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Madeleine McCann: suspect is helping police find her body 10 miles from where she was abducted
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nush
Member
Not available for most of us.It doesn't open for me.
cjp
Junior Member
that quick bit of research showed you’re a grade A conspiracy theory fucking nut job.
Xplainin
Banned
nush
Member
Ash Sparrow
Banned
The last one works for me, but I cant bring myself to watch this.
Insane Metal
Member
Xplainin
Banned
Yeah he is one evil fuck.
And it's not crazy to assume that the police may well have video or photos of her.
Based on the other crimes he has committed he would more than likely took photos. Gotta admit I thought the parents killed her I even knew somebody who worked on the case who told me the ‘police know they did it but haven’t got enough evidence’.
nush
Member
I'm sure they are just pinning it on this guy to close the case. If he's this big of a sex offender and really that crazy how did he get let off when they first looked at him and searched his van? Remember the reason for the Portuguese police being taken off the case and the British police taking over was it was alleged the Portuguese police were incompetent.
Charging this guy does not suddenly make all the years long inconsistencies, contradictions and strange behavior of the McCanns just vanish.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
nush
Member
The issue with talking about this case now is that most people were too young to follow it originally so they are commenting on it as if it's a new story. "Little blonde girl gets snatched from hotel room by pedo." The actual details are far more interesting and debatable than that.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
The McCanns really did a superb job on this. An entire generation who accept the bullshit as fact.
nush
Member
Actually, it was the press and politicians. The McCanns made bank.
Do you know what I'm looking forward to? This guy getting fitted up (not going to feel sorry for him at all anyway) and then the McCanns victory lap smelling their own farts. Then having dropped their guard as the case is "Solved" sometime in the future incriminating themselves and throwing more contradictions on the pile.
Insane Metal
Member
I've seen and read a lot of stuff and I don't believe the parents did it.
Maybe it's just my brain telling me not to believe the parents would be such terrible people.
Maybe it's just my brain telling me not to believe the parents would be such terrible people.
V4skunk
Banned
The family killed her or sold their own daughter.
Even the silenced Greek police think the same.
Go watch some stuff on YT about it.
The family even know the Podestas from the US and even Tony Podesta was in the same place as the family...
nush
Member
I've seen and read a lot of stuff and I don't believe the parents did it.
Maybe it's just my brain telling me not to believe the parents would be such terrible people.
I don't think they "Did it", what they did in my opinion was death by negligence and then covering it up with an abduction story.
nush
Member
it was in Portugal, get your facts right.
Insane Metal
Member
Yeah, it's still pretty horrible if that's the case. I hope it isn't
V4skunk
Banned
Explain how the police sniffer dog during the original disappearance of the girl found body fluids from a dead body in the families rental car?
The Mcann's are also rumoured to be satanists and have huge links to very powerful people like Tony Podesta (paedo brothers / pizzagate).
The Mcann's are also rumoured to be satanists and have huge links to very powerful people like Tony Podesta (paedo brothers / pizzagate).
nush
Member
Never heard that one, but being part of a pedo ring I have heard.
Airola
Member
One thing to consider is that if it's true that this guy kidnapped and killed Madeleine and if the parents had nothing to do with that and if the parents then know that they hadn't had the dead Madeleine in the car at any point, then it's more than understandable that they would hold on to the case as long and as much as they've done because they would then know that the dog smelling blood or a cadaver in the car would be for one of these reasons:
1) traces unrelated to Madeleine but media and people falsely connecting that to her death 2) the dog handler handling the situation poorly and due to that having the dogs give false information, or 3) deliberately having the dogs give false information for whatever reason.
In any of those cases I would do everything I can to find the truth too.
1) traces unrelated to Madeleine but media and people falsely connecting that to her death 2) the dog handler handling the situation poorly and due to that having the dogs give false information, or 3) deliberately having the dogs give false information for whatever reason.
In any of those cases I would do everything I can to find the truth too.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Never thought the parents did it. I don’t think the parents killed Jon Benet either,
I’m feeling really good about this one, I think this might finally be it.
Now hopefully we get some closure for Mikelle Biggs one day.
I’m feeling really good about this one, I think this might finally be it.
Now hopefully we get some closure for Mikelle Biggs one day.
cjp
Junior Member
the evidence doesn’t though, which seems to be the conclusion of everyone that’s actually competent.
the quoted expose you’ve posted in this thread from a detective convicted of perjury and falsifying documents and evidence in a separate murder investigation isn’t compelling on any level either.
MilkLizard
Member
Psst,
The Bloody-Nine
sounds like he knows exactly what happened so he's obviously very competent. I mean why wouldn't you believe some stranger on a gaming forum of all places? Get some perspective.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
*sigh*
OBJECTIVE FACTS
4 British couples shared a holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal in 2007. They were accompanied by 8 young children, all under the age of 4 and one grandmother.
Every evening, the 4 couples put their children to bed, and left them alone with no baby minding service, while they went out to eat and drink.
Madeleine McCann was reported missing on the night of 3rd May.
The parents claim she was abducted.
The parents claim that the shutters had been forced open and the window was open.
The Shutters and the window only contained Kate McCann’s finger prints.
There is no evidence that an intruder entered the apartment.
There is no evidence to suggest Madeline was abducted.
90% of all missing child cases involve somebody close to the family.
There were some worrying aspects of the statements given by the parents regarding the night of 3rdMay.
The timeline presented by the members of the Tapas 7 [the other 7 adults) in evidence on 4th May showed inconsistencies and certain statements made by the same people on the 10th May had changed.
The McCanns stated they would never return home without Madeline.
2 highly trained dogs, Eddie and Keela, found blood and cadaverine inside and outside the apartment and on their clothes. Cuddle Toy was left and photographed on the bed and also alerted the dogs to cadaveine.
The same 2 dogs found blood and cadaverine on a hire car they hired 24 days after her disappearance.
Goncalo Amaral made the parents suspects and called them in for further investigation. Kate McCann refused to answer all 48 questions in the interview.
The McCanns returned home without Madeline.
The British government and press interfered with the Portuguese investigation and Gonzalo Amaral was removed from the case.
Subsequent inquiries, including Operation Grange, financed by £12m of British tax payer’s money has still found no evidence of an abduction.
CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
On the night of the 1st, Mrs Fenn, an elderly lady who lived directly above apartment 5a, stated that at 10.30 she heard a young child crying in the apartment below. The crying grew gradually worse. At 11.45 she heard the sliding doors, and it finally stopped.
That night, the evidence shows that the Tapas 9 ate in the Tapas bar and later went for drinks in Chaplin’s Bar outside the holiday complex. For sure, we know that between 10.30 and 11.45, no checks were done. Sadly Mrs Fenn is no longer with us, some have tried to discredit her account, please remember she had no reason to lie.
It became clear on the 3rd May that something terrible had happened. Following the accounts given in the Original Police Statements, at 10pm Kate had gone to check on the kids, came running back to the Tapas bar where all other 8 were seated, shouting “they have taken her” Madeleine was gone.
That everybody except Diane Webster, the grandmother, left the Tapas bar immediately and went to the apartment 5a. None of the others went to check on their own kids first. There were some statements made of arriving and seeing the window open. Some claimed to have entered the apartment to search and later retracted them.
There was confusion about whether the doors were open or locked, followed by contradicting versions of what they did next. There were still no accounts of them checking on their own kids. What was consistent in their claims was the 10pm timeline.
They started to organise the search. Russell O’Brien and Matthew Oldfield seemed to take control of this. There is no mention of Gerry McCann being there at this time. Nobody had called the police. In fact mobile phone records show that none of them had used their mobile phones from 8.30 that night.
At 10.30, the elderly lady upstairs heard a commotion outside and went out and saw Gerry McCann. She asked what had happened. Gerry replied “a young girl has gone missing” and didn’t ask if she had heard anything. She offered her phone to call the police. Gerry said they had already been called. She went back inside. Gerry did not say...My Daughter has been taken. If he believed Maddie had been abducted, why did he not ask her if she had heard anything?
The police were called at 10.41pm. Matthew Oldfield walked to the resort reception, 5 minutes away to get them to call the police. After the police arrived, mobile phone activity resumed.
The search began. Gerry and Kate McCann didn’t join the search. They stayed in the apartment with Rachel O’Brien. The police requested they did not phone the press at this stage. There was nothing in the phone records to suggest they did until 04.30am. Kate’s call to a long standing friend Jill Renwick in the early hours of 4th May saying ‘we have been searching until 4.30 in the morning and then everybody left us’ She went on to tell Jill that the shutters had been broken open and they had gone into the room and taken her. Jill calls GMTV. Within no time 6.1 million viewers in the UK were going to work spreading the story. Being first with the story is more important than being the first with the facts, it seems. At this stage, the Portuguese Police had not yet had the opportunity to take a single statement.
On the 4th, the McCanns and all members of the Tapas 7 along with other witnesses were called into the police station to give statements. The original statements made by the Tapas 7 told a story of continual checks on the 8 children in the 4 different apartments in the same block. There were 6 doctors amongst them, and all considered the children to be safe and continuously monitored whilst they enjoyed themselves.
None of them had used the free child watch schemeavailable from the tour operators. None of them admitted that their actions were negligent. What was to become a greater concern was the timeline. They all stated that Kate raised the alarm at 10pm. Other independent witnesses contradicted this. The Chef in the Tapas Bar, Arlindo Parleja stated that he was told at 9.20 that a child had gone missing. Another statement declared that at 9.40 the table at which they sat was empty Staff in the Millenium Bar, a 9 minute walk away, were aware of a missing child before 10pm.
The Smith family saw a man carrying a young child in the direction of the beach at 21.55 on the night of the 3rd. They later identified this man to be Gerry McCann when they saw video footage of Gerry carrying one of the twins on his arrival back in the UK.
Jane Tanner, one of the Tapas 7 claims that she saw a man carrying a child away from the apartment at 9.15.
At the same time and in the same place as Gerry states he was speaking to a friend Jez Wilkins. Neither of them said in their statements that they saw her, in spite of this being a very quiet street and all three were supposedly very close to the window that Kate McCann stated had been opened. None of them saw an open window. The McCanns used the British press to spin this version of events which contradicted the Smith’s sighting. Even though it can’t be disproved until this day, independent witnesses state that she never left the Tapas bar. It suggests that this was fabricated to fit the narrative and give Gerry an alibi.
There was the missing tennis bag, deleted messages, the dog evidence, blood matching Maddies found under the tiles, on Kate’s clothes. She claimed that she was a doctor and had been in contact with dead bodies. Yet the clothes she wore when she travelled to Praia da Luz were not contaminated, meaning that other clothes in the suitcase would have been cross contaminated with the odour of those trousers, but were not. How could Madeline’s Cuddle Cat, left behind on the bed smell of cadaverine? The absence of holiday photos is strange. The printing of the photos of Madeline that were given to the police on the morning of the 4th highlights other questions of when and how these were printed. Amy Tierney who was the resort Creche Manager stated she was in the Tapas Bar at 10pm, and along with the whole group, went directly to the apartment, saw the window was open and searched for the child. Neither her nor Russell O’Brien mentioned the printing of 30 photos at the resort reception at midnight that night in their original statements. This information was added later, by which time she was no longer in possession of the printer.
There is so much other damning evidence that I shall not continue to state here because it would take weeks to compile and pages upon pages of difficult reading. In any case, that job has already been brilliantly done by 10pm Praia da Luz
But yeah, it's WAY more likely that some paedo climbed in through their window, kidnapped one kid but left the rest without making any noise or leaving a shred of evidence, and got away with it.
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nush
Member
*sigh*
OBJECTIVE FACTS
4 British couples shared a holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal in 2007. They were accompanied by 8 young children, all under the age of 4 and one grandmother.
Every evening, the 4 couples put their children to bed, and left them alone with no baby minding service, while they went out to eat and drink.
Madeleine McCann was reported missing on the night of 3rd May.
The parents claim she was abducted.
The parents claim that the shutters had been forced open and the window was open.
The Shutters and the window only contained Kate McCann’s finger prints.
There is no evidence that an intruder entered the apartment.
There is no evidence to suggest Madeline was abducted.
90% of all missing child cases involve somebody close to the family.
There were some worrying aspects of the statements given by the parents regarding the night of 3rdMay.
The timeline presented by the members of the Tapas 7 [the other 7 adults) in evidence on 4th May showed inconsistencies and certain statements made by the same people on the 10th May had changed.
The McCanns stated they would never return home without Madeline.
2 highly trained dogs, Eddie and Keela, found blood and cadaverine inside and outside the apartment and on their clothes. Cuddle Toy was left and photographed on the bed and also alerted the dogs to cadaveine.
The same 2 dogs found blood and cadaverine on a hire car they hired 24 days after her disappearance.
Goncalo Amaral made the parents suspects and called them in for further investigation. Kate McCann refused to answer all 48 questions in the interview.
The McCanns returned home without Madeline.
The British government and press interfered with the Portuguese investigation and Gonzalo Amaral was removed from the case.
Subsequent inquiries, including Operation Grange, financed by £12m of British tax payer’s money has still found no evidence of an abduction.
CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
On the night of the 1st, Mrs Fenn, an elderly lady who lived directly above apartment 5a, stated that at 10.30 she heard a young child crying in the apartment below. The crying grew gradually worse. At 11.45 she heard the sliding doors, and it finally stopped.
That night, the evidence shows that the Tapas 9 ate in the Tapas bar and later went for drinks in Chaplin’s Bar outside the holiday complex. For sure, we know that between 10.30 and 11.45, no checks were done. Sadly Mrs Fenn is no longer with us, some have tried to discredit her account, please remember she had no reason to lie.
It became clear on the 3rd May that something terrible had happened. Following the accounts given in the Original Police Statements, at 10pm Kate had gone to check on the kids, came running back to the Tapas bar where all other 8 were seated, shouting “they have taken her” Madeleine was gone.
That everybody except Diane Webster, the grandmother, left the Tapas bar immediately and went to the apartment 5a. None of the others went to check on their own kids first. There were some statements made of arriving and seeing the window open. Some claimed to have entered the apartment to search and later retracted them.
There was confusion about whether the doors were open or locked, followed by contradicting versions of what they did next. There were still no accounts of them checking on their own kids. What was consistent in their claims was the 10pm timeline.
They started to organise the search. Russell O’Brien and Matthew Oldfield seemed to take control of this. There is no mention of Gerry McCann being there at this time. Nobody had called the police. In fact mobile phone records show that none of them had used their mobile phones from 8.30 that night.
At 10.30, the elderly lady upstairs heard a commotion outside and went out and saw Gerry McCann. She asked what had happened. Gerry replied “a young girl has gone missing” and didn’t ask if she had heard anything. She offered her phone to call the police. Gerry said they had already been called. She went back inside. Gerry did not say...My Daughter has been taken. If he believed Maddie had been abducted, why did he not ask her if she had heard anything?
The police were called at 10.41pm. Matthew Oldfield walked to the resort reception, 5 minutes away to get them to call the police. After the police arrived, mobile phone activity resumed.
The search began. Gerry and Kate McCann didn’t join the search. They stayed in the apartment with Rachel O’Brien. The police requested they did not phone the press at this stage. There was nothing in the phone records to suggest they did until 04.30am. Kate’s call to a long standing friend Jill Renwick in the early hours of 4th May saying ‘we have been searching until 4.30 in the morning and then everybody left us’ She went on to tell Jill that the shutters had been broken open and they had gone into the room and taken her. Jill calls GMTV. Within no time 6.1 million viewers in the UK were going to work spreading the story. Being first with the story is more important than being the first with the facts, it seems. At this stage, the Portuguese Police had not yet had the opportunity to take a single statement.
On the 4th, the McCanns and all members of the Tapas 7 along with other witnesses were called into the police station to give statements. The original statements made by the Tapas 7 told a story of continual checks on the 8 children in the 4 different apartments in the same block. There were 6 doctors amongst them, and all considered the children to be safe and continuously monitored whilst they enjoyed themselves.
None of them had used the free child watch schemeavailable from the tour operators. None of them admitted that their actions were negligent. What was to become a greater concern was the timeline. They all stated that Kate raised the alarm at 10pm. Other independent witnesses contradicted this. The Chef in the Tapas Bar, Arlindo Parleja stated that he was told at 9.20 that a child had gone missing. Another statement declared that at 9.40 the table at which they sat was empty Staff in the Millenium Bar, a 9 minute walk away, were aware of a missing child before 10pm.
The Smith family saw a man carrying a young child in the direction of the beach at 21.55 on the night of the 3rd. They later identified this man to be Gerry McCann when they saw video footage of Gerry carrying one of the twins on his arrival back in the UK.
Jane Tanner, one of the Tapas 7 claims that she saw a man carrying a child away from the apartment at 9.15.
At the same time and in the same place as Gerry states he was speaking to a friend Jez Wilkins. Neither of them said in their statements that they saw her, in spite of this being a very quiet street and all three were supposedly very close to the window that Kate McCann stated had been opened. None of them saw an open window. The McCanns used the British press to spin this version of events which contradicted the Smith’s sighting. Even though it can’t be disproved until this day, independent witnesses state that she never left the Tapas bar. It suggests that this was fabricated to fit the narrative and give Gerry an alibi.
There was the missing tennis bag, deleted messages, the dog evidence, blood matching Maddies found under the tiles, on Kate’s clothes. She claimed that she was a doctor and had been in contact with dead bodies. Yet the clothes she wore when she travelled to Praia da Luz were not contaminated, meaning that other clothes in the suitcase would have been cross contaminated with the odour of those trousers, but were not. How could Madeline’s Cuddle Cat, left behind on the bed smell of cadaverine? The absence of holiday photos is strange. The printing of the photos of Madeline that were given to the police on the morning of the 4th highlights other questions of when and how these were printed. Amy Tierney who was the resort Creche Manager stated she was in the Tapas Bar at 10pm, and along with the whole group, went directly to the apartment, saw the window was open and searched for the child. Neither her nor Russell O’Brien mentioned the printing of 30 photos at the resort reception at midnight that night in their original statements. This information was added later, by which time she was no longer in possession of the printer.
There is so much other damning evidence that I shall not continue to state here because it would take weeks to compile and pages upon pages of difficult reading. In any case, that job has already been brilliantly done by 10pm Praia da Luz
But yeah, it's WAY more likely that some paedo climbed in through their window, kidnapped one kid but left the rest without making any noise or leaving a shred of evidence, and got away with it.
That's a pretty thorough account, but some details are missing or incorrect. But the devil is in the details and it's been 14 years or so.
They left the kids alone but did not use the creche service offered by the holiday complex. They claim to have checked every ten minuted but the distances involved would have meant that they would have been relaying all night and even then, the timeline does not match up with the accounts. So much so that they only way they could retcon it was for Gerry to claim that the abductor must have been in the villa at the same time he checked.
Kate when she noticed Maddie missing shouted "They've taken her!", super odd leap of assumption there and not "she's missing take a look around and find her she must have wandered off."
The next thing they did was to sit down and make a diary on some scrap card of the nights movements. It didn't match up so they threw the first one away. They played tennis the very next morning!
Kate washed Cuddle Cat! Why? That's evidence that could have contained DNA!
Anyway, so on and so forth. People that believe the abduction story and not that there was negligence on the McCanns part will be handwaving an awful lot of well documented stuff.
Anyway dogs
The Bloody-Nine
Member
May as well repost this as well. A former Scotland yard detective stating that the McCanns are guilty.
nightmare-slain
Gold Member
Apparently, Gerry McCann worked for Celtic FC... do a bit of reading into them and it seems suspicious.
I don't know what to think...this all seemed to come out of nowhere. They suddenly have evidence now after all these years? Could be a scapegoat.
What they did was horrible leaving their kids alone but if that's as far as they are involved then I hope they get closure.
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nush
Member
I've seen a few of this ex police guys interviews. He's a big activist for convicting child abusers. He has some good insight as a royal protection officer for Prince Andrew as well.
nush
Member
The Bloody-Nine
This is a good interview with a language analyst who's worked on many criminal cases. He's not super familiar with the McCann case but he gets a lot right just from studying one interview. He even suspects child abuse is somewhere in the mix due to some the language used.
It's two hours long so you need to strap in.
He thinks they are lying.
Alter_Fridge
Member
Smiles and Cries
Member
good looking out never had to fire up a VPN for anything before did not know which country I needed for this
edit: okay that video made me sick can't watch more, fuck that guy
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The Bloody-Nine
Member
He sure is taking his time.
Insane Metal
Member
Maybe there are lots and lots of wells in that region and he just lied about which one.
nush
Member
Prime suspect in disappearance of Madeleine McCann had female accomplice in string of robberies in Portugal
Authorities are questioning an ex-girlfriend of the convicted pedophile who is the main suspect in the disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann, saying the woman was an alleged accomplice …
nypost.com
Let's throw more bullshit on the pile.
The most noticeable thing about this new "Suspect" is the lack of comments by the media courting McCanns other than a boilerplate statement. They know that this guys confession needs to perfectly jigsaw into their contradictory statements and evidence. So it's likley they will either be caught out and if not the "Maddie fund" gravy train has come to and end.
Insane Metal
Member
Even if she's not involved at all, seems like a really shitty kind of person, so I'm fine with her being in prison. Let them do their job.Prime suspect in disappearance of Madeleine McCann had female accomplice in string of robberies in Portugal
Authorities are questioning an ex-girlfriend of the convicted pedophile who is the main suspect in the disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann, saying the woman was an alleged accomplice …
Let's throw more bullshit on the pile.
The most noticeable thing about this new "Suspect" is the lack of comments by the media courting McCanns other than a boilerplate statement. They know that this guys confession needs to perfectly jigsaw into their contradictory statements and evidence. So it's likley they will either be caught out and if not the "Maddie fund" gravy train has come to and end.
Insane Metal
Member
Lawyer for Madeleine McCann suspect tries to cast doubt on 'confession' witness
The lawyer for Christia Brueckner has claimed the man pointing the finger at his client over the 2007 abduction of Madeleine McCann from her Portugal holiday apartment
www.mirror.co.uk
fuck
The Bloody-Nine
Member
If you're not convinced by this stage that this entire fairy tale is total nonsense, I don't know what to tell you.
Actually, I do. The parents did it. I hope they burn in hell.
Actually, I do. The parents did it. I hope they burn in hell.
Sybrix
Member
I was just about to post "Surprised i dont see the tinfoil hat lunatics on this forum accusing the parents of murder" yet here you are right on time, classic Gaf
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The Bloody-Nine
Member
Post 76. Address it. You fraud.I was just about to post "Surprised i dont see the tinfoil hat lunatics on this forum accusing the parents of murder" yet here you are right on time, classic Gaf
Honey Bunny
Member
That German police confidently state she is dead while also openly saying they haven't found a body? Yeh. I feel sorry for whoever had to watch that shit.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
Sybrix
Member
Are we being watched by the Alex Jones crew now?
The Bloody-Nine
Member
Shocking. You have nothing to add because you're absolutely clueless.
Sybrix
Member
You think I wanna spend the next 20 mins typing out a reply to a nobody on shit internet forum? cba
The Bloody-Nine
Member
And yet you were fully prepared to weigh in. Until you were called out. You're full of shit. Fraud.
Dr Bass
Member
I was just about to post "Surprised i dont see the tinfoil hat lunatics on this forum accusing the parents of murder" yet here you are right on time, classic Gaf
Without being super involved in the details of this case historically, and watching a summary of the evidence, along with the police responses to the interviews of the parents (which should strike any normal person as completely bizarre behavior), why would you refer to the belief that the parents at least know what happened as one belonging to "tinfoil hat lunatics"? The one detective with a huge amount of experience even indicates that it seems pretty obvious it was an accident that the parents covered up. He even explains how they basically admit to it with their own words, and he also talks about how in his field they basically can't afford to get these things wrong.
I dunno. Based on the evidence and interviews seems to me like a 99% chance the parents do know what happened and had some involvement. The tinfoil hat accusation comes across as really weird.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
The McCanns genuinely have people attempting to protect their image online. This idiot would appear to be one of them. Can't wait to talk shit, but when challenged, disappears like a fart in a tornado. Typical.