AgentOtaku
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Valid, but I think most going into MAG understand that they'll be in for an investment initially.
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MAG |OT| 256-Player Battles, Lots of Teamwork, Not So Much Auto-Aim
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Harry_Manback
Neo Member
No sarcasm, I totally agree. My point was that alot of teams get "stuck" trying to shoot/snipe S.V.E.R down from their A and B, and that just won't work. They'll just heal up and continue their target practice.Palmer_v1 said:
Loudninja said:
so 1UP is the most hardcore out of the bunch eh? I would expect gaming sites to understand MAG much better than Heavy Rain, but thats obviously just me being naive.
I want to check out MAG badly, too bard that right now time is so sparse.
I bet these people never review PC RTS's, i had to read tutorial just to turn on HoI3 ;-).
Liberty4all
Banned
Corran Horn said:
I can't believe I missed it. I had to log abit earlier than usual, wife wanted to watch a movie. BLEH
I was noticing last night while playing alot of Raven are starting to specialize in high end equipment. I specced the 2nd tier rocket launcher and it makes killing SVER in bunker turrets a breeze.
Also Raven has quickly learned that you don't have to hold ALL the domination points ... just 2 or 3. It works really well getting multiple squads to gang bang one or two points.
Billen said:
Yeah, when you play in a group you can have mad fun even though you eventually lose, playing alone with randoms makes it a lot more frustrating, frustration that is reduced with a win.
Also, when you lose a lot your victories become so much sweeter! I'm so jelaous i didnt get to play the domination win over SVER last night :X
So RavenGAF beat SVERGAF last night? :lol So awesome!
I made the horrible mistake of starting to play MAG at 8, when 24 was on at 9 and I was thinking I'd just play until 9 and then pick back up after 24. No, I played through 24 and will have to catch that on Hulu sometime. Had quite a few matches with RavenGAF and we won a couple times against SVER, probably 50/50 last night.
Oh and about the review scores, this is going to be one of those games that reviews pretty poorly among the gaming press that doesn't spend a ton of time on one game because they have to "beat" it and get on to the next game to review. Also, pretty sure most of them are not rolling in clans, and that's where this game is meant to be played. For me, this is the closest thing I've played to a PC shooter on a console ever.
I made the horrible mistake of starting to play MAG at 8, when 24 was on at 9 and I was thinking I'd just play until 9 and then pick back up after 24. No, I played through 24 and will have to catch that on Hulu sometime. Had quite a few matches with RavenGAF and we won a couple times against SVER, probably 50/50 last night.
Oh and about the review scores, this is going to be one of those games that reviews pretty poorly among the gaming press that doesn't spend a ton of time on one game because they have to "beat" it and get on to the next game to review. Also, pretty sure most of them are not rolling in clans, and that's where this game is meant to be played. For me, this is the closest thing I've played to a PC shooter on a console ever.
Cellbomber
Member
I'm thinking of doing a respec tonight. I may add a lot to electronics since it seems useful for the squad and not a lot of people use the jammers from what I can tell.
Anyone else try them out? I guess I'd take an xp hit since using them will provide no xp compared to carrying various grenades and mines.
Anyone else try them out? I guess I'd take an xp hit since using them will provide no xp compared to carrying various grenades and mines.
Liberty4all
Banned
J-Rzez said:
Disagree.
I believe that Valor and Raven are starting to do abit better mainly as a result of hardcore clans in each of them adapting strategies that work.
Alot of us are starting to get ranked up enough to actually unlock some of the really important high end weaponry that are basically nesseceties on SVER maps (2nd tier rocket launcher, poison grenades, etc).
It is not because the "mad skillz" SVER players are joining our ranks lol
Liberty4all
Banned
andycapps said:
It definately does have a PC'ish feel eh? =)
Liberty4all
Banned
Click said:
Raven already does this and has been doing this for at least the last few days. Generally this is coordinated on command chat. We learned a long time very quickly it's the only way to win on SVER domination. You don't have to hold all the points, just cram as many bodies as possible into the two easiest points to hold.
edit: sorry I guess I should have got the last 3 posts out into one post.
raven are finally getting there shit together.
now that we have finally destroyed sver, it would be nice to play a valor domination for the first time(been playing for 40 hours since tuesday). only played a couple of valor acquisition in the first couple of days.
p.s. doubt i will be on tonight, going to watch a footy match the other side of london to me so will be back late and then got to be up early for week.
Keep destroying the SVER scum RavenGAF
now that we have finally destroyed sver, it would be nice to play a valor domination for the first time(been playing for 40 hours since tuesday). only played a couple of valor acquisition in the first couple of days.
p.s. doubt i will be on tonight, going to watch a footy match the other side of london to me so will be back late and then got to be up early for week.
Keep destroying the SVER scum RavenGAF
Hey all I've pretty much have had it with MW2......So being a long time SOCOM player I decided to pick up MAG, Glad I did!! I'm just looking for a clan who really wants to play, Like I do....Strategy! I'm in the central time zone and play after 7 PMish if your looking for a member im your dude! Just send me a request on the PSN make sure you put something about MAG in the comments. My PSN ID is : Coop. The original Coop... not Coop1 or Coop1974 Just the first Coop on the PSN!
Liberty4all
Banned
tcs_vdub said:
If you go Raven look for me online tonight and I'll send you a clan invite. You can add me over PSN as well (PSN - Bamelin).
It isn't as pronounced as many make it out to be. The only real issue with the SVER domination map is the single area that has several bunkers lined up with attackers essentially running into a firing squad or shooting gallery (as pictured in the comic). But that's not the entire map and half of the team is in a different area. One that is easily destroyed if you can get 1 or 2 APCs up to the gate and then move quickly to the AAA. As we saw yesterday, a couple matches had Raven and Valor not even send their troops to the first area and simply crushed us.Wes said:
BattleMonkey
Member
Problem with rifles, while more accurate overall, is the game massive size. Theres just not enough bullets in the rifles to deal with volume of enemies :lol
Whenever I use the rifle I get a couple kills and need a reload but usually get murdered or have to run the hell away while with LMG you can just keep going Rambo and score ton of kills.
Which is about 1/3 of the map, the game is all about all the sides being able to pull their weight to be able to win in that mode especially, that area causes a log jam with how difficult it is to get past and prevents the faction from getting enough damage in time to win. Proper team work is needed to get by it, but an opposing team with good coordination also knows how to counter and easily defend that area.
Whenever I use the rifle I get a couple kills and need a reload but usually get murdered or have to run the hell away while with LMG you can just keep going Rambo and score ton of kills.
TheFallen said:
Which is about 1/3 of the map, the game is all about all the sides being able to pull their weight to be able to win in that mode especially, that area causes a log jam with how difficult it is to get past and prevents the faction from getting enough damage in time to win. Proper team work is needed to get by it, but an opposing team with good coordination also knows how to counter and easily defend that area.
Hmmm well it is probably my Raven losing experience which is tinting my view somewhat. Could really do with some overhead maps so they can be properly examined.
I know one thing annoying about the Raven domination map: the anti-air being on the ship. Unlike SVER's maps (to my experience) a squad can run directly to the AA without having to go directly through/past a bunker.
I know one thing annoying about the Raven domination map: the anti-air being on the ship. Unlike SVER's maps (to my experience) a squad can run directly to the AA without having to go directly through/past a bunker.
BattleMonkey said:
This is true. I respec'd and got the LMG with the foregrip and the reflex sight or whatever it's called. Is pretty awesome. Pretty satisfying defending a cooling tower and seeing 5 SVER running towards me and gunning them all down easily from a distance.
Also, that secondary RPG that Raven has is awesome. Lockon on the turrets from quite a distance away is pretty great, as is taking out tanks that are charging Raven's points. We could quite put it together last night attacking on that map but we got fairly close and planted it a couple times on that bunker. Bad thing was that SVER had an APC pulled up behind the bunker to cover and to respawn if we took out that bunker.
JonnyKtyler
Member
Been fun playing with RAVENGAF over the last few days. We had some good games for sure. I'll be getting 1 or 2 more lvls today, i forget what I need, but then i'll have poison grenades. Will be playing before and after LOST probably.
freethought
Member
Wes said:
Yeah, that was a bit of a low point. We had some hard luck in the SVER sabo game too. There is nothing more annoying than making a good push on your end and seeing nary a squabble for the other point in a game of sabotage.
Fixed1979
Member
A few good games last night, the win over SVER was certainly a nice relief, and to do it so quickly was icing. Looking forward to playing again tonight, it'll be broken up by the hockey game though...Go 'Nucks!
That's the problem I'm running into now, a clip of 25 means alot of re-loading and for some reason I'm having a harder time remembering to re-load in this game than any other FPS (where it's usually automatic). I really don't want to respec again so I'm just going to have to suck it up.
BattleMonkey said:
That's the problem I'm running into now, a clip of 25 means alot of re-loading and for some reason I'm having a harder time remembering to re-load in this game than any other FPS (where it's usually automatic). I really don't want to respec again so I'm just going to have to suck it up.
BattleMonkey
Member
Perhaps LMG's should have had their CC increased to make it more beneficial to take rifles. Last game I played my squad was entirely LMG users outside of 2 guys. You can easily carry a rpg, higher tier lmg, and heavy armor as well as some extras, probably should be more restricted in amount of gear you get if you take the LMG's.
I kinda wish I had that preorder armor now. I hate when limited bonus items like this actually give an advantage to online play, especially if they are retailer specific.
On another note, here is some pretty useful weapon info that users on the mag forums put together... http://forums.mag.com/mag/board/message?board.id=generaldiscussion&thread.id=221597
On another note, here is some pretty useful weapon info that users on the mag forums put together... http://forums.mag.com/mag/board/message?board.id=generaldiscussion&thread.id=221597
BattleMonkey
Member
Has anyone gotten the grenade launcher on a rifle? I've never seen anyone use one, wondering if it is even worth the trouble.
Fixed1979 said:
5 points, it's the last tier. Great site for planning (it's in the OP, too) - http://www.maggametools.com/skills. I am plenty happy with the default LMG for now. I will go for stability upgrades, etc. with the default LMG.
Is the PSK MG worth the 5 points, folks? Or use the stock RTK-74 (S.V.E.R.)?
Liberty4all
Banned
Fixed1979 said:
On Raven it's an extra 200 I believe (costs 800cc)
sk3tch said:
Personally I don't think the PSK is worth the 5 points. I had it specced and dropped it after a few nights.
Pros:
The gun is deadly medium to short range, literally mowing down hostiles. You can definately take down a group of enemies you get the jump on quicker than the regular LMG
It takes less bullets to drop somebody (more damage per bullet I think)
Easier to take out turrets and APC's
Sound effects of gun are much more manly
Cons:
rate of fire is less than the 1st tier LMG
Accuracy isn't as good as 1st tier LMG
Range isn't as good as 1st tier LMG (I believe for me this was due to recoil and accuracy issues)
Gun is heavy as hell
Basically for me the big issue was weight. I like to roll with Heavy Armour and a few items/goodies, but with the PSK I found myself having to make too many compromises with my loadouts and having to drop attachments (which affected my accuracy big time).
The regular LMG in my opinion is *almost* as good as the PSK (as good with attachments), weighs less which allows for more versatiliy, and perhaps most importantly the regular LMG is nto going to cost you 5 precious skill points.
Spend the 5 points on the 2nd tier rocket launcher. It's far more important (especially on SVER maps) and not enough Raven carry it.
I agree with the somewhat low review scores, playing with a full GAF squad turns the game into a solid 8.5 for me (-1.5 for framerate and lag issues on Domination) but most players are going solo or just roll with a couple of friends... for them the MAG experience can be quite frustrating. For instance, some of my Spanish friends are complaining that the squad/platoon leaders and OICs are always issuing orders in English and they barely understand them (not that they can't speak English, but the English language and accent we learn/get used at school is not what we usually hear through our headsets, British academic English FTW) so they stick by the default FRAGO all the time or just go the boring lone wolf path. MAG is a game where communication is key, but when you're being put in a squad full of US players and you don't understand or speak English fluent enough what can you do? I'm always cursing the medic that run past me without trying to heal me or that guy not doing the job he's supposed to do to help the squad... but the question is, does he understand me? or more importantly, is my English good enough for him to understand me? clearly not.
Also, MAG servers are in the US so we Europeans got the ping disadvantage... what we have here is a hardcore FPS specially designed for the English-speaking community with no option for regional matchmaking. I'm really enjoying it with my GAFe friends and it's my favorite online shooter second to KZ2... but at the same time I understand why my University friends are going back to MW2 or other games. MW2 PS3 version is the top selling game after so many weeks, MAG was #3 last week but this week is sadly #24 and going down.
Also, MAG servers are in the US so we Europeans got the ping disadvantage... what we have here is a hardcore FPS specially designed for the English-speaking community with no option for regional matchmaking. I'm really enjoying it with my GAFe friends and it's my favorite online shooter second to KZ2... but at the same time I understand why my University friends are going back to MW2 or other games. MW2 PS3 version is the top selling game after so many weeks, MAG was #3 last week but this week is sadly #24 and going down.
Violater said:So you say you don't enjoy my sweet Jamaican accent
:lol
I'm not talking about myself, just trying to explain what the average PS3 player over here is experiencing with MAG. Playing Suppression where no talk/orders are needed gets boring so fast.
wud said:
MAG is leagues better than MW2 in every imaginable way, are you joining SVER?
BattleMonkey
Member
Lince said:
It's not really getting low scores though.
Lince said:
I hear you...but honestly, I've played ONLY sabotage since day 1 (haven't got into the other modes yet). In sab, it's not nearly as important to have the command structure in place as most anyone can figure out - defend/attack A/B/C. So my counterpoint would be there is plenty there for everyone. I do, however, understand that their experience is limited so it does make it hard to justify $60...but only sabotage has kept me entertained for over 30 hours (beta/tourney/retail) so I certainly am getting my money's worth.
Lince said:
yeah my friends just bought the game aswell, told me SVER always wins, plus I like the idea of using non-futuristic weaponary (they sound like the russians of MAG :lol)
Don't think I'll be joining in NeoGAF games yet, going back to uni in 2-weeks and MY GIRLFRIEND is coming to stay next week, so im going to be PS3-less for a good couple of months
wud said:Don't think I'll be joining in NeoGAF games yet, going back to uni in 2-weeks and MY GIRLFRIEND is coming to stay next week, so im going to be PS3-less for a good couple of months
Unfortunately these are also my two reasons for not buying MAG, although in my case you have to make the slight adjustment from "my girlfriend is coming to stay next week" to "i've moved back in with my parents". i frickin' loved the beta but unfortunately now just ain't the right time for me to be getting into a game that'd probably chew up at least a dozen hours a week (beta was like frickin' crack to me). i almost feel bad for not supporting this great game in the face of fucking MW2...