Angelus Errare
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19 year olds are kids now? Okay.
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Mad Men star Jon Hamm was charged with hazing in college days (1990)
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He's still technically a teenager. You really think a 19 year old is a adult in any way other then legally?
Abinash117
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/07/frats-shut-down-hazing_n_7001492.html
If these keeps happening I wonder how long frats will remain a big thing.
What he did was wrong and it seems he was charged, so I think he should get punished even if it happened years ago( mostly because he got charged the law isn't just going to drop it because it happened awhile ago) .
If these keeps happening I wonder how long frats will remain a big thing.
What he did was wrong and it seems he was charged, so I think he should get punished even if it happened years ago( mostly because he got charged the law isn't just going to drop it because it happened awhile ago) .
I don't know him so I really don't know if he is an asshole or not. Was he an asshole at 19? Sure sounds like it. Is he 19 now? No.
people being dumb teenagers =/= abusing other human beings
and can people stop equating 19 year olds to children? Jesus Christ
Few 19 year olds are adults mentally. That's 1 year out of high school. Most are still busy being kids or learning how to be an adult.
It's such a ridiculous stance to take given all the life changing experiences and revelations that are yet to come with folks that young.
WrenchNinja
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I like how somehow setting someone on fire, shoving their face in the dirt and then beating them with a paddle should be brushed away because hey, it was apparently just kids being kids and it was years ago
He's probably the first person to haze someone as a teenager and come out the other end normal 25 years later. We should commend him for breaking the cycle.
no one is saying that entering adulthood is somehow a magical entrance into maturity, it's not. but at 19, we are all capable of recognizing our decisions and behaviour as right or wrong and to not commit what is described in the article.
what they did is abhorrent cruelty but hey: THEY WERE KIDZ
Sounds like he was a scumbag and grew up. Or at least knows how to hide it. No one is saying its okay that he did it, but that he's 45 now and has very likely matured. I would think we would know if he was setting people on fire still.
WrenchNinja
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I think most 19 year olds realise that setting people on fire and beating them up is probably not cool
EdibleKnife
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Seriously. I don't doubt Hamm has grown to regret that time in his life but those actions were a little too sadistic to just be childish games.
Sure, but we can also recognize that people change over a 25 year period. I mean maybe he is still a total asshole, but I am not going to assume he is because of something that happened 25 years ago.
EndlessSky
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Lol, it's interesting how in threads like these 19 year olds are seen as kids by the majority (though not a super majority), but in threads that have a teacher having sex with a student, a 17 year old is seen as an adult by the majority.
Fotheringay
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Hazing is such a pathetic mob activity. I was subjected to it in high school and college via sports, and the absolute shock when someone reacts against is worth the temporary disdain.
Except it wasn't brushed away; he was charged and received probation, and his fraternity was disbanded back when it happened. He didn't get away with it, he was made an example of.
What he did was brutal, absolutely, and no one is saying he wasn't a dick back then. People change, especially in a span of 25 years.
Rex Griswold
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Not defending what he did over two decades ago, but even six years ago when I was twenty, I was kind of a dipshit*. Maybe not setting people's pants on fire, but I'm willing to say I'm a much better and more well rounded person now than I was then.
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-holds up a mirror- And so were you, and a vast majority of people. We all grow up.
kittenbreath
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Well, this is distressing. But what can we say? We ignored all of Michael Buble's warnings.
His eyes went black and he slapped my face!
His eyes went black and he slapped my face!
It's hard to judge someone truly about an incident that occurred 25 years ago. With something like Mark Wahlberg, he doesn't seem to feel much remorse, so yeah, he's a dick.
That's not to say what he did wasn't terrible. But people can change over 25 years, and being a dick at 19 does not (necessarily) mean you are a dick at 44.
That's not to say what he did wasn't terrible. But people can change over 25 years, and being a dick at 19 does not (necessarily) mean you are a dick at 44.
It's so queer how we put celebrities on such high pedestals that we're disappointed when they turn out to be people with character flaws, even severe ones.
They play fictional characters that we either like or are attracted to in the most superficial way possible. They're not our friends or family, and yet we judge them harshly when they screw up or have screwed up in the past - and they're barely real to us.
Such a strange phenomenon.
They play fictional characters that we either like or are attracted to in the most superficial way possible. They're not our friends or family, and yet we judge them harshly when they screw up or have screwed up in the past - and they're barely real to us.
Such a strange phenomenon.
JoeyJungle
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It's unacceptable he did this. I think something that might explain why he did it is in the WTF podcast he did a couple years ago, he talked about losing both of his parents in his teens iirc. I can understand why he might act out after that. Doesn't at all justify putting someone in the hospital, but I think it adds context to why it might have happened.
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Okay, so this may have been shortly after his father passed.
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Okay, so this may have been shortly after his father passed.
ZackieChan
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What's your endgame here? No one is saying that it wasn't a totally shitty thing to do or that he wasn't an asshole for doing it.
my...endgame?
what
I'm making fun of anyone excusing the actions of a 19 year old in a way that's comparable to doing so for a 9 year old
WrenchNinja
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I'm talking about people in this thread trying to brush it away with lame excuses.
Some people change. Some people are good actors.
Coffee Dog
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I mean, the shit he did though is a bit more than just being a dick. I think everyone should know not to do shit like that at 19.
shadowsdarknes
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Your outrage has been noted.
People should know, but they don't. And people can change. That doesn't absolve him of guilt if this is how it went down, but it also doesn't mean he's the same person at 44. Maybe he is! Or maybe he isn't!
megamerican
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I know it's a long time ago but it does make me think less of him. Kinda sad that this will be in the back of my mind when I'm watching the final season. I hope the kid rebounded, that kind of event could fuck you up for life.
lol, uh huh...
There's plenty of things like... you know. Things.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Always sucks hearing dirt on people you admire. I don't watch Mad Men but have heard him on many a podcast appearance, guy seems like a genuinely nice person, reading this certainly sullies that a bit. I think people deserve forgiveness and redemption though, but it is hard to know where to draw the line sometimes with things like this that happened so long ago. Like I know what a terrible sociopathic person Woody Allen likely is due to the abuse allegations, but of course I knew none of that before I'd delved into his full catalog and made tons of positive memories from watching his work. Separating the artist from the work is a challenge :/
Not all of them are party types that most people think they are. My ex was is Psi Chi when she was in school., It's a honor society for psychology.
http://www.psichi.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_Chi
Edit: Looks like Jon Stewart was a member, and Dr Phil lol.
Hmmmm
So he did it, then got punished for it.
And from everything I have seen of him and heard about him in the past decade, he is a super humble guy and hard worker.can't comment on whether its an act and he is still a diabolical asshole.
What he did was extremely shitty, but he was caught and punished. I mean, not sure what else people want. It has been over two decades. Who knows...maybe he regrets it everyday, maybe he doesn't. I can't say.
One thing I can say though, is how people act like bastions of morality and ethics when something like this comes up. As if they have done nothing wrong in their life.
Celebrity dedense force is shitty indeed, and I won't deny that I am a huge john hamm fan, but until I find out that he is still a jerk and hasn't changed, and that kid has been scarred to this day due to what he did, I won't hold this against him.
He was caught and punished. Seems like a non story. I will promise to eat crow if more racta come out and we fins out he is Satan incarnate.
So he did it, then got punished for it.
And from everything I have seen of him and heard about him in the past decade, he is a super humble guy and hard worker.can't comment on whether its an act and he is still a diabolical asshole.
What he did was extremely shitty, but he was caught and punished. I mean, not sure what else people want. It has been over two decades. Who knows...maybe he regrets it everyday, maybe he doesn't. I can't say.
One thing I can say though, is how people act like bastions of morality and ethics when something like this comes up. As if they have done nothing wrong in their life.
Celebrity dedense force is shitty indeed, and I won't deny that I am a huge john hamm fan, but until I find out that he is still a jerk and hasn't changed, and that kid has been scarred to this day due to what he did, I won't hold this against him.
He was caught and punished. Seems like a non story. I will promise to eat crow if more racta come out and we fins out he is Satan incarnate.
QuantumDerp
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It look like Jon Hamm was hamming it up.
PeskyToaster
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25 years ago is a long time. He got charged, punished, and probably doesn't do it anymore. Rehabilitation successful.
For the large picture: When I see comments like a few in this thread it makes me wonder if most people are really for rehabilitation vs. punishment if they'll still hold something someone did over their head for years and years.
For the large picture: When I see comments like a few in this thread it makes me wonder if most people are really for rehabilitation vs. punishment if they'll still hold something someone did over their head for years and years.
DangerStepp
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Who hasn't done something shitty when they were twenty?
anaron
Should have kept him unemployed for 50 years, that'll learn him.
PeskyToaster
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You red flag a person trying to get better then you want to punish someone for the rest of their life after they were already punished for it?
Now that's fucked up.
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