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Mad Men - Season 6 - Sundays on AMC

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Leona Lewis

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That episode was dense as FUCK. Felt much longer than it actually was because so much was happening.

The rule stands. Joan-centric episodes >>>>>

LET'S RE-WATCH TOGETHER
 
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BertramCooper

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That episode ROCKED. (And boy-oh-boy, does Jessica Pare look horrible in that maid getup.)

After that and an awesome ep of Game of Thrones, I'm in TV nirvana right now.

I'll have to catch Veep in the morning.
 
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Dance Inferno

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I finished re-watching Season 5 today (while downing an entire bottle of wine), and after watching today's episode, this has been a really good day. What a great show.
 
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SaltyDoughnut

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This episode was incredible. The momentum just keeps on building this season. I feel like this is the kind of stuff that usually happens much further along in the season and I'm pumped to see how SCDP handles the CGC competition. I was a big fan of SCDP's season 4 victory against the agency, but man... who knows what Weiner's cooking up these days. I really do prefer the episodes that focus more on business and the office, so I was completely satisfied this time around.
 
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Zeus Molecules

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Don annihilating his wife's confidence and then cheating on her right afterwards. Damn.
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I think he was projecting his anger at losing the heinz account, and then the cockold joke the swinger actress made didn't help. No excuse for his behavior but he lost control
 
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Black Mamba

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It's interesting how progressive Don is with women in his own workplace (Peggy and Megan) but how possessive and antiquated he is of his wife(s) and wants them to always either be by his side or in his home being a homemaker while he fucks behind their back.
 
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fat pat

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This episode was so so excellent.

Joan just keeps getting the balls cut off of her. She gets promoted, makes a stand against joey(was it joey? drew the comic of her and layne?), then peggy goes and fires her. She fires this other girl, harry says she isnt fired. The people in charge gave her some power by making her partner, but the underlings at this place keep chewing her up because she doesnt want to be a frigid bitch. Shes becoming one of the most sympathetic characters on the show.

Dawns friend is ridiculously beautiful.

After the look Don gave Megan after she kissed him goodbye, i thought something had changed in him. After yelling at Megan, pulling up the penny and clasping Lindsay Weir's hand around it, i thought i was gonna go home. Then he pulls the rug out from under me.

This episode. man.
 
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Skiesofwonder

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Best episode of the season so far. Don is a fucking asshole, but sorry Peggy, he had the better pitch.
 
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Leona Lewis

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Skiesofwonder said:
Best episode of the season so far. Don is a fucking asshole, but sorry Peggy, he had the better pitch.
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Really? That abstract, subliminal shit is exactly why he's been such a failure professionally this season. Same thing with the ad campaign with the stray clothes and suitcase.

Peggy realized she was selling ketchup, not a religion. And that's what she did.
 
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Zeus Molecules

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Leona Lewis said:
Really? That abstract, subliminal shit is exactly why he's been such a failure professionally this season. Same thing with the ad campaign with the stray clothes and suitcase.

Peggy realized she was selling ketchup, not a religion. And that's what she did.
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very good point I think Don's inability to know what he wants in his personal life is definitely affecting his professional work
 
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CzarTim

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Leona Lewis said:
Really? That abstract, subliminal shit is exactly why he's been such a failure professionally this season. Same thing with the ad campaign with the stray clothes and suitcase.

Peggy realized she was selling ketchup, not a religion. And that's what she did.
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I much preferred Don's pitch, but it was obviously not what the client wanted.
 
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brianjones

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i liked don's pitch better personally

peggy stealing don's line ... damn
 
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Don's pitch was certainly better in terms of ingraining an idea in someone's mind. You see "pass the Heinz" and some french fries and yeah, you're thinking of that delicious brand name ketchup.

But, Peggy's was more of that pure "in your face" style of advertising and that's what the client preferred. Just a giant bottle of Ketchup. Heinz. Boom. No Bullshit.

Don has been going for more thought-provoking and abstract advertising, but if anything the general shift in advertising is going towards the more blatant variety. Peggy doing the exact opposite of Don was a brilliant move. I guess it may have to do with "older generation vs. younger generation" as well.

RaidenZR said:
I thought Don's pitch and SCDP's ads were way better. I thought it was obvious and totally the point. We heard that the guy wanted to maybe see the bottle still so that's why finding out they went with Peggy's is believable.
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He said "he'd think about it" but in the end he just wanted the bottle and he wanted it straight up, so he went with Peggy's pitch because that gave him the bottle right then and there.

As much as I like Peggy I do think SCDP's ad was slightly more intelligent and thus think it should have won, but it was a competition and Peggy did the exact thing that Heinz desired, right away.
 
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RaidenZR

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I thought Don's pitch and SCDP's ads were way better. I thought it was obvious and totally the point. We heard that the guy wanted to maybe see the bottle still so that's why finding out they went with Peggy's is believable.
 
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pigeon

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The biggest reason Peggy won the bakeoff is that she did something Don almost never does -- she sold the client. Peggy starts by telling the client that the competitors are cheap knockoffs compared to the glory of Heinz ketchup. The pitch isn't just designed to sell the product, it's designed to flatter the account. Sure, having the bottle in the shot is good too, but in a sense that's just supposed to show she understands the ketchup guy's desires better. In this case, that desire was to have his dripping phallus symbolically splattered all over Times Square. Which should be pretty clear just from looking at him.
 
Angry Fork

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Don is such an absolute shithead, jesus. It's never been worse than this episode imo. I can't wait to see Megan's reaction if/when she finds out what he's been doing.

And Peggy is a real asshole now, shame, capitalism claims another decent person. Deserved the middle finger and I hope it comes back to haunt her.

Leona Lewis said:
Really? That abstract, subliminal shit is exactly why he's been such a failure professionally this season. Same thing with the ad campaign with the stray clothes and suitcase.

Peggy realized she was selling ketchup, not a religion. And that's what she did.
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I think he meant better pitch as in it was more interesting/creative, not that it's better because it won the client over. This show has plenty of times told us that clients often have no clue what sells, what's actual 'good' creative work, or even what they want.
 
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SaltyDoughnut

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pigeon said:
The biggest reason Peggy won the bakeoff is that she did something Don almost never does -- she sold the client. Peggy starts by telling the client that the competitors are cheap knockoffs compared to the glory of Heinz ketchup. The pitch isn't just designed to sell the product, it's designed to flatter the account. Sure, having the bottle in the shot is good too, but in a sense that's just supposed to show she understands the ketchup guy's desires better. In this case, that desire was to have his dripping phallus symbolically splattered all over Times Square. Which should be pretty clear just from looking at him.
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dat phallus.
 
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Skiesofwonder

Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Leona Lewis said:
Really? That abstract, subliminal shit is exactly why he's been such a failure professionally this season. Same thing with the ad campaign with the stray clothes and suitcase.

Peggy realized she was selling ketchup, not a religion. And that's what she did.
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Bladenic said:
No, it wasn't.
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Don's ad-lineup made me crave ketchup. It stuck with me. It makes you think about a pile of fries begging to be smothered by ketchup. For a second, it puts you at that table asking for the heinz's ketchup. Peggy's ad was so by the numbers. Yay, there is only one ketchup! How exactly is that suppose to make me crave or want ketchup? Btw, there is also only one catsup. If I was flipping through a magazine and came across that particular ad, it would leave my mind as quickly as it entered.

I'm hungry now.


Edit: wait, did I miss something? I thought neither Peggy or Don's ads won over Heinz's ketchup? I thought I heard Ned say that another (bigger) agency swooped in and got it.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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Just watched the episode. Crazy ending. Don is a messed up dude. Honestly have no idea where his story is going to go/end the rest of this season and next. The theme in this episode was being a dick, because pretty much everyone was one except Dawn and Joan lol. And Megan, as usual.

As for Don's ad, he has always been ahead of his time. I remember Weiner explaining that what he is trying to show is that Don isn't being left behind by the younger crowd but in fact still has it and then some. And I agree. Once again he pushed for some next level shit while Peggy's ad pandered. She sold it well though with the presentation leading up to the said pandering ad. She does the Don presentation well :p
 
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Axiology

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Just finished watching the episode. Goddamn, it was flawless. Mad Men at its best. Almost seemed like there was enough packed into it for 2 episodes, but they accomplished it all in 1.

I don't think Don has ever been a bigger scumbag than he was in this episode. It was actually cringeworthy to see him attack Megan for her sex scene and then go off and bang the doc's wife. Goddamn. And all the plot lines had perfect tension and execution tonight. Harry's issue with Joan, for instance, worked so well because even though Harry was playing his hand too boldly (and is usually cast as the fool), he has a point in Joan's promotion not being entirely fair. And then the goddamn Ketchup scene, holy shit. That moment when they walk out the room and you see Chaou-guh-guh and Peggy sitting there. Then Don's realization that Peggy was cutthroatingly using his own techniques against him... Then the aftermath in the bar, complete with angry Ken, who, again, isn't wrong about his anger (because they really handled that in a fucked up way). They even gave some shine to Dawn, who everyone was complaining didn't have a deep enough story.

I don't know if it's just me (I haven't read through the thread yet), but I really thought this episode was god-tier television. Easily the best in the season so far.

Part of why it was so good, I feel, is because it was the first time in the season we've been really "back at the office". The first 3 episodes really focus way more on Don, Megan and the Dr. family than they did on the actual office, and seeing all the elements we've been missing in play and handled so beautifully was great.

It seems like everybody's looking to swing in the 60's XD
 
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Black Mamba

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pigeon said:
The biggest reason Peggy won the bakeoff is that she did something Don almost never does -- she sold the client. Peggy starts by telling the client that the competitors are cheap knockoffs compared to the glory of Heinz ketchup. The pitch isn't just designed to sell the product, it's designed to flatter the account. Sure, having the bottle in the shot is good too, but in a sense that's just supposed to show she understands the ketchup guy's desires better. In this case, that desire was to have his dripping phallus symbolically splattered all over Times Square. Which should be pretty clear just from looking at him.
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uh, I thought both agencies lost the bake-off. They went with the biggest agency around instead of either of them? Or did I miss this?
 
Angry Fork

Angry Fork

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I thought the line about hoping Don finds peace was silly/forceful, that's about the only flaw for me. Why would she care if he found peace? They both seem to acknowledge that they don't really care that deeply for one another it's just a fling. Does she not believe she needs this peace too if she's doing the same as him? Just thought it was weird.
 
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