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Mad Men - Season 6 - Sundays on AMC

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mcfrank

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I saw the 2 hour premiere a few weeks ago. If anyone has any questions, ask away.

Good, slow build up episode. Some great Peggy moments. Nice ending
 

Muffdraul

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Right now my one wish is that he was looking straight into the camera.
 
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Breaths Heavily in to the phone

Glenn: I'm only on this show because my dad wants me to be closer to him

Sally: Your creepy

Glenn: I know.
 
- Matt Zoller Seitz on Season 6: Don Draper’s Inferno *some spoilers*
Mad Men is often about the unsatisfying, unknowable, uncontrollable nature of both life and storytelling—about the impossibility of life taking on the neat contours of fiction, no matter how many faintly literary allusions and how much foreshadowing it may contain.
 

LCfiner

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yaay! looking forward to the new season.

It feels a little weird to have all the shows I like start their seasons in the spring. It's the exact opposite of how things were when I was a kid.
 

Axiology

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I just finished catching up a couple minutes ago, now I'll be able to watch it live for the first time ^_^

Also, I gotta say I found season 5 to be better than 4 in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, they were both good, but I think 4 started off very strong with several really great episodes in a row (especially The Crysanthemum and the Sword) and then dropped a little bit of steam by the end. Of course, there were a lot of really great moments in the last half of 4 too, like everything having to do with Anna and the episode where Don is afraid to call California, but I felt the main conflict in the last couple episodes was a little less powerful than it could have been. Obviously the loss of Lucky Strike and the widespread downsizing of the company was a pretty big deal (and eventually had many longterm effects for everyone, especially Roger and Layne :( ), but it didn't have the punch of the departure from Sterling Cooper in season 3. I also enjoyed season 4's focus on Don and his displacement from society/search for a new wife, but I felt it all wrapped up a little too abruptly (although I do like Megan... and also liked the psychoanalyst chick).

Season 5 in comparison started off a little rocky to me, but picked up by the end. In the beginning there were 2 episodes in a short space that were heavily reliant on dream sequences (the one where Don sleeps with that chick and strangles her and the one with Pete going after that highschool chick), and I really really hate dream sequences. I did enjoy what those episodes were trying to say, though, and I felt the overall narrative was served very well with the themes presented in the earlier episodes (especially Pete's relationship with the guy on the train). I felt the show was moving on a more consistent pace in the last half of season 5 than it was in the last half of season 4, with the conflicts and situations growing more and more in intensity. Layne's money issues, Joan's struggles at home and with the Jaguar incident, Peggy's growing distance from Don, Don's conflicts with his wife, Pete's growing reputation and power, etc. I felt like it all came together pretty smoothly and satisfyingly, almost in a manner reminiscent of season 3's stellar last half, but not quite as spectacular. I'm ready for 6, baby.

As for the whole issue of race in Mad Men, I really can't see it as much more than a non-issue, and I'm half-Puerto Rican, half-Haitian. I've heard one of my friends pretty much going on about the same thing and I'm just like "It's a show about an ad agency in the 60's". Not only that, the show goes way out of their way to show not only the detriments of the business culture of this time, but the racial and gender tensions and movements of the time. Just because there aren't black actors in the vast majority of scenes doesn't mean they're just focusing on whites in order to cater to a white audience. While that's an accusation that applies to television and movies as a whole, I can't see why anyone would direct it at Mad Men, which again, has never really shied away from the issue of race and focuses on an ad agency in the 60's. Even if you did wish minorities had more of a presence in the show, I feel like labeling the situation of a character like Dawn "disgusting" is going a bit too far. And then to compare Dawn to Ginsburg? Obviously Ginsburg is annoying, but he is a much more integral part of the business than Dawn is and was already more important the minute he showed up.

Docking the show for not placing an inordinate amount of focus on a secretary when they don't really have to (unless the script calls for it) seems a little silly to me.
 

Mangotron

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So pumped.

I also found S5 to be much more enjoyable on my rewatch, for some reason I had a much better appreciation for Megan's character. That and the Don/Joan ep is just <3.
 

Axiology

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...my friend over there was wondering, are you alone?

"No, I'm happily married, go away"

Or at least that's what I hope he says. These writers are gonna have to pull something incredible to interest me in another affair storyline. If there's one thing that bothers me about the show it's its sometimes too-nebulous manner of storytelling. It seemed like he was gonna stop cheating after "The Carousel" in season 1, then he screws around with the Barrett lady, then later on it seems like he's given it up, but then bangs the teacher. After the episode "The Summer Man" I assumed he was gonna stop drinking and screwing around. He didn't stop drinking, just did less of it, and as for the screwing around... Well, he stopped doing that at least, but now they're hinting he might start again. (I mean, the last time he cheated it was in a dream and he didn't even want to do it... then he choked her out!)

I don't even have a problem if he does, but it's gotta be awfully compelling to interest me again.
 
I'm trying to remember a pretty fantastic moment from last season, and I know it has a few GIFs floating around. Did Don throw something in someone's face? Or did he do an exceptionally good job at telling someone off? I know I'm being incredibly vague, but maybe one of you will know what I'm talking about.
 

Talon

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"No, I'm happily married, go away"

Or at least that's what I hope he says. These writers are gonna have to pull something incredible to interest me in another affair storyline. If there's one thing that bothers me about the show it's its sometimes too-nebulous manner of storytelling. It seemed like he was gonna stop cheating after "The Carousel" in season 1, then he screws around with the Barrett lady, then later on it seems like he's given it up, but then bangs the teacher. After the episode "The Summer Man" I assumed he was gonna stop drinking and screwing around. He didn't stop drinking, just did less of it, and as for the screwing around... Well, he stopped doing that at least, but now they're hinting he might start again. (I mean, the last time he cheated it was in a dream and he didn't even want to do it... then he choked her out!)

I don't even have a problem if he does, but it's gotta be awfully compelling to interest me again.
"The road to failure is paved with good intentions" is pretty prescriptive of Don as a man, a father and a husband.
 

Axiology

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Yup.

Another one from last season:

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Don is a G at handing those out XD

Not even considering the fact that in that same episode he recognized Ginsburg's genius, then was inspired by him and then screwed him over just to beat him. Stone cole.

Something i realized watching the last few seasons of Mad Men was just how funny the show is. Like, I have to pause every other scene because of how hard I'm laughing. It's pretty great how they can weave such a consistent strand of humor through a non-comedic show.
 
I only have one thought about season 6: RIP Fat Betty

Nice OP Cornballer. There is a typo in the schedule section, you list the episode The Collaborators twice, above and below the synopsis for it.
 

KarmaCow

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I was listening to Comedy Bang Bang this morning and damn, Jon Hamm has it all. Why did he have to be genuinely funny on top of everything else? :(
 
Definitely excited. Watched Season 5 last year and got hooked. Just finished the Blu-ray of Season 1 this weekend. Still need to catch up on 2,3, and 4 though. Maybe through Netflix since they were offering a free month to try and lure me back.
 
Its pretty crazy watching the show independent from the internet or other fans's opinions only to go back later and read what others think.

People who hate Don but watch the show anyways blow my mind
 

xenist

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People who hate Don but watch the show anyways blow my mind

Why? Though I can't say I hate Don I certainly pity him. He's a mess, but an interesting one. I hate Walter White. I detest him. He's a whiny mean impotent little bastard rat that got way more than his share of good luck. I cannot wait until someone puts a bullet in his bald head or he rots away from cancer. I still watch Breaking Bad religiously.

It's about being interesting. Not likeable. Charles Foster Kane is a monster. Lawrence is a psychopath. Everyone in Chinatown is a piece of shit. Everyone in Godfather is scum. Apocalypse Now is populated almost solely by the clinically insane. And so on ...
 
Something i realized watching the last few seasons of Mad Men was just how funny the show is. Like, I have to pause every other scene because of how hard I'm laughing. It's pretty great how they can weave such a consistent strand of humor through a non-comedic show.

well matthew weiner came from writing for the sopranos, which pretty much perfected what you just mentioned.
 
Why? Though I can't say I hate Don I certainly pity him. He's a mess, but an interesting one. I hate Walter White. I detest him. He's a whiny mean impotent little bastard rat that got way more than his share of good luck. I cannot wait until someone puts a bullet in his bald head or he rots away from cancer. I still watch Breaking Bad religiously.

It's about being interesting. Not likeable. Charles Foster Kane is a monster. Lawrence is a psychopath. Everyone in Chinatown is a piece of shit. Everyone in Godfather is scum. Apocalypse Now is populated almost solely by the clinically insane. And so on ...
good point. Its mostly because I find Don to be the draw of the show, I like his character. Seeing people totally detest the character was just surprising to me. He has a high code of ethics in some areas but can totally lack empathy in others. He completely falls apart when the different aspects of his compartmentalize life start to blur. Hes stunted emotionally (and unfortunately) there are aspects of that I can relate with. I empathize with the fact he can be such a mess but pushes forward despite his past and his current problems.

I really pulled for Walter White the first couple of seasons, even though he's a grade A manipulative scumbag. Your Breaking Bad example is a good one, because I don't like WW anymore but still love the show.
oh god not this debate again
first time for me there, hot shot. simmer down
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