. Most firms you know of that only have two names in their full name probably have more than two partners.
Ninja Scooter
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Virginia Slims were introduced in summer of 68 and that seems to be what Peggy is working on.
Discotheque
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matthew weiner brings us an actor from the last show he worked on
little carmine from the sopranos was the doorman:
was pretty cool to see. did not like the aging makeup they did on lindsay from freaks and geeks but it was cool to see her as well.
little carmine from the sopranos was the doorman:
was pretty cool to see. did not like the aging makeup they did on lindsay from freaks and geeks but it was cool to see her as well.
out0v0rder
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i love rogers words. everything he says is instant wit
It starts somewhere around the middle of Dec '67 with their trip to Hawaii, they come back, some scenes between Christmas and New Year's, ends on January 1st 1968.
Also last season ended in Spring 1967 not Fall, time skip is slightly more than half a year, but Summer of Love happened in between which perhaps might explain such a drastic change of style among society.
Trent Strong
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Wow...I can't believe it, but I think I've just suddenly and completely lost interest in this show. It feels like there's nothing else for them to do with any of the characters. There's just...nothing more to see here. I really hope this is the last season.
Trent Strong
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I hope you're right. Hopefully the problem is with me and not the show.
Mad Men seems to be pretty loved by GAF. I tried to watch it, found episode one extremely boring (apart from when they try and market the cigarettes). Gave it another shot and watched episode 2 a week later but had to turn it off half way because I was so bored. Does it get better or something? Or should I just stop trying if I already didn't like the first two episodes?
Dance Inferno
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This is how I interpreted it as well.
GoldenEye 007
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Don't was saying he wanted the doctor to be the first in the US. So yeah it already happened overseas when he said that. Just now it would need to happen in the US.
The first ever heart transplant in the US is performed on december six 1967. Three days after the first heart transplant in the world.
But we can just simply conclude it's 1968 now because the episode ended with new years eve.
GoldenEye 007
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Ah I see. Didn't realize it happened so soon after.
CrankyKong
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I found the first two seasons to be very dry, and could only watch the episodes 25 mins at a time.
Season three was where it took off for me.
Probably a bit late to this conversation, but I don't expect them to change the name of the firm. Or at least I don't expect them to take Lane's name off the door. The Sterling from the original firm was Roger's father, but they kept that on anyways long after he died. Doubt they'd get rid of it just because Lane died (especially since I... think? no one knows about his underhanded financial dealings).
Ignatz Mouse
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He says first American to do a heart transplant. The first one ever has just happened and is in the news.
Ignatz Mouse
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Perhaps Don did not know that.
Krauser Kat
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I love everything. I only saw he first hour so far. Pete actually looks fucking awesome, something that i never thought would happen.
Expendable.
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I thought it was good, not great -- but that's how I felt about the opening two hours last season as well and that turned out great. Just a little too repetitive without much forward momentum.
Fleet_of_Foot
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Like someone earlier in this thread suggested, there has to be a significant reason why the army guy in the bar was in awe of a gun he uses, the 50-caliber "M2" and then the camera Don gives away is a Leica M2. That's not an accident.
The soldier said something about "painting this whole room red" with that gun, and the box the camera comes in is bright red. There's so much going on with cameras in this episode. I wish I was better with meanings. Maybe someone else can figure it out.
Anyway, this episode didn't do a lot for me. The Betty storyline was utterly boring, just like Betty overall. Don't care. There weren't enough in-the-office scenes.
Images of death everywhere. There was one scene with Don in bed where it looked exactly like he was laying in a coffin. The tie on the beach in his Sheraton ad looked like a noose.
At the very beginning, they show Megan crouching over a guy having a heart attack, but I'm not sure it was the doorman. Because when the doorman went down, it never showed Megan doing that. I think it could still be someone else that she's worrying over.
The soldier said something about "painting this whole room red" with that gun, and the box the camera comes in is bright red. There's so much going on with cameras in this episode. I wish I was better with meanings. Maybe someone else can figure it out.
Anyway, this episode didn't do a lot for me. The Betty storyline was utterly boring, just like Betty overall. Don't care. There weren't enough in-the-office scenes.
Images of death everywhere. There was one scene with Don in bed where it looked exactly like he was laying in a coffin. The tie on the beach in his Sheraton ad looked like a noose.
At the very beginning, they show Megan crouching over a guy having a heart attack, but I'm not sure it was the doorman. Because when the doorman went down, it never showed Megan doing that. I think it could still be someone else that she's worrying over.
a secret-boss
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its ok opening episode.
Be a new man and Death! messages were being yelled at to me. I get it. why can't it be ambiguous like Next on Mad Men promor
Be a new man and Death! messages were being yelled at to me. I get it. why can't it be ambiguous like Next on Mad Men promor
Cornballer
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Content roundup for "The Doorway Part 1 & Part 2":
Reviews:
Video:
Other:
Reviews:
- Sepinwall
- Matt Zoller Seitz
- Onion A|V Club
- Maureen Ryan
- Rolling Stone
- Wall Street Journal
- Zap2It
- The Atlantic
- Esquire
- IndieWire
- IGN
- Slate.com
- NY Times
- The Atlantic Part 2
- Salon.com
- EW.com
- Boston Globe
- Tom & Lorenzo (fashion recap will be up later)
- Grantland review
- NPR review
- Matt Zoller Seitz
- Onion A|V Club
- Maureen Ryan
- Rolling Stone
- Wall Street Journal
- Zap2It
- The Atlantic
- Esquire
- IndieWire
- IGN
- Slate.com
- NY Times
- The Atlantic Part 2
- Salon.com
- EW.com
- Boston Globe
- Tom & Lorenzo (fashion recap will be up later)
- Grantland review
- NPR review
Video:
- Promo for next week's episode (please spoiler tag any discussion, youtube)
- AMC: Janie Bryant on Costumes in the Season 6 Premiere: Inside Mad Men (AMC vid)
- AMC: Inside Episode 601 & 602 Mad Men: The Doorway (youtube)
- AMC: Full Mad Men Season Premiere Episode Now Online
- AMC: Janie Bryant on Costumes in the Season 6 Premiere: Inside Mad Men (AMC vid)
- AMC: Inside Episode 601 & 602 Mad Men: The Doorway (youtube)
- AMC: Full Mad Men Season Premiere Episode Now Online
Other:
- The Daily Beast: Matthew Weiner on the ‘The Doorway’ & More
- TV Guide: Jon Hamm on Mad Men's Season 6 Premiere: We Can't All Be Coach Taylor
- HitFix Interview: 'Mad Men' star Elisabeth Moss discusses Peggy's return and lying to reporters
- NY Mag: Mad Men's Matthew Weiner on Hell and Anxiety in the Show’s Season 6 Premiere
- EW.com: Linda Cardellini on her top-secret, watercooler-worthy debut
- NY Mag: Mad Men’s Jon Hamm on His Hope for Don and Telling Fart Jokes With Matt Weiner
- Metro: Vincent Kartheiser: I never get recognised as Mad Men’s Pete Campbell – maybe I just have one of those faces
- NY Mag: Mad Men’s John Slattery on Therapy, the Status of Roger and Joan, and Having to ‘Sob’ Onscreen
- GQ: Mad Props: Mad Men Costume Designer Janie Bryant on Last Night's Season 6 Premiere
- NPR: Chopin's 'Mad Men' Cameo
- Warming Glow: Your Complete Guide To 90s Stars Who Have Randomly Popped Up On ‘Mad Men’
- The Onion: Your Top 10 Favorite 'Mad Men' Characters
- TV Guide: Mad Men's Creator on Season 6's Big Premiere
- THR: Matthew Weiner's 'Mad Men' Spoiler Worries Examined: How Many Really Mattered?
- NY Mag: Does Don Draper Want to Be Every Woman He Sleeps With?
- NY Mag: Mad Men Fashion Recap: Janie Bryant on Betty’s Brown Dye Job, Henry’s Sweaters, and Harry’s Sideburns
- Grantland: Mad Men Power Rankings, Episode 601/602: 'The Doorway'
- Parody video: TV For Real - Mad Men
- EW.com: 'Mad Men' season 6 premiere ratings steady
- Gothamist: Did The 1967 "Groovy Murders" Inspire Mad Men Runaway Girl Storyline?
- THR: Show Designer Janie Bryant On Jessica Pare's Smashing Looks for the Season Premiere
- TV Guide: Jon Hamm on Mad Men's Season 6 Premiere: We Can't All Be Coach Taylor
- HitFix Interview: 'Mad Men' star Elisabeth Moss discusses Peggy's return and lying to reporters
- NY Mag: Mad Men's Matthew Weiner on Hell and Anxiety in the Show’s Season 6 Premiere
- EW.com: Linda Cardellini on her top-secret, watercooler-worthy debut
- NY Mag: Mad Men’s Jon Hamm on His Hope for Don and Telling Fart Jokes With Matt Weiner
- Metro: Vincent Kartheiser: I never get recognised as Mad Men’s Pete Campbell – maybe I just have one of those faces
- NY Mag: Mad Men’s John Slattery on Therapy, the Status of Roger and Joan, and Having to ‘Sob’ Onscreen
- GQ: Mad Props: Mad Men Costume Designer Janie Bryant on Last Night's Season 6 Premiere
- NPR: Chopin's 'Mad Men' Cameo
- Warming Glow: Your Complete Guide To 90s Stars Who Have Randomly Popped Up On ‘Mad Men’
- The Onion: Your Top 10 Favorite 'Mad Men' Characters
- TV Guide: Mad Men's Creator on Season 6's Big Premiere
- THR: Matthew Weiner's 'Mad Men' Spoiler Worries Examined: How Many Really Mattered?
- NY Mag: Does Don Draper Want to Be Every Woman He Sleeps With?
- NY Mag: Mad Men Fashion Recap: Janie Bryant on Betty’s Brown Dye Job, Henry’s Sweaters, and Harry’s Sideburns
- Grantland: Mad Men Power Rankings, Episode 601/602: 'The Doorway'
- Parody video: TV For Real - Mad Men
- EW.com: 'Mad Men' season 6 premiere ratings steady
- Gothamist: Did The 1967 "Groovy Murders" Inspire Mad Men Runaway Girl Storyline?
- THR: Show Designer Janie Bryant On Jessica Pare's Smashing Looks for the Season Premiere
Interesting first episode. Not as exciting as last season, for sure! We've spent a long time thinking about death on Mad Men, but this is one of the first episodes where what comes next the front and center topic. Not surprising, as the sixties -- and the series -- ends.
Fun moments:
- "THIS IS MY FUNERAL!"
- Peggy's conversation with the pastor is one of my favorite bits in the whole show.
- Also, her inability to recognize how much like Don she is.
- It's funny to me how much work they put in to rehabilitate Betty's character and remind us that actually she went to Bryn Mawr, used to be a model, is actually pretty good at dealing with children that aren't her own, etc. Somebody's been reading the internet! But it's good, because you can't understand Betty's character without understanding how intelligent and capable she really is.
- I remember thinking, wow, Hawaii looked exactly the same in the sixties! Then I remembered that Mad Men is actually shot in the present day and felt stupid. But I still think it's interesting (for a kama'aina, anyway) to realize how much tourist culture in Hawaii is basically the same fifty years later. Although we have the PCC now and I don't think they do those terrible tables at the Royal Hawaiian any more.
- You can tell how domesticated Don has become. From sleeping with Manhattan heiresses and celebrity's wives, he's dropped down to, literally, coveting his neighbor's wife.
Fun moments:
- "THIS IS MY FUNERAL!"
- Peggy's conversation with the pastor is one of my favorite bits in the whole show.
- Also, her inability to recognize how much like Don she is.
- It's funny to me how much work they put in to rehabilitate Betty's character and remind us that actually she went to Bryn Mawr, used to be a model, is actually pretty good at dealing with children that aren't her own, etc. Somebody's been reading the internet! But it's good, because you can't understand Betty's character without understanding how intelligent and capable she really is.
- I remember thinking, wow, Hawaii looked exactly the same in the sixties! Then I remembered that Mad Men is actually shot in the present day and felt stupid. But I still think it's interesting (for a kama'aina, anyway) to realize how much tourist culture in Hawaii is basically the same fifty years later. Although we have the PCC now and I don't think they do those terrible tables at the Royal Hawaiian any more.
- You can tell how domesticated Don has become. From sleeping with Manhattan heiresses and celebrity's wives, he's dropped down to, literally, coveting his neighbor's wife.
-Pyromaniac-
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I thought the same. He will die and then someone will come to return the lighter/notify him of his death and Don will have one of those moments of deep thought.
Dance Inferno
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I saw the lighter as a nod towards the fact that Don can't escape his past, and even when he throws away the lighter because he wants to forget about it, it comes back to him somehow.
It's either that or someone in the army finds the lighter with Don's name on it and starts to unravel the persona that Don has created. I kind doubt it plays out this way though, since it's too on the nose.
It's either that or someone in the army finds the lighter with Don's name on it and starts to unravel the persona that Don has created. I kind doubt it plays out this way though, since it's too on the nose.
sixteen-bit
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The surgeon's wife
brianjones
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dont do what donny dont does
Yup. Plus, very easy way to tie in themes about Vietnam and the 60s counter culture, and all that fun stuff.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Thought the same. I think though some how it will make Don grow a little more and
bring back the Dick side of him his early years. Especially puking after the mention of his mother. Something is up.
BenjaminBirdie
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oh shaaaaaaa really?????
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