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Mad Men - Season 6 - Sundays on AMC
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Black Mamba
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I'm 99% sure I heard that too.
Some of you are too busy posting on neogaf during the episode it seems.
Yeah that's why he asks if they can join the lonely hearts club when they enter the bar/restaurant/whatever.
Davey Cakes
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This is why I shouldn't eat while I watch the show. Need that 100% attention to the TV. I missed the line about the bigger company. I thought they were referring to themselves with the victory.
It actually makes more sense that this wasn't the case. I don't think Peggy would be the type to go to the bar and rub it in. Just joining the "lonely hearts club."
Don't know where my mind was. Should I rewatch this episode?
Futurevoid
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I just got done watching the episode and I'm pretty sure Peggie's boss says Heinz "bought" The ad right then and there? I thought that meant they went for Peggie's ad? The line about smaller companies fighting over scraps was about the other part of the Heinz business (beans!) which Raymond pulled from Ken after he found out they were secretly meeting behind his back after telling them not to.
Leona Lewis
Banned
Whatever to this post, but FUCK YOUR AVATAR.
I thought Ted said that Heinz signed off on Peggy's campaign right in the room. There were only two meetings anyway. I'm going to have to re-watch...for the third time.
Davey Cakes
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See, that's what I was thinking! I thought they were referring to the client "buying" their idea, but did I miss something? The "right in the room" thing was referring to Peggy's pitch?
Need clarification!
I believe this man is correct.
Angry Fork
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rofl, I was hoping it would scare people. You're the 3rd person that's mentioned it in like a few days, gonna change it back to something normal tomorrow.
Black Mamba
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They said it went to the largest ad agency, didn't they? I thought Peggy's in a same-size agency as SCDP?
I even thought they named the agency and he said "they took X while we were in the room"
I even thought they named the agency and he said "they took X while we were in the room"
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
no they got the Ad, thats why pete was so mad SDCP paid for the hotel room and stan gave peggy the middle finger (I hope he stops talking business with her after this) the stuff about the smaller agencies fighting for the scraps was an attack an underhanded reply to petes joke about they could steal beans as well. He was trying to say SDCP is a small timer.
I am going to say it again this is going to lead to war between the two agencies and Don has shown a knack so far of winning those. Also I think the biggest news is Harry being agressive. I could see him forcing his way into being a partner
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
They "bought" the ad right then and there from a third (different and bigger) company who presented after Peggy's presentation I'm assuming. Hence the "lonely heart" line and the smaller companies fighting over the scraps comment. Just look at Ned's face in the gif posted above, does that look like a man that just won Heinz's ketchup for his advertising company?
Futurevoid
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Right, I think we're saying the same thing.
Edit: ok. Time to rewatch it again tomorrow and sort this out. lol.
Shit, you're right. Fucking Mad Men. Mishear one line and you misinterpret an entire scene. "J. Walter Thompson. Bought it in the room." And then Stan says they're the biggest agency around. That was really confusing because they've never mentioned that agency before.
I'm still right about the huge ketchup penis, though.
Leona Lewis
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Ok, you're right. James Walter Thompson was the agency that won the campaign.
When Chaugh-uh-uh said, "James Walter Thompson said so," I assumed he meant the Heinz exec. But nope.
Both firms losing puts a different spin on things
When Chaugh-uh-uh said, "James Walter Thompson said so," I assumed he meant the Heinz exec. But nope.
Both firms losing puts a different spin on things
Yeah I'm an idiot. I totally heard all the dialogue, I just don't know why I didn't process it properly.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
I'm pretty sure they said that Heinz bought in right there in the room from them (CGC). Why else would they say it?
Ted(?) was just mocking Don and SCDP.
Futurevoid
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Damn you Mad Men and your density!!
Davey Cakes
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Well, at least I wasn't alone on this one.
Came out of this episode seeing Don in the negative light that he is supposed to be seen in for the first time. Seriously, fuck that guy. What an asshole.
Also, I really don't care for Joan. When Harry stormed into the meeting, I couldn't help but agree with most of what he was saying, even if he was being a petulant twat about it.
Also, I really don't care for Joan. When Harry stormed into the meeting, I couldn't help but agree with most of what he was saying, even if he was being a petulant twat about it.
Black Mamba
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Dude, that is a clever avatar. I looked and saw nothing. Then I almost swatted my monitor for a split second before realizing THAT is your avatar. Brilliant.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Thanks. Don't watch Mad Men first thing in the morning is the lesson here.
Black Mamba
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Apparently, this is historically accurate. JWT agency had heinz ketchup IRL.
https://my.jwt.com/public/jwt_net.n...4877703b4120c2408525793500486c05?OpenDocument
Leona Lewis
Banned
I have a question: How exactly was Joan giving Dawn responsibility for monitoring the supply and timesheet room a merciful act of generosity? It doesn't really prove that Joan trusts her - it's just an intimidation tactic (because now she'll get the full brunt of it when something else happens).
Not sure why Dawn responded so warmly to it, unless it was just that she was grateful to not be fired.
Not sure why Dawn responded so warmly to it, unless it was just that she was grateful to not be fired.
I thought it was punishment because now Dawn has to make sure everyone else is in line and like you mentioned, if something bad happens, Dawn gets all the blame.
And I would respond to it warmly if that meant keeping the job.
Black Mamba
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I think part of it was putting a black woman in charge of anything being a pretty big deal.
She's in a nearly 100% white office and the white secretaries have to go through her.
I think in actuality it was Joan letting Dawn know what it's like to be the most hated female in the office for a while, since she'll let be in charge of the time clock and responsible for making sure no one leaves early, etc.
In Dawn's mind she went from being certainly fired to having what she sees at added responsibilities, so she thinks it's a sort of gift from Joan.
Davey Cakes
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I agree. It feels as if I've been meant to dislike him for a while now, but without being previously turned. After this ep though? Yeah, he's crossed the line for me and has finally lost my sympathy.
brianjones
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eh this isnt any worse than what don has done in the past
like telling betty not to wear bikinis to the pool while he carries on an affair
like telling betty not to wear bikinis to the pool while he carries on an affair
Leona Lewis
Banned
I would've come away with the same interpretation had Dawn not randomly mentioned that she only cares if Joan likes her.
But I don't get the sense that Joan "likes" anyone in that office - compare how frigid she is there with how warmly and sisterly she treats her friend Kate.
EDIT: K, the angle of being given "power" (no matter how dubious or unpopular that power is) makes sense in the context of Dawn's grievances to her sexy ass friend (did she have a name?).
Davey Cakes
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Right, but that was his first marriage. Him not learning his lesson since then only adds to the problem.
Megan being so honest and worried also adds to the contrast.
Except for the ton of irony in this episode. Megan is upfront to Don about her acting the fake love scene while Don is hiding his real love making to Megan.
B For Bendetta
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I really liked the Joan storyline. Shows that despite being a partner she is still not given the respect she deserves. Do you think Harry would have acted towards Don the way he did towards her?
Lots of foreshadowing this episode:
My first thought, is that how they will bring Peggy and Don back together? It's obvious they're a better team together and less successful apart.
SDCP joining with Peggy's firm?
- "Before we get bigger we need to get bigger"
- "We are the same sized company"
- "Leaving the small guys to fight for scraps"
- Everyone ending up in the same bar afterwards
- "Lonely hearts"
My first thought, is that how they will bring Peggy and Don back together? It's obvious they're a better team together and less successful apart.
SDCP joining with Peggy's firm?
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Joan being made partner is the rough equivalent to Dawn given the responsibility.
Neither earned their roles - they got them due to the social pressures on their respective 'minority' (gender and race). In so doing they can't actually do the job they want to do properly because they aren't taken seriously.
I get what you're saying, and that was certainly the point of the storyline, but I do think Harry may have acted the same way toward Pete if Pete fired his secretary without his permission. Certainly not Don or the other upper level executives though.
Also, somehow I haven't even noticed in the first three episodes, but is the company still called Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce?
Think so, at least by the signage on the door.
Black Mamba
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I...didn't put that together but now that you mention it this sounds like a real possibility.
I think you're forgetting that Joan was the office manager for years at Sterling Cooper, and that at the time the office manager is basically the head secretary. Joan isn't making Dawn office manager flat out, but giving her responsibility for riding herd over the other secretaries when it comes to skipping out is absolutely a huge vote of confidence from Joan. Dawn knows that Joan is just being her usual honest-but-lying self when she says it's a punishment. What it is, is a test -- hence "we'll see."
Well, Harry does act much the same way towards Roger and Bert later.
This is really a double-edged storyline, because Joan is obviously justified in her actions, but Harry's also not wrong. He's in the unenviable position of being the indispensable but not respected employee. He probably should be a partner. Of course, he won't be any time soon now, but that's because Harry was never any good at politics. He just happened to pick up the right job right before it became the most important thing in media.
No of course not but its because of fearless women like Joan that gave the feminist movement a platform to push for equality in the workplace.
Joan like all pioneers don't experience a glamorous uphill climb even though history will tell you otherwise. History doesn't like to talk about the actualities women faced during those times.
I think her portrayal as one of the first women executive's in business is one of the realist parts of the show.
And at the same time Harry is absolutely correct in his corner's defense. He adds tremendous value to the company. I think he made it pretty clear that he won't settle for less than a partnership. Perhaps a constant stream of commission checks is enough to settle his ambitions.
B For Bendetta
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You guys are totally right about Harry and his staus. He is singlehandedly responsible for their television department. As far as how he acted, he is stronghanded with Roger and Bert, but not personal like the shot he took at Joan. Shaping up to be a really interesting power struggle between their loyalty to Joan and their reliance on Harry and his work
Find it funny that Joan helped Harry tremendously with the script reading when it first took off. Harry wouldn't be where he is now if it wasn't for Joan.
Also, do you think it'll eventually come down to Joan vs. Harry?
Leona Lewis
Banned
I don't see why they can't just give in to his demands. Bert's not long for this world, and Lane's dead, so they'll need fresh blood to lead anyway.
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