GC is a trainwreck- just get singles. DGM is too, but in a different way. The set's actually incredible, but many of the cards won't shine until Innistrad rotates out. (Bye Cavern!) Also, it's been heavily opened, with an accidentally overpowered chase mythic (VoR) sucking up a lot of box value. So many good, cheap singles from the set.Thanks. My friend cracked a box of RtR, GC and DM boosters recently and loved the cards he pulled from RtR, but was sort of disappointed by GC and DM. I guess that's part of the reason why.
GC is a trainwreck- just get singles. DGM is too, but in a different way. The set's actually incredible, but many of the cards won't shine until Innistrad rotates out. (Bye Cavern!) Also, it's been heavily opened, with an accidentally overpowered chase mythic) sucking up a lot of box value.
They tried to aim the set at "Commander" players due to RTR generally being a "spiky" set. That was a mistake.Which mythic is that? Voice of Resurgence? I've just been buying singles from each of the sets as I need them (within my budget), but we're still trying to work through a lot of the cards from the set to figure out how we craft decks that fit our playstyle out of the new cards. What's the biggest flaw with GC?
I think the best set in the game's history is Return to Ravnica. I'm actually not sure what my favorite set is, though.
Death and Taxes using Mangara of Corondor.
Everything? lol Stuff is massively underpriced right now.RTR is definitely one of the best sets in the history of the game. Innistrad is close for me as well. I think my personal favorite was Invasion. I love the kicker mechanic.
Definitely agree that GTC was such a huge disappointment. Really shitty how RTR guilds got absurdly powerful cards that are even Legacy playable and the GTC guilds got shafted hard. What's worse is they didn't even try to even it out with DGM either. Blech.
On a sidenote since we're talking DGM, what singles do you think are good speculation targets after rotation? Blood Scrivener?
Everything? lol Stuff is massively underpriced right now.
That's just as silly as the whole anti-used games thing going on with game publishers these days. Supply and demand determines what prices the market will bear. If Wizards didn't want stores selling Modern Masters (or other limited-release products) for more than MSRP, then they should have printed more.Not really a fan of shops thinking like that though. Even my local walmarts had $4 innistrad packs well after the shops raised them to 5 or 6. I was pretty bummed when one local store was expecting regulars to pay $250 per box of MM when we all know he got them for less than $100. MSRP should be the max they sell anything at around release.
That's just as silly as the whole anti-used games thing going on with game publishers these days. Supply and demand determines what prices the market will bear. If Wizards didn't want stores selling Modern Masters (or other limited-release products) for more than MSRP, then they should have printed more.
If somehow, MSRP was enforced, all that would lead to is stores not selling Modern Masters at all and simply opening the boxes for singles. And even if stores did sell at MSRP, you'd just get speculators buying it all up to resell online.
There should be a mutual agreement that the players support the store and the store helps support the hobby. If the store goes for maximum dollars on stuff like this then why shouldn't the players just buy packs, singles, and supplies online?
Not sure what the anti-used games comment has to do with anything...
That card would have been amazing if it was in M13 or Avacyn Restored.
The problem with MM is simply that they once again underprinted their non-expansion release. At some point they need to realize that erring on the "over" side is just fine.There should be a mutual agreement that the players support the store and the store helps support the hobby. If the store goes for maximum dollars on stuff like this then why shouldn't the players just buy packs, singles, and supplies online?
Not sure what the anti-used games comment has to do with anything...
In the case of Modern Masters specifically, $250 a box isn't that different from online prices. Most places online were selling between $225 and $300 a box.There should be a mutual agreement that the players support the store and the store helps support the hobby. If the store goes for maximum dollars on stuff like this then why shouldn't the players just buy packs, singles, and supplies online?
Enforcing MSRP is an attempt to artificially regulate the market, just like disallowing used games.Not sure what the anti-used games comment has to do with anything...
I don't see anything wrong with either store in this situation. If people are willing to pay the higher prices, then what's the issue? Voting with your wallet is fine (and I'd likely do the same in your situation), but I don't really think pricing at what the market will bear warrants being called 'scumbags.' It's leisure product, after all. It's not like they're holding your medicine you need to live hostage behind a high price tag or anything so severe.Yeah around where I am there are only two stores. One of them is probably the biggest Magic LGS in Pennsylvania and the other is pretty small. The former was charging like 14 dollars for a pack of Modern Masters while the latter was only charging MSRP on them (limited to 3 per person though). Also the drafts at the former were 35 dollars while they were only 20 dollars at the latter.
I support them more for not being scumbags about it.
Took this out for a spin this afternoon. Only switch I made so far was putting in the Ash Zealots. Beat my friend's Legacy Mill deck, but it felt close. Took longer to ramp up than I cared for (didn't get a Mountain until turn 4) but against a mill deck I had plenty of life to spare so I'll definitely reconsider the shock lands. Half my deck was milled, but I got to a point where I had Tajic, two Boros Elites, a Firemane Avenger, a Legion Loyalist and Legion's Initiative enchantment and on the board and he was left with little to counter that so we called the game.Here's the Boros deck I want to try my hand at standard with:
http://www.mtgvault.com/francis/decks/boros-2/
I don't see anything wrong with either store in this situation. If people are willing to pay the higher prices, then what's the issue? Voting with your wallet is fine (and I'd likely do the same in your situation), but I don't really think pricing at what the market will bear warrants being called 'scumbags.' It's leisure product, after all. It's not like they're holding your medicine you need to live hostage behind a high price tag or anything so severe.
Yeah.Finally got to draft Modern Masters tonight. It was from a guy at the stores box so not for keeps but that was fine. Good lord that format is fun as hell. I wish we could just draft that for three months.
They don't learn and have once against underprinted pretty badly. Mythics in particular are going to be a real problem very soon.Yeah.
I only got to draft it twice before the supply ran out. It's such a tease.
Here's hoping that, via some miracle, a bunch more appear.
The trading system is so off. One place offered me one ticket for an M13 booster pack while another offered me 2.3 which just came out to two. I don't even know how much it's really worth.
Tarmogoyf, sadly, is about to explode.
Nice job printing it at Mythic.
Yeah, the best thing to do early is to kind of shop around a bit. There's usually kind of a consensus on stuff, with outliers usually in the direction that screws you. With the partial tickets thing, the bots keep track of who has a credit with them for the fractional part as a way to keep you coming back. So it's best to kind of stick with one bot system unless a particular price makes it worth branching out.
I very often find myself wishing there was some sort of real auctionhouse kind of thing, but no, just this sucky system
Tarmogoyf, sadly, is about to explode.
Nice job printing it at Mythic.
Tarmogoyf, sadly, is about to explode.
Nice job printing it at Mythic.
Is anyone running coverage of GP Las Vegas? I went to dailymtg and they had coverage of GP Bangkok.
I didn't even know there was a GP Bangkok this weekend.
I just dumped 400 last night. I sold my set for 280 (3 NM, 1 SP) a year ago, expecting it to be reprinted. Not that I'm blaming them for my decision (I'm clearly going to be able to make up the difference), but they needed to impact the price in such a way that it at least stemmed the bleeding. Goyf is NOT a mythic card. It's an overpowered vanilla dork that's terrible in casual formats.Sigh...am I really going to have to drop $500+ on a playset of goyfs? I feel like if I try to wait for prices to go down:
1. It won't happen anytime soon
2. There are tons (probably thousands) of other people with the same idea in mind
3. Not worth the wait
Need the Goyfs to finish my RG Aggro deck for Modern.
Edit: I heard there were around 4000-5000 players on Friday in Vegas just for side events? TO was expecting around 2000 or so lol.
Also heard that all the side events were lottery/raffle style and not first come, first serve (I'm not sure if this is true or not).
I just dumped 400 last night. I sold my set for 280 (3 NM, 1 SP) a year ago, expecting it to be reprinted. Not that I'm blaming them for my decision (I'm clearly going to be able to make up the difference), but they needed to impact the price in such a way that it at least stemmed the bleeding. Goyf is NOT a mythic card. It's an overpowered vanilla dork that's terrible in casual formats.
Sigh...am I really going to have to drop $500+ on a playset of goyfs? I feel like if I try to wait for prices to go down:
1. It won't happen anytime soon
2. There are tons (probably thousands) of other people with the same idea in mind
3. Not worth the wait
Need the Goyfs to finish my RG Aggro deck for Modern.
Edit: I heard there were around 4000-5000 players on Friday in Vegas just for side events? TO was expecting around 2000 or so lol.
Also heard that all the side events were lottery/raffle style and not first come, first serve (I'm not sure if this is true or not).
They bumped it to 150, lol.I'm probably going to bite the bullet on SCG tomorrow or on Monday only because I have enough store credit to justify not buying it cheaper from someplace else. It won't be reprinted any time soon and if it does drop in value, it won't go below $100 again ever so I won't lose too much I guess (barring a reprint obv).
The good thing is that in neither format do you actively need to play the card anymore. (I'm not sure he's even actually good in Legacy now.)It bothers me too. I was hoping to pick up 'Goyfs and Bobs for the first time so I could actually play with them. But Goyfs are going for as much as JTMS now. No, I'm out. Thanks Wizards. I'll just not play 'Goyf decks.
They bumped it to 150, lol.
I would choose between playing midrange or control and not try to mash both together.y2dvd said:Anyways, still new with the deck so any tips and recommendations would be appreciated!
It's not. Buy them on Ebay for 100-105 and get some duals instead- their prices are generally reasonable if not named Underground Sea.Yeah I know. I'm trying to convince myself that getting them at that price is somehow justifiable.
It's not. Buy them on Ebay for 100-105 and get some duals instead- their prices are generally reasonable if not named Underground Sea.
Ah, awkward. Yeah, I had to reach for it, but luckily I've got a stable time and no tournaments until M14, really.The former would be my option if I actually had any money left lol. I blew most of it making UWR for Modern.
They bumped it to 150, lol.
The good thing is that in neither format do you actively need to play the card anymore. (I'm not sure he's even actually good in Legacy now.)
Vegas stream is up now.http://www.twitch.tv/magic
"Grand Prix Las Vegas - Live coverage June 22-23"
Not sure when they're starting, I imagine it would be in another 4-5 hours.