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Gooster said:
I read that New Yorker piece, and while I can agree facets of Don Draper/Dick Whitman's past feel contrived and maybe heavy-handed, I dunno, I guess I didn't notice or cared because of how it's spread out over six seasons. Stockpile 'em like that in the article and yeah, it becomes less impactful. I don't remember how much information about Dick we had at the time Adam hung himself.

The way Nussbaum talks about how the side characters got more interesting while Don is an anchor... kind of feels like the point in the context of the sixties, no?
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The flashback stuff is easily the worst part of the show, it feels cheap, like the kind of thing a lessor show would resort too. And, given the way they've fleshed out the other characters, it seems unnecessary.
 
So after some thought, I started wondering if Ted has any creative talent whatsoever. Seems like he's overly reliant on his dying partner, and uses tricks and textbook formulas to create ideas.

Seems like Ted brings out the best in people, and propels himself forward.
 
Fatalah said:
So after some thought, I started wondering if Ted has any creative talent whatsoever. Seems like he's overly reliant on his dying partner, and uses tricks and textbook formulas to create ideas.

Seems like Ted brings out the best in people, and propels himself forward.
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He's probably not as naturally gifted as Don, but he's obviously a much harder worker and a more competent supervisor, which may make up for any disparity in pure creative talent.
 
BertramCooper said:
I think I would enjoy having Ted as a boss. He seems to be a nice mix of productivity and creativity.

Don would be an absolute fucking nightmare of a boss.
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Nah Don's tough but fair
unless youre a gay
, and he always comes in late and leaves early think of all the free time you'd have
 
BertramCooper said:
He's probably not as naturally gifted as Don, but he's obviously a much harder worker and a more competent supervisor, which may make up for any disparity in pure creative talent.
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ted is a good boss but that's about it. Don is a questionable boss but is naturally talented.

Don is kind of a trial by fire kind of boss. You're on your own and you better fucking deliver or else face the wrath. Kind of forces you to step your game up. Who knows where peggy would be if he wasn't such a dick.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Don is kind of a trial by fire kind of boss. You're on your own and you better fucking deliver or else face the wrath. Kind of forces you to step your game up. Who knows where peggy would be if he wasn't such a dick.
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Unless you're too good (Ginsberg), in which case he'll feel threatened and totally fuck you over.
 
BertramCooper said:
Unless you're too good (Ginsberg), in which case he'll feel threatened and totally fuck you over.
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that's true but Ginsberg seems to have settled in. Initial threat phase seems to be over lol. Then again Don is actually working a lot now. Back when he felt threatened by Ginsberg he wasn't working much right? Can't remember.
 
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BertramCooper said:
I think I would enjoy having Ted as a boss. He seems to be a nice mix of productivity and creativity.

Don would be an absolute fucking nightmare of a boss.
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Don is basically the absolute nightmare in every way, unless you're a chick who is into really big dicks and nothing else

'cause then dude is packing

anyway, spectacular last two episodes. Feels like we're back to crowning heights again after Season 5's all-over-the-place quality.
 
We’ve been thinking that part of the reason this season has been so plodding and felt like wheel-spinning is because there’s been no sense in the story of things being written toward an ending.
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This, OTOH, from Tom and Lorenzo doesn't seem like it could be more wrong.

Yes, there's a lot of "we've seen this before" going on this season, but unlike early seasons, there's no redepmption coming. Summer Man was his chance, and he's pissed it away over time for petty reasons. There was no despair or inevitability the first time. Now there absolutely is. Don is going to crater hard, and the repetition of his past sins is prologue to much worse behavior. You heard it hear first.

What it looks like I don't know, but it will be shocking.
 
Rampant speculations:

Betty will blow Don's cover when Henry runs for office.

Pete will (in a hysterical fit over imagining himself being pushed out of SCDPCGC) blow Don's cover the same way he attempted to blow up his father-in-law's life when he was cornered.

Megan will cheat on Don (or already is) and he will find out and go berserk.

Don will self-destruct when he feels he is being pushed out (imagined or not)

Possibly after being *actually* ejected from SCDPCGC (possibly from Betty or Pete blowing his cover)

Don will become so unimportant to the SCDPCGC brand that he does another move like leaving Ginsberg's work in a cab, only will get caught and hounded by others
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Rampant speculations:

Betty will blow Don's cover when Henry runs for office.

Pete will (in a hysterical fit over imagining himself being pushed out of SCDPCGC) blow Don's cover the same way he attempted to blow up his father-in-law's life when he was cornered.

Megan will cheat on Don (or already is) and he will find out and go berserk.
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Check mark those three for my list as well, I've had the same thought about Megan since the premiere.

The Betty and Pete ones are the strongest possibilities in my mind.
 
Jackben said:
Check mark those three for my list as well, I've had the same thought about Megan since the premiere.

The Betty and Pete ones are the strongest possibilities in my mind.
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Pete I could see (even though he's tried to already and was dismissed by Cooper)

I don't know what Betty stands to gain from blowing Don's cover though
 
I think people expecting a big payoff related to Don's real identity might end up disappointed.

I look at it more as a component of his character development rather than a bombshell that will inevitably blow up in his face.
 
BertramCooper said:
I think people expecting a big payoff related to Don's real identity might end up disappointed.

I look at it more as a component of his character development rather than a bombshell that will inevitably blow up in his face.
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Agreed. No one will care. We've made huge leaps into his past this year and the core of who he really is. I assume it'll be more along the lines of whether or not his destructive and empty relationships can ever change or will he lose everything.
 
BertramCooper said:
I think people expecting a big payoff related to Don's real identity might end up disappointed.

I look at it more as a component of his character development rather than a bombshell that will inevitably blow up in his face.
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Agreed. It's not his name or even identity that matters (and why should it even affect Mr. Francis' aspirations? He's not married to Don). It's his emptiness, for lack of a better word, that will eventually kill him.
 
DrBo42 said:
Blow what cover? His real name? Didn't Bertram already quell that with his harrisonfordwhogivesashit.gif?
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BertramCooper said:
I think people expecting a big payoff related to Don's real identity might end up disappointed.

I look at it more as a component of his character development rather than a bombshell that will inevitably blow up in his face.
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Bert doesn't give a shit, but it cost them potential DoD contracts. And it could very well become a big deal if made public. in 1968-1970, draft dodging was a big deal. It would be nasty PR for the firm.

I am expecting more from Don's ID. Not as payoff, but as catalyst. I think one of the themes of the whole series is that you cannoy escape your past-- and even if you think you have, you haven't.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Bert doesn't give a shit, but it cost them potential DoD contracts. And it could very well become a big deal if made public. in 1968-1970, draft dodging was a big deal. It would be nasty PR for the firm.

I am expecting more from Don's ID. Not as payoff, but as catalyst. I think one of the themes of the whole series is that you cannoy escape your past-- and even if you think you have, you haven't.
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I would argue it's already paid off, Don knows he can't escape it and it drives him to do so much of what he does. It's why he's such a control freak.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Bert doesn't give a shit, but it cost them potential DoD contracts. And it could very well become a big deal if made public. in 1968-1970, draft dodging was a big deal. It would be nasty PR for the firm.

I am expecting more from Don's ID. Not as payoff, but as catalyst. I think one of the themes of the whole series is that you cannoy escape your past-- and even if you think you have, you haven't.
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I don't think anyone's arguing that he can escape his past or disagreeing with you on that front. I think what people are saying is that it won't be his identity that acts as catalyst for the payoff of his past, but him as a person. I think that's much more satisfying anyways.
 
I've already said my bit on the Don-Korea storyline before the season began, but I think that storyline is done. Weiner and co. seem to be perfectly content to leave various plots and characters alone when they have run their course and that has definitely run its course. Even more so now that Anna is dead.
 
Hey, as we are less than a season and a half from the end, it'd be fun to hear other people's predictions as well.

Is that worth a new thread, or just do it here?
 
It wouldn't be mad men or a good show if the plot played out exactly how we predict it to, so I'm happy to eat crow and enjoy it when speculation doesn't pan out.
 
Jackben said:
It wouldn't be mad men or a good show if the plot played out exactly how we predict it to, so I'm happy to eat crow and enjoy it when speculation doesn't pan out.
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Likewise. In fact, if I'm right about half that stuff, I'll be disappointed. I assume they will come up with something better.

jtb said:
I vote keep it in here, though I never really understood the point of speculating on a TV show.
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It's fun?

BertramCooper said:
My original prediction was that the show would end with the death of the agency.

But I don't see that happening now.
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Me either. I think Don may be dead or ousted, but the agency will go on without him.
 
Predictions are fun though as every story has foreshadowing and there is arguably a lot of interesting stuff to pick up from Mad Men both within and outside the show (namely Weiner interviews).

Let's keep it here though as opposed to splitting discussion. Most posts in OT would boil down to "I couldn't get into this", "BB is better", "this show is sexist".
 
Pete is a goddamn mess.

Cut to plane followed by teddealwithit.gif got me laughing out loud. I liked how Don was all master swag in the episode but then things turned around on him.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Hey, as we are less than a season and a half from the end, it'd be fun to hear other people's predictions as well.

Is that worth a new thread, or just do it here?
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My prediction?


The final scene of the show is going to take place in 1976. His wife (Megan) divorced him the episode before, leaving his apartment empty and his wallet emptier. Earlier in this episode, Pete walked into his office and told him to pack his things. Peggy will be the new creative lead. Now dejected, old, tired Don leaves work for the last time and decides to go check out the new "discotheque" for a drink. He walks in, and the camera shows a look of sheer horror on his face. His cigarette falls out of his mouth. The song "More, More More" by the Andrea True Connection is playing. As the camera slowly pans around to the stage, the music gets louder and louder. With the stage finally in view, we see a beautiful, smutty looking 22 year old Sally Draper dancing on a stripper pole. She mouths the words "how do you like me, how do you like me" to the crowd. Credits roll.
 
Wool said:
My prediction?


The final scene of the show is going to take place in 1976. His wife (Megan) divorced him the episode before, leaving his apartment empty and his wallet emptier. Earlier in this episode, Pete walked into his office and told him to pack his things. Peggy will be the new creative lead. Now dejected, old, tired Don leaves work for the last time and decides to go check out the new "discotheque" for a drink. He walks in, and the camera shows a look of sheer horror on his face. His cigarette falls out of his mouth. The song "More, More More" by the Andrea True Connection is playing. As the camera slowly pans around to the stage, the music gets louder and louder. With the stage finally in view, we see a beautiful, smutty looking 22 year old Sally Draper dancing on a stripper pole. She mouths the words "how do you like me, how do you like me" to the crowd. Credits roll.
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Mark Wahlberg bursts onto the scene.
 
Wool said:
My prediction?


The final scene of the show is going to take place in 1976. His wife (Megan) divorced him the episode before, leaving his apartment empty and his wallet emptier. Earlier in this episode, Pete walked into his office and told him to pack his things. Peggy will be the new creative lead. Now dejected, old, tired Don leaves work for the last time and decides to go check out the new "discotheque" for a drink. He walks in, and the camera shows a look of sheer horror on his face. His cigarette falls out of his mouth. The song More, More More by the Andrea True Connection is playing. As the camera slowly pans around to the stage, the music gets louder and louder. With the stage finally in view, we see a beautiful, smutty looking 22 year old Sally Draper dancing on a stripper pole. She mouths the words "how do you like me, how do you like me" to the crowd. Credits roll.
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And Harry is the owner of the club.
 
Wool said:
My prediction?


The final scene of the show is going to take place in 1976. His wife (Megan) divorced him the episode before, leaving his apartment empty and his wallet emptier. Earlier in this episode, Pete walked into his office and told him to pack his things. Peggy will be the new creative lead. Now dejected, old, tired Don leaves work for the last time and decides to go check out the new "discotheque" for a drink. He walks in, and the camera shows a look of sheer horror on his face. His cigarette falls out of his mouth. The song "More, More More" by the Andrea True Connection is playing. As the camera slowly pans around to the stage, the music gets louder and louder. With the stage finally in view, we see a beautiful, smutty looking 22 year old Sally Draper dancing on a stripper pole. She mouths the words "how do you like me, how do you like me" to the crowd. Credits roll.
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You had one job, Don... ONE JOB.
 
Not sure how it'll end. They may go the Six Feet Under route.

I'm fairly confident that Sally will go to Woodstock during next season and have a Robin Wright like life thereafter.
 
As always, I disagree with the majority of opinions in this thread.

This week its about the dynamic between Ted and Don. I've read some people in this thread that there is or will be a power struggle between them.

I don't see that happening at all. I think their business relationship will make each other both better.
 
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