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FrenchMovieTheme
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you are definitely in if you really want to play bog. when i made the schedule i had your name and mallys names as team A and B, but i wasn't sure if either one of you really wanted to play. if you both want to play that would be fine as well. we can put any number of teams we want (from 4-32), so we can have 17 teams. so if you truly want you, welcome to the league! 
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
lol ram, i own you and you know it
superbowl champ! hitstick! never forget!
superbowl champ! hitstick! never forget!
Man I'm thinkin we either ban some of the more outrageous teams,or I'm out.The Eagles are so outrageously overrated on defense on this game it's insane.All 4 defensive linemen were on me every snap and I couldn't even get away from them with Vick,imagine if I had some slow fuck.
A few points before you all jump to conclusions...
-This isn't Gun's fault,I know he can't help that his team is so Jesus like.
-I could have sent the game to OT,didn't even have to hike the ball,but I did because I really didn't give a damn,anything I had on offense that game was pure luck,because for 95% of the game I was running backwards away from the line of the century.
It's just lame,I've always had this complaint when I played him,the last game I blew him out because he fumbled on like every posession so that was a fluke so to speak.So teams like Eagles/Pats/Falcons put'em to sleep as Matrix put it.
A few points before you all jump to conclusions...
-This isn't Gun's fault,I know he can't help that his team is so Jesus like.
-I could have sent the game to OT,didn't even have to hike the ball,but I did because I really didn't give a damn,anything I had on offense that game was pure luck,because for 95% of the game I was running backwards away from the line of the century.
It's just lame,I've always had this complaint when I played him,the last game I blew him out because he fumbled on like every posession so that was a fluke so to speak.So teams like Eagles/Pats/Falcons put'em to sleep as Matrix put it.
Ramirez said:
I am ok with that but keep in mind, there are some other teams with great D-Lines, so by getting rid of those 3 teams might not make as big as of a difference that you may have though. I did notice one of your problems though, you like to back pedal like 10 yards when you are passing which messes up your block scheme, which is why my D-Line was all over you. Just ask DM and FMT, they have both beaten me when I use the Eagles and FMT has done with the 49ers.
DJ Demon J
Banned
Ramirez said:
I, probably the worst player in the league, have beaten Gunstar twice with the Redskins, holding him to less than 14 points twice. I think that's enough proof that the Eagles D isn't "outrageously overrated."
What does holding him to 14 points have anything to do with his D? :lol I held him to like 5 for like 3 qtrs,and I had it wrapped up until T.O. pulled out the ESPN type gameplay and broke 4 tackles
And yea I know there are more teams with good d-lines,but none of them seem as ferocious as the Eagles.
I dunno,I know Im probably in the minority,I'd like to try a season with average teams,oh well.
And yea I know there are more teams with good d-lines,but none of them seem as ferocious as the Eagles.
I dunno,I know Im probably in the minority,I'd like to try a season with average teams,oh well.
DJ Demon J
Banned
Ramirez said:What does holding him to 14 points have anything to do with his D? :lol I held him to like 5 for like 3 qtrs,and I had it wrapped up until T.O. pulled out the ESPN type gameplay and broke 4 tackles
And yea I know there are more teams with good d-lines,but none of them seem as ferocious as the Eagles.
I dunno,I know Im probably in the minority,I'd like to try a season with average teams,oh well.
You're right, holding him to 14 or less (which I did yet again tonight) doesn't have anything to with his D, but let's take a look at tonight's game between Gunstar and myself and you can judge for yourself if the Eagles D is as ferocious as you say.
Full game stats:
EA SPORTS Gamer,
Here are the official results of your Madden NFL 2005 game on 2005.1.2 3:36:14.
Mode: Ranked
Qtr Length: 4 minutes
Difficulty: All-Pro
Opponent: Gunstar77
Rank: 18376
Score breakdown:
1 2 3 4 OT F
DJ Demon J (Redskins) 0 0 0 24 0 24
Gunstar77 (Eagles) 0 3 0 7 0 10
Statistics DJ Demon J Gunstar77
Rushing attempts for 21 9
Rushing yards for 142 35
Passing attempts for 25 34
Passing yards for 153 235
Punts 3 2
Field goals for 1 1
Long field goals (40+) for 1 1
Rushing touchdowns for 3 0
Passing touchdowns for 0 1
Returns touchdowns for 0 0
Defensive touchdowns for 0 0
Turnovers for 3 0
Interceptions for 2 0
Sacks for 1 1
Number of third downs 10 9
Third down conversions 4 4
No-huddle plays 3 0
Audibles called 4 1
Hot routes used 3 4
Shotgun plays 3 0
Blitzes 20 26
Time of possession 9:03 6:57
2-point conversions tried 0 0
2-point conversions succeeded 0 0
Red zone field goals 0 0
Red zone touchdowns 1 0
Red zone opportunities 1 4
First downs 11 13
First down yards 138 211
Special teams yards 44 61
Punt return yards 13 0
Punt yards 149 94
Penalties 1 0
Penalty yards 10 0
First down rushing plays 10 5
First down passing plays 10 16
Second down rushing plays 6 2
Second down passing plays 9 11
Third down rushing plays 4 2
Third down passing plays 6 7
Fourth down rushing plays 1 0
Fourth down passing plays 1 1
Passes completed 10 18
Fumbles 0 1
Fumbles recovered 1 0
Possessions 15 13
Third downs, 3 or less yards 4 5
Successes 2 4
Third downs, 4 to 9 yards 2 3
Successes 1 0
Third downs, 10 or more yards 4 1
Successes 1 0
Hurries 7 8
Knockdowns 3 3
Passes deflected 11 5
Passes tipped 0 0
Offensive yards 295 270
Total yards 339 331
Return yards 31 61
Total touchdowns 3 1
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Since we are discussing rules, I know that manually blitzing a LB or CB is out, but my question is, that the reason for that was because the LB and CB has outrageous speed and the AI blocking cannot keep up with it. Well, my question is doesn't making a tackle with a LB or CB on a running play give the player the same advantage that you are trying to prevent with the no-manual blitzing rule? A speedy LB, being manually controlled will still by-pass any run-blocking as well, right? Actually, a player can see where the hole is developing and turbo to meet the runner at the LOS or behind the LOS.
I don't have an answer, I am just asking what is the difference between manually blitzing the pass versus manually blitzing the run and why is one legal and the other one not.
I don't have an answer, I am just asking what is the difference between manually blitzing the pass versus manually blitzing the run and why is one legal and the other one not.
DJ Demon J
Banned
Ramirez said:*shrug*
I blew him out before,stuff happens,but the majority of the time they are outrageous,pretty much anyone here will agree.
Wow I just noticed you didn't score your points until the 4th,so that D was pretty good,he prolly had a brainfart in the 4th
He held me scoreless for 3 Qs, but that was more due to my errors on offense more than his D. Gunstar's D is very blitz heavy, and I should have abused it with more slants and crosses. Instead, I opted for play actions and post corners
(which worked some of the time, but mostly were shut down). In the 4th I tried running the ball more which led to a Portis TD which started the momentum.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Well, you ran 21 timed for that many yards so he couldn't do a straight pass rush.
I'm fine with banning these super teams, but I don't think that their D-Lines are all that great. Talk to me about the Seahawk's (With Wistrom and whoever the heck is the LE) or the Panther's lines (with Rucker and Peppers). The Eagles come close with Douglas and Kearse, but it's tougher if you blitz and LB....
I don't think we should ban teams just on the basis of their D-Lines, because honestly, I have used and am using a team with a shitty o-line and I make shit work. Yeah so what I've been hurried a lot more than most in this league, but my passing yardage is still in the top five. Here's what you do: Keep everyone in to block except one or two receivers that are out there running their routes.
I dunno, my mentality is that there are things that you can do to combat a strong D-line rush. Now, what about the post play...? It's clear and we all agree that it is money. And this season (2) I can trust everyone playing, but I dunno about next season's players.
I'm fine with banning these super teams, but I don't think that their D-Lines are all that great. Talk to me about the Seahawk's (With Wistrom and whoever the heck is the LE) or the Panther's lines (with Rucker and Peppers). The Eagles come close with Douglas and Kearse, but it's tougher if you blitz and LB....
I don't think we should ban teams just on the basis of their D-Lines, because honestly, I have used and am using a team with a shitty o-line and I make shit work. Yeah so what I've been hurried a lot more than most in this league, but my passing yardage is still in the top five. Here's what you do: Keep everyone in to block except one or two receivers that are out there running their routes.
I dunno, my mentality is that there are things that you can do to combat a strong D-line rush. Now, what about the post play...? It's clear and we all agree that it is money. And this season (2) I can trust everyone playing, but I dunno about next season's players.
Falcons D is just as ridiculous. I don't know if we should have limitations placed on teams or not. No Pats are Eagles perhaps (And Falcons I would say) but I think the rest of the teams are fair game. Oh well what are you gonna do though when someone wants to use their team and it is one of the ones listed above?
DJ Demon J
Banned
Mrbob said:
Man up and whoop them.
I said no Falcons,more for Vick than anything,their D is very suspect sometimes,you just pass to much :lol
If it's one of their teams?Tough shit I guess I don't understand why anyone would be against the idea of using lesser teams for one season,that would still leave like 27 or so teams to choose from,it's not that many that are outrageous to begin with.
Perhaps you just have Gun's number DJ,because going off our games I don't see how you could beat him
If it's one of their teams?Tough shit I guess
I don't understand why anyone would be against the idea of using lesser teams for one season,that would still leave like 27 or so teams to choose from,it's not that many that are outrageous to begin with.Perhaps you just have Gun's number DJ,because going off our games I don't see how you could beat him
dskillzhtown said:
Well, a sack is more costly than a tackle, and if you've played the LB chase and tackle drill, you'll know that it's not easy to hit the hole every time, unlike a manual CB blitz to the outside, where there is literally no one blocking you.
I think the tackles are something we have to live with. Like on kickoff/punt returns...the AI hardly ever makes their blocks, and the punting/kicking team is able to zig zag around the blocker and force a fair catch or a hit before the 20 yard line in the case of kickoffs. I do it, everyone I face does it. It's not realistic, but we're not just going to go in a straight line there, and it's still possible to break them, so I've never thought to ban it.
With all that said........I will be playing the role of cornerback in the upcoming season.
I was wondering....what camera angle does everyone use? When I'm guarding a guy in Madden Long (the most basic long view) I can see the width and length of the field alright, but my sense of height is totally out of whack. I won't know if the ball is 5 feet of 2 feet above me sometimes. Small problem, since it's a huge upgrade from the default angle on both o and d, but still a problem. So, what do you guys use? Anyone dare to leave the default?
DJ Demon J
Banned
Fifty said:
I dare.
It's a problem for quick passes to the left and right sides of the field, but that's why I try to make the right defensive playcalling so the CPU will do most of the work for me. I always control a lineman at the snap, either Griffin or Wynn, and sometimes Sal'a'vea (sp?). My focus is the pass rush, or if there's a run, switching to Arrington/Washington/Pierce/Smoot/Taylor/Springs to stop the run.Guys, I understand that it's irritating as hell when you get cheesed, but I think trying to put a bunch of rules in place to police it is going too far. There are exploits in the game. Tons of 'em. But you can't police them all. And if you try to start banning routes, teams, formations, etc., before you know it we'll all be playing as the Arizona Cardinals in Coach Mode.
The only thing that's going to stop cheese is the guy behind the controller having enough respect to not do it to his opponent. And if your opponent cheeses you, then cheese him back. We all know what the cheese plays are. How about we each agree to grow a pair of balls and not run a money play every time you need a first down? Let's not spend the whole game running a blitz package out of the Quarter D that consistently blows up a power running game from a Goal Line formation. Let's not cheese Vick or toss jump balls to Moss all game. Seriously, we all know each other here, the experience of a GAF league should be better than that of just some random public league. If we can't expect to have a (mostly) cheese free experience when we're playing each other, then I'm not sure I want to be in this league.
The only thing that's going to stop cheese is the guy behind the controller having enough respect to not do it to his opponent. And if your opponent cheeses you, then cheese him back. We all know what the cheese plays are. How about we each agree to grow a pair of balls and not run a money play every time you need a first down? Let's not spend the whole game running a blitz package out of the Quarter D that consistently blows up a power running game from a Goal Line formation. Let's not cheese Vick or toss jump balls to Moss all game. Seriously, we all know each other here, the experience of a GAF league should be better than that of just some random public league. If we can't expect to have a (mostly) cheese free experience when we're playing each other, then I'm not sure I want to be in this league.
DJ Demon J
Banned
Shit, someone needs to tell me what these money plays are, cause my offense could use a kick in the ass.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
truelize! when do you want to play our season 2 game?
and on the topic of cheese teams, i dont think any team should be banned besides the falcons. this isn't a defensive line issue every game. your team just had an off-game ram. picking lesser teams isn't going to fix anything, because their offensive lines are worse and there will still be a lot of pressure and sacks. it seems somewhat random how well the lines will play. some games i get pressure without any blitzing at all and a 3-man line, other games i have to blitz 2 or 3 people just to stop the other team from tearing me up in passing. i dont want to ban any teams besides the falcons. madden isn't unlike the real nfl: any team can compete with any other team. trust me guys, ratings do play a role, but the most important role is the guy with the controller in his hand, not whether his DE or WR or whatever is rated a 99
and on the topic of cheese teams, i dont think any team should be banned besides the falcons. this isn't a defensive line issue every game. your team just had an off-game ram. picking lesser teams isn't going to fix anything, because their offensive lines are worse and there will still be a lot of pressure and sacks. it seems somewhat random how well the lines will play. some games i get pressure without any blitzing at all and a 3-man line, other games i have to blitz 2 or 3 people just to stop the other team from tearing me up in passing. i dont want to ban any teams besides the falcons. madden isn't unlike the real nfl: any team can compete with any other team. trust me guys, ratings do play a role, but the most important role is the guy with the controller in his hand, not whether his DE or WR or whatever is rated a 99
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Fifty: I use classic camera angle as you probably already know. It's the most effective for me when it comes to being able to see blockers ahead of me and tacklers on the peripheral.
Ram: I dunno man, if the Giants were ever like a super team in any Madden, I'd want to use them regardless of their rating. I mean I feel bad for Gunstar because he really had been using the Iggles for years, it's not something new for him.
Slo: Yeah, I'll play with respect alright, but, hell let me just name the name, I don't think Bog will. I played him in season 1 of ESPN NFL 2K5 and there was a play in which my receiver appeared to have caught the ball and then dropped it in what was clearly an incomplete pass, but the game called it a fumble. After he recovered it, he quickly paused it and went to challenge I think for a ball spotting error in an attempt to cancel out any challenge I could have made. Luckily I was still able to challenge that it was an incompletion and not a fumble, but it just showed how unscrupulous he can be, and it just shows the lengths he will go to for the win. Competition is cool, fierce competition is even better, but c'mon, that would have been outright dirty.
Contrast this with an exhibition game I had with Fifty earlier in the day. We are still trying out teams for potential use in Season 3, he was the Bengals, I was the Browns. He was down by a couple of scores and he was dropping back to pass with my player chasing him. He say he had Houshmanzadeh open, but it was in the infamous post route. He opted not to throw the ball and instead took the sack, even though I had told him he could go ahead and throw it since it was a meaningless exhibition game. That I definitely respect.
FMT: Why even ban the Falcons? 'Cause of Vick? I bet you $10 I can run as effectively with Daunte, McNabb, or Aaron Brooks as I can with Vick. Heck Even moreso as those other three QBs have top teir WRs making them even more dangerous. Daunte has Moss, Wiggins, Robinson, and Burleson, McNabb has TO and Westbrook, Brooks has Horn, McAllister, and Stallworth. I personally fear the Vikings offense moreso than any team in this game.
PS: My early decision for my team is either the Saints or the Dolphins. Don't quote me on that though!
Ram: I dunno man, if the Giants were ever like a super team in any Madden, I'd want to use them regardless of their rating. I mean I feel bad for Gunstar because he really had been using the Iggles for years, it's not something new for him.
Slo: Yeah, I'll play with respect alright, but, hell let me just name the name, I don't think Bog will. I played him in season 1 of ESPN NFL 2K5 and there was a play in which my receiver appeared to have caught the ball and then dropped it in what was clearly an incomplete pass, but the game called it a fumble. After he recovered it, he quickly paused it and went to challenge I think for a ball spotting error in an attempt to cancel out any challenge I could have made. Luckily I was still able to challenge that it was an incompletion and not a fumble, but it just showed how unscrupulous he can be, and it just shows the lengths he will go to for the win. Competition is cool, fierce competition is even better, but c'mon, that would have been outright dirty.
Contrast this with an exhibition game I had with Fifty earlier in the day. We are still trying out teams for potential use in Season 3, he was the Bengals, I was the Browns. He was down by a couple of scores and he was dropping back to pass with my player chasing him. He say he had Houshmanzadeh open, but it was in the infamous post route. He opted not to throw the ball and instead took the sack, even though I had told him he could go ahead and throw it since it was a meaningless exhibition game. That I definitely respect.
FMT: Why even ban the Falcons? 'Cause of Vick? I bet you $10 I can run as effectively with Daunte, McNabb, or Aaron Brooks as I can with Vick. Heck Even moreso as those other three QBs have top teir WRs making them even more dangerous. Daunte has Moss, Wiggins, Robinson, and Burleson, McNabb has TO and Westbrook, Brooks has Horn, McAllister, and Stallworth. I personally fear the Vikings offense moreso than any team in this game.
PS: My early decision for my team is either the Saints or the Dolphins. Don't quote me on that though!
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
ck, i ban the falcons because they are complete cheese. i understand there are dangerous offenses in this game, it's not about that. it's not about beating the falcons, cause i have done it and im going to do it again in the playoffs. the problem, and you will see if you play ram, is that you normally have to play the perfect game to beat the falcons. the reason being is that you can probably score with vick whenever you want. you have nearly unlimited time in the pocket, unless the defense blitzes 2 guys. yeah, every once in a while you will get a game like ram had against gunstar, but it doesn't happen often. the vikings are a bitch team too, but i think most people can play a decent game against them and stay in it
DJ Demon J
Banned
Both Culpeper and Vick have made the left side of the backfield their personal playground against me...just before they make big runs up the left side. But they're both mobile QBs, so I don't see a problem with someone using their talents to their advantage. I look forward to playing Ramirez again with my new and improved Redskins--I disagree that the Falcons alone are giving Ramirez the win, and hopefully by beating him I'll prove that they're not overpowered.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
ramirez is a top player, he isn't winning because of the falcons. but in the hands of a top player, a team like the falcons is even more deadly. they aren't some unstoppable juggernaut, but the fact that vick gets 5+ seconds in the pocket whenever he feels like it makes the strategy in calling defenses a little less fun. just my thought though. if someone really wants the falcons and no one has a problem with it then i'm cool with it too
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
p.s. malley and bog, confirm whether you are for sure going to play in the league for season 3. keep in mind that we play on a 3 day time limit, so you have to have your games in by 3 days or the computer will make the game a Tie for both parties. dont let your opponent down by causing a tie (even though the commish can overturn that and assign a win , but still)
, but still)dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Well, the question I posted was not in response to the game with DM. It was a question about the rules and I got clarification. It has been a question a Madden league here is dealing with and I wanted some input from you all to give back to them.
Well, I have now played over 120 games of Madden online, and I will say that there is definitely cheese in the game that is really hard to stop. (Punt block glitch being the most ridiculous bullshit ever).
However, I play mostly quick match games so I am almost always playing the Falcons, Eagles, and Vikings. I'm almost always the Steelers or Chargers. You honestly can stop almost anything if their offense is one dimensional. These post routes are absolutely 100% stoppable. Whether you do it with pressure on the QB or manually with a linebacker, it is stoppable.
Yes, you have to play a near perfect game against some of these teams. However, I beat a guy ranked #128 who used VIck with the Chargers before any of these roster updates that made them a good team.
I am really against banning teams, plays and routes. Here's a tip: play some manual defense.
However, I play mostly quick match games so I am almost always playing the Falcons, Eagles, and Vikings. I'm almost always the Steelers or Chargers. You honestly can stop almost anything if their offense is one dimensional. These post routes are absolutely 100% stoppable. Whether you do it with pressure on the QB or manually with a linebacker, it is stoppable.
Yes, you have to play a near perfect game against some of these teams. However, I beat a guy ranked #128 who used VIck with the Chargers before any of these roster updates that made them a good team.
I am really against banning teams, plays and routes. Here's a tip: play some manual defense.
DJ Demon J
Banned
Mav: What's the punt block glitch?
FrenchMovieTheme said:
You fool why were you arguing with me when I bitched about the Falcons in the season 2 thread?!?! :lol :lol :lol
If we are going to ban anything, I think it should be the play of the outside defensive ends. When I played CK in a non league game he used the Lions and I used the panthers. Some defensive lineman on the outside kept on running around my offensive lineman on the outside the entire game and putting pressure on the QB. I think that move is just as cheesy as the CB/LB blitz. I even swapped outside lineman mid game and nothing happened. Stepping up in the pocket doesn't work either because the defensive lineman goes completely around the offensive lineman and can hit the qb from behind. Now, you can say run the ball right at the lineman but that is only half the story. What if it is 3rd and 13 and you really need to pass? If I have to relegate to max protect every pass play that isn't cool.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Punt block glitch cost me a game earlier today. If you try to punt from the regular formation, you can line up outside and time it well so that you tackle the punter 100%. You need to go with a max protect punt formation, which of course allows for a bigger return for the other team. FG block is even worse since there is no max prot fg. Thank god I have only seen one guy use it on me.
Bob: It's your fault for passing as much as you do. I was using the Lions of all Ds and I would spread the line and audible for my DLs to attack the outside and loop around his line. Had you either A) Stepped into the pocket or B) Run at all to the inside I would have played a lot straighter. It's prefectly beatable. Failing that, you can just tell your RB to block for you.
Bob: It's your fault for passing as much as you do. I was using the Lions of all Ds and I would spread the line and audible for my DLs to attack the outside and loop around his line. Had you either A) Stepped into the pocket or B) Run at all to the inside I would have played a lot straighter. It's prefectly beatable. Failing that, you can just tell your RB to block for you.
I did step up into the pocket. It didn't matter. When you can go around untouched on 90 percent of the pass plays I have a problem with it. I don't want to ban DE play. But I say you gotta make contact with the offensive lineman first before trying to move around. It is way too easy to run around because controlling a lineman on the outside manually allows you to take a better angle and movement than the CPU.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
I played Nickel 3-3-5 and Quarter most of that game. You were getting pressure, and have been getting pressured because you hold the ball for so long. It's not my fault that I am a good d-line player. You've played me when I used Strahan and you've beaten me, in fact you've crushed me and you didn't have a problem. Now I use an average DE and it's a problem? Wait until you see Fifty playing as a CB.
You never ran around the offensive lineman with Strahan like you did with the Lions DE dude. But whatever, if you want to use lineman cheese in season 3 go for it I'm against banning of anything. You caught me by surprise because I've never seen that in a Madden game before. Don't worry about me having plays in place for that run around I already have plenty in mind.
You caught me by surprise because I've never seen that in a Madden game before. Don't worry about me having plays in place for that run around I already have plenty in mind. DJ Demon J
Banned
Hey Bob, since you have time to bitch here about CK's DE control, you should have time to play our game. Let's go!
Let's go!Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Mrbob said:You never ran around the offensive lineman with Strahan like you did with the Lions DE dude. But whatever, if you want to use lineman cheese in season 3 go for it I'm against banning of anything.
Matrix and DM will tell you different. Fact of the matter is, it doesn't generate as much pressure as you guys think, I thought I had proved that. Here is my post outlining how much pressure it does generate. http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=801536&postcount=490
Aslo, check the stats for our game:
Code:
Statistics Wellie MrBob
Rushing attempts for 22 9
Rushing yards for 135 37
Passing attempts for 11 25
Passing yards for 152 74
Sacks for 3 2
Hurries 8 3
Knockdowns 4 29 rushes for 37 yards, why should I respect the run?
Edit: Why didn't you do the same with Rucker and Peppers since it is such a problem for you? They are much better than my shitty Lions defender.