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Mad Men - Season 6 - Sundays on AMC

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Ignatz Mouse

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Just read T&L. I think they have Harry Crane completely wrong. His character is not in some sort of discontinuous break from his past self, but rather a picture of somebody whose been corrupted over time and rationalizes his behavior. Yeah, Harry is an asshole, but we've seen how he became one, albiet in very small slices. Disliked and/or made fun of by bosses, largely ignored except when he clumsiy promotes himself, and with a heightened sense of self-importance. I think we know him very well indeed.
 
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kirblar

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Just read T&L. I think they have Harry Crane completely wrong. His character is not in some sort of discontinuous break from his past self, but rather a picture of somebody whose been corrupted over time and rationalizes his behavior. Yeah, Harry is an asshole, but we've seen how he became one, albiet in very small slices. Disliked and/or made fun of by bosses, largely ignored except when he clumsiy promotes himself, and with a heightened sense of self-importance. I think we know him very well indeed.
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He's a guy who happened to be in the right place at the right time, and thus vastly overrates the value he brings to his position.
 
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Altazor

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I admit I laughed a bit when Betty said "WHY ARE YOU DESTROYING THIS HOUSE?!" It's so exaggerated, so... Betty
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Oh yeah, I liked the episode but it was a bit slower. It's kinda strange to root for Pete, though, but even if it wasn't motivated by a complex understanding of racial tension and struggles and what the untimely death of MLK meant for the civil-rights movement, at least he was right.

Also, Creepy Ethan Rom was hilarious. I laughed out loud several times during that meeting.
 
Z

Zeus Molecules

illegal immigrants are stealing our air
anyone thought it was a zen moment of self reflection when Roger said he was surprised King was shot because he always thought he could talk his way out of it. That is Roger's outlook to a T on life. No matter what he believes he can talk his way in or out of it (and he is usually right) Roger hasn't been used much this season, but everytime he speaks its like he is in therapy, which is ironic because he is in therapy.

Like last week when he told Don he had never seen such a fine version of self immolation and Roger is known for causing crash and burns in public like his mothers funeral or the time the japanese customers came to SDCP.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Grantland is hilarious:

Harry vs. Pete, round-by-round:

Round 1:
Harry: "The clients won't take make-goods; they want their money back."
Pete: "That's disgusting."
Harry: "I don't know. Enough of this crap already. All these special broadcasts preempting the prime-time schedule. Bewitched, Merv, Dean Martin. You know they might cancel the Stanley Cup?"
Pete: "How dare you! This cannot be made good. It's shameful! It's a shameful, shameful day!"

In the face of a historically terrible tragedy, if you're going to try to be the "practical one," you'd damn well better throw down something better than a witch-com and hockey. A shameful, shameful performance.
Winner: Pete Campbell.

Round 2:
Harry: "Don't you scream at me! You don't think I'm upset about that man being shot?"
Pete: "Only because it's costing you, you pig!"
Winner: Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is merely "that man"? Harry Crane is indeed a bottom-line-obsessed pig.

Round 3:
Harry: "It's costing all of us. When is it gonna stop? Nobody will be happy till they turn the most beautiful city in the world into a shithole."
Winner: Pete Campbell. Harry is really burying himself underneath a mound of his own flaming garbage; it doesn't even matter how Pete answered.

Round 4:
[They shake hands at Bert Cooper's urging.]
Harry: "I'm sorry. I suppose that my comments were inappropriate. I mistook this for a workday."
Pete: "Don't worry, I'm sure you can make your money back on a Movie of the Week about the death of a great man."
Winner: Sick burn, Pete.

Round 5
Pete:"We are in the presence of a bona fide racist."
Harry: "That's the new thing. EVERYBODY's a racist."
Winner: The new thing is that Harry is getting his racist ass handed to him by a guy who was beaten up in a conference room and on a commuter train last season.

Round 6:
Pete: "Let me put this in terms you'll understand: That man had a wife and four children!"
Harry: "You don't care about Dr. King at all. Or civil rights. This is all about the family that's slipping away from you because you're a greedy, dissatisfied monster who can't learn to be happy with what he has, isn't it? This is all about Pete Campbell, just like everything else."
Winner: Let's pretend Harry said this so it isn't a shutout. He desperately needed a win here. Even Pete's sideburns are better.
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Nameless

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Great episode. Classic Mad Men. Nice touch with Betty not letting the kids watch the news coverage given her reaction to Oswald being shot on live TV a couple seasons back. I also liked the how differently Dawn and Peggy's Secretary responded to the assassination. Dawn was mourning; her eyes were puffy & bagged and it was clear that she wanted to do anything but think about it. Peggy's sec, on the other hand, used the sympathy she knew she would receive to come in late and eventually take the day. Unlike Dawn she wasn't really affected by it.
 
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Talon

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It's going to be terrible when Pete actually redeems himself and becomes the better man instead of trying to be Don 2.0.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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Cornballer said:
That's the new thing. Everybody's a racist.


They're just joking around about Weiner's spoiler-phobia.
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that doesn't really poke fun at weiner though, Planet of the Apes is like a zillion years old. Statute of limitations was 29048098320942 years ago on that one.

lame jokes are lame.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

Member
Betty wants the kids gone even if it means going through the uncertain dangers of the city. Betty always wanted Francis to go into politics....for him. Betty making snappy digs at Don/Megan.

She be back alright.
 
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Bladenic

Member
-Pyromaniac- said:
Betty wants the kids gone even if it means going through the uncertain dangers of the city. Betty always wanted Francis to go into politics....for him. Betty making snappy digs at Don/Megan.

She be back alright.
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Indeed, her snap at Don was everything. Bad Bitch Brunetty is here.

Although I thought she seemed sincere with Francis. She seems to really care about him.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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Bladenic said:
Indeed, her snap at Don was everything. Bad Bitch Brunetty is here.

Although I thought she seemed sincere with Francis. She seems to really care about him.
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I think she really cares about him but lets be real, Betty was made for the glamour life. She wants it for herself. That's the lifestyle she prefers to live in. Hopefully we get hot betty back for it.
 
Jackben

Jackben

bitch I'm taking calls.
Outside of his moment with Harry, Pete sure was a sad sack of shit huh? Trudy was too smart and copped onto his game during the tragedy but I felt a little sympathy when even the delivery guy didn't want to talk to him. I wonder if his taste of sad bastard bachelor life will inspire a change.

Also I have no idea what purpose that maniac guy from Lost played except as comedic relief.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

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Jackben said:
Outside of his moment with Harry, Pete sure was a sad sack of shit huh? Trudy was too smart and copped onto his game during the tragedy but I felt a little sympathy when even the delivery guy didn't want to talk to him. I wonder if his taste of sad bastard bachelor life will inspire a change.

Also I have no idea what purpose that maniac guy from Lost played except as comedic relief.
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he did drop this nugget: "This is an opportunity. The heavens are telling us to change."
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
My god this show. Just on an incredible run this season. 10pm is a little late for me because I have to get up at 5AM but I cannot turn it off. I have never felt such incredible tension on television like I felt at the awards dinner. What a twist. OMG sleeping on it made me love it more.

My step dad, who was old enough to know what was going on, refused to talk about his feelings on the subject and my mom and aunt were 5 and 3, so too young. I need real people to tell me how they responded!
 
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Hazmat

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I think that the show deserves credit for how uncomfortable it made me when it had white people apologizing and offering condolences to the black characters. At least 40+ years later, I know that the world was a worse place that day for losing MLK, but the way the white characters treated it was uncomfortable to me.
 
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ilikesanta

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Frost_Ace said:
that was not Dawn, it was Peggy's secretary :p

EDIT: looks like you need a hug man.

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Well Shiiiiiiiiit

I don't even remember Peggy even having a secretary. I wish I could blame it on my hangover when i was watching the show. Well that clears things up a bit, glad some people got a chuckle from it.
 
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movie_club

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This season has just started...

Bobby Kennedy still needs to be assasinated...and the student uprisings..

I am most interested to see how Megan and her dad will interact when Paris starts going nuts
 
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maharg

idspispopd
kirblar said:
He's a guy who happened to be in the right place at the right time, and thus vastly overrates the value he brings to his position.
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Yeah I'm sure that bringing the company into the television era will do nothing for its bottom line as it enters the 70s and 80s.

Harry's been mistreated. He's also an asshole. One of the great things about shows like Mad Men is that they accept that both these things can be true.
 
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jtb

Banned
maharg said:
Yeah I'm sure that bringing the company into the television era will do nothing for its bottom line as it enters the 70s and 80s.

Harry's been mistreated. He's also an asshole. One of the great things about shows like Mad Men is that they accept that both these things can be true.
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Everyone's an asshole at SCDP, so it's not like they should (or would) hold that against him, either.
 
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A Human Becoming

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Isn't it true MLK Jr was a controversial person in his time? I thought the reaction of the case was a misrepresentation of what people in their position would react. Not saying they should be racists, but they seem more distraught than I'd expect. Race was only barely touched upon last season and isn't even touched upon much in their work except for one case I can't recall.

Something about it just didn't sit well with me. It felt like the writer staff were giving the reaction of people today instead of in '68.
 
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sixteen-bit

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A Human Becoming said:
Isn't it true MLK Jr was a controversial person in his time? I thought the reaction of the case was a misrepresentation of what people in their position would react. Not saying they should be racists, but they seem more distraught than I'd expect. Race was only barely touched upon last season and isn't even touched upon much in their work except for one case I can't recall.

Something about it just didn't sit well with me. It felt like the writer staff were giving the reaction of people today instead of in '68.
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Maybe you're confusing MLK with Malcolm X
 
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ATF487

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Frost_Ace said:
This episode reminded me a lot of the Kennedy one, loved it to bits, the atmosphere was maybe too heavy and dark at times but the scene at the end with Bobby and Don was the sprinkle of hope the episode needed.
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That was a sprinkle of hope? It was depressing, IMO.
He goes on that sad little monologue and then his own kid is up all night thinking about the safety of his step dad. It just nails it in further that Don ruined the chance to be an important figure in his kids lives

Really enjoyed this episode though
 
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