Magic: the GAFering |OT2|
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Gatekeeper
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Ok. Sorry.
Ultron87 said:
Yes. In Utah specifically it could be construed as a lottery.
Gatekeeper
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Wizards does not make any advertisements regarding the potential value of the cards in the packs, for this specific reason.
divisionbyzorro
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So you're specifically complaining about the "Gold Rush" thing they did?
Gatekeeper
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Because skirting or straight up ignoring the law is unprofessional?
Well since I don't see any mention of card value on this page: http://www.gpcharlotte.com/index.html, I don't really see how it is different than any Magic event ever that gives you some product for entering.
The difference between "gaming" and "gambling" is semantic.
Gatekeeper
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Except in those events everyone is receiving an item of equal value, receiving the same item, and everyone knows what they are receiving ahead of time.
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/misc/23679_Grand_Prix_Salt_Lake_City_Gold_Rush.html
No specific value of individual card values mentioned, but the overall total is. Also, they had a backup of if the packs were not given out in the main event, they'd be given to the winners of 8 man events. This changes the make up of both how they are given out and the investment necessary to get one.
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/Utah/
(2) (a) "Gambling" means risking anything of value for a return or risking anything of value upon the outcome of a contest, game, gaming scheme, or gaming device when the return or outcome:
(i) is based upon an element of chance; and (ii) is in accord with an agreement or understanding that someone will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome.
(b) "Gambling" includes a lotteryand fringe gambling.
(c) "Gambling" does not include:
(i) a lawful business transaction; or (ii) playing an amusement device that confers only an immediate and unrecorded right of replay not exchangeable for value.
(6) "Lottery" means any scheme for the disposal or distribution of property by chance among persons who have paid or promised to pay any valuable consideration for the chance of obtaining property, or portion of it, or for any share or any interest in property, upon any agreement, understanding, or expectation that it is to be distributed or disposed of by lot or chance, whether called a lottery, raffle, or gift enterprise, or by whatever name it is known.
Seems to me that it fits the bill.
How is any of this different than an 8 man Win a Box?
Also, Mutavault was added to the Salvation spoiler for M14, with a global mod not providing proof but saying a source he trusted confirmed it. I wonder what it's value will be- 25 (Snapcaster) is probably the highest a large set Rare can get, but i don't think this goes higher than 10 bucks come mid August.
It'll be like Cavern of Souls, essentially. Old version will dip some, but this will 100% have new art, to fit w/ Slivers.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I would harm baby seals for MTGO on iPad. Just kick the lil fuckers
Gatekeeper
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Because the distribution of the box is not by chance, but skill.
What about the 2 FNM promos at are supposed to be given to random players at FNM?
I put up the DOTP 2014 OT earlier: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=595326
At the Dragon's Maze Prerelease everyone paid 30 dollars. I saw someone open an Obzedat and a Ral Zarek, easily making their money back and more. I did not open such value. That seems just as much of a lottery as the Gold Rush stuff.
At the Dragon's Maze Prerelease everyone paid 30 dollars. I saw someone open an Obzedat and a Ral Zarek, easily making their money back and more. I did not open such value. That seems just as much of a lottery as the Gold Rush stuff.
So door prizes are a lottery now? I thought that since you aren't paying to win, just enter with the chance of getting a nice prize they were ok.
They just announced on twitter that Registration will close Friday night for GP Vegas
I have a feeling there is going to be a ton of people who just decide to show up on a whim (in a travel city like Vegas this is more likely) that aren't going to know this. They should be emailing everyone with a DCI Number.
I have a feeling there is going to be a ton of people who just decide to show up on a whim (in a travel city like Vegas this is more likely) that aren't going to know this. They should be emailing everyone with a DCI Number.
acheron_xl
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Oh god yes. This would be a culmination of many fantasies for me. In fact, I've seriously considered buying a touchscreen monitor many times just so I can touch MTGO. DotP is alright, but it doesn't scratch my deckbulder itch at ALL.
Gatekeeper
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In the state of Utah, it could very well be considered a lottery. It's all moot, because no one is going to consider tipping off the Utah DA over Magic.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Maybe 2 dollar sealed decks will do it for you???
acheron_xl
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Mehhhh.
Paying for nonexistent cards is one thing, paying for annualized, fake nonexistent cards is entirely another.
Woah, they are charging two bucks for sealed in DotP? That is some straight up bullshit. What the fuck? Can I at least trade them to others or use them in decks I build?
You start with two slots that you can open a pool each for. You can't reset them. So after that you can buy more slots (and therefore new pools to build from) for 2 bucks a pop.
Their claimed reason for this is so you can't just constantly reroll your pool till you get something crazy, which seems like a legitimate balance reason since you can play them online, but as soon as they tied it to microtransactions it gets super gross.
I really want to believe the art won't change because the old one is generic enough as it is, but you're right, they'll most likely change it.
Still, can't wait to pick them up.
Didn't even know about the $2 slot thing for DOTP. They could have done a million different things to discourage rerolling decks but instead they went that way. Guess I'm just going to take a trip to a few stores, get my Scavenging Ooze playset, and play a couple sealed games before shelfing it forever.
That's pretty lame. I can see the reason to have a restriction on pools in there, but that is a shitty way to do it. I was actually kind of excited for the sealed pools, thought it might be a cheap way to get a little better in a limited environment, but guess I will go back to blowing money on MTGO when I have too much money hanging around.
All of the above really. If it were missing one or two things it could adjust, but not having Jace, Force, Sword, Strix, Transmute Artifact, Ancient Tomb, and City of Traitors really guts the deck.
Sol Lands.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I may be late on this, but I was browsing through DGM randomly and
What the fuck?
What the fuck?
I may be late on this, but I was browsing through DGM randomly and
What the fuck?
Yeah, every now and then they really push the PG-13 art (Victim of Night says hi)
They've figured out that you don't market directly to younger kids, thankfully.
divisionbyzorro
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You want creepy art? Try Macabre Waltz. That's the stuff of nightmares.
divisionbyzorro
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Are you talking about that Mojang game from a while back? Is it out now or something?
narcosis219
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It's in beta now. It's "discounted" at $20 much like mine craft was back in its prerelease days.
So far I like it. It really shouldn't be compared to mtg at all in terms of how matches play out. I enjoy the fact that "mana" is produced by discarding cards so you never have completely dead hands. Not that you can mulligan though. That's partially solved by allowing you to discard and draw 2 instead of discard for mana every turn.
The combat is forced in a way that every creature has a timer where they automatically attack and there is a grid. Makes for interesting plays spatially.
The only two things that are missing that I miss from mtg are instant speed spells (your plays will come out 100% the way you think they will in a given single turn since your opponent cannot respond) and the fact that right now it is very difficult to make a multicolored deck. The costs for every card are completely colored, so I'm interested in whether or not the devs are going to come up with a solution to make multicolored decks somewhat decent.
It also isn't pay 2 win, though you can pay real money for certain random cards every week.
So far I like it. It really shouldn't be compared to mtg at all in terms of how matches play out. I enjoy the fact that "mana" is produced by discarding cards so you never have completely dead hands. Not that you can mulligan though. That's partially solved by allowing you to discard and draw 2 instead of discard for mana every turn.
The combat is forced in a way that every creature has a timer where they automatically attack and there is a grid. Makes for interesting plays spatially.
The only two things that are missing that I miss from mtg are instant speed spells (your plays will come out 100% the way you think they will in a given single turn since your opponent cannot respond) and the fact that right now it is very difficult to make a multicolored deck. The costs for every card are completely colored, so I'm interested in whether or not the devs are going to come up with a solution to make multicolored decks somewhat decent.
It also isn't pay 2 win, though you can pay real money for certain random cards every week.
So, I've been putting together a Standard Selesnya deck and thought I'd run it past you guys for some feedback.
The deck can be found here, and the card list is:
A couple of notes:
Basically, I like the idea of the Roaring Primadoxes (alongside the Bond Beetles, Forcemages, etc...) acting as a sort of support group to the larger, token-powered creatures. Weaknesses seem to be speed and defense against flyers.
Thoughts?
The deck can be found here, and the card list is:
A couple of notes:
- It's meant for casual play against a friend with access to a similar 'level' of cards.
- It's purposefully a budget deck, so there's no way I'm filling it with a handful of Voices.
- If it seems weird that I've only put one or two of a particular card in the deck, it's because I only own that many. As long as they're cheap, I'd be happy to buy more.
Basically, I like the idea of the Roaring Primadoxes (alongside the Bond Beetles, Forcemages, etc...) acting as a sort of support group to the larger, token-powered creatures. Weaknesses seem to be speed and defense against flyers.
Thoughts?
The Primadox can return itself to the players' hand if necessary, so, in playing the deck so far, I haven't ever had to return a countered/auraed creature to my hand. By the time the Primadox drops, I generally have a Visionary, Forcemage or Beetle out on the field.
Ahh, I hadn't thought of that. They can kill the Primadox between its upkeep cost triggering and me deciding which creature to return?
Looks like Vegas has been capped at 4500 people total, and they're capping online registers at 4400 (so at least 100 can join in-person). Just a high enough cap to beat the 4,364-person world record.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/06202013
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/06202013
Gotcha. My friend and I are just getting back into the game after stopping around the Mirage block. It's been a lot of work to figure out the semantics of a lot of the new mechanics and how they behave in regards to the stack and just timing in general. Lots to learn. Thanks.