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ZP is undercosted and a huge limited bomb.
Oh absolutely. But that is still a ton of mana.
Obviously the flexibility makes it more costly but I think 5 cmc would be fine. Probably.
Keru_Shiri
Member
Dragonshift:
Target creature you control becomes a 4/4 dragon until the end of turn
Overload
Holy balls if that's an Instant...
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Okay, see, I like dragon shift. That overload is just hilarious. Plus, it plays great with Nivix Cyclops, Electromancer, and Guttersnipe. Perfect casual deck right there
Yea it's instant.
Yea my super johnny friend is already brewing a way to do this with this guy in play:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, I was like "meh...wait, Overload? Bwahahahaha"
divisionbyzorro
Member
Dragonshift:
Instant
Target creature you control becomes a 4/4 dragon until the end of turn
Overload
Does that 4/4 dragon have flying?
Yea, the translations been updated. It's now restricted to creatures you control and they are flying.
They almost have to, don't they? Dragons without flying are just... well, 4/4 beasts
Dragonshift:
Instant
Target creature you control becomes a 4/4 dragon until the end of turn
Overload
Most likely grants flying as well. I'm really happy with the card, since it's an exciting card to overload. I wish it'd work with opposing creatures as well for the odd occasion of using it to "shrink" opposing beaters.
The elemental in Emmara's art almost meant it was a given she'd be creating them, and that theory does seem quite plausible. I wish they'd have just remade the card rather than switching cards and rarities around, but I guess they didn't have much time to change the ards and playtest them enough to make sure they worked.
I'd have liked the cards and rarities a lot better if they were like that, perhaps by switching the Advent for the Voice as mythic, since wurm tokens don't sound mythic to me, and Emmara could've costed 1 more to make sure she wouldn't get out of hand if she proved to be too powerful in playtesting. Instead, we get a lame guild champion and a chase mythic.
FieryBalrog
Member
This is exactly what I meant when I said on the previous page that more and more of a set is starting to feel like "pure Limited jank". Are good uncommons and commons no longer printable because of "Limited game balance"? What happened to Limited game balance for the 10 years before NWO, was that so awful that we had to stop printing good uncommons and commons?
Profit/Loss is hilarious after Zealous Persecution. Unlike many of the other fuse cards, you can't even pretend that you're paying more for flexibility, and yet the cost is somehow {4} more.
This is barely more flexible than ZP, only if you somehow want just one half of it (only have white mana say), which is a pretty un-spectacular effect for 2 mana let alone 3. You shouldn't run this card at all if you can't cast both halves, since the rate is terrible.
I was starting with the assumption that ZP is undercosted. Which it probably is.
So if you're going to cost the split card version you need to first determine what ZP would cost today (probably 4 CMC?) and then you need to add something to the fuse cost since it being a split card means it is more powerful due to the flexibility.
Yup.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yea my super johnny friend is already brewing a way to do this with this guy in play:
2 x Utvara
2 x Thundermaw
4 x Dragonshift
4 x Electromancer
4 x Guttersnipe
4 x Izzet Charm
4 x Mizzium
4 x Tin Street Denizen
4 x Legion Loyalist
2 x Mezzet
2 x Izzet Staticaster
lol
FieryBalrog
Member
What does this mean? This isn't Jace TMS undercosted, it's Incinerate undercosted. You know, when Incinerate was so overpowered that they had to use Volcanic Hammer as the standard in 9th edition. ZP is, in fact, in a really good place on the game's curve.
You know what's actually undercosted? Those garbage value-bomb cards they print in every set now (Thragtusk, Huntmaster of the Fells, Consecrated Sphinx, etc.) . Well, they're not really undercosted, since they shouldn't exist in this quantity at any price. This seems like such a weird thing to be focusing on.
why does ZP need to be at 4 CMC, it becomes like a medium draft pick that you will never look at again after that draft. Why does every card need to be a purely disposable card that is a mediocre Limited pick?
Already at 2 CMC it was primarily a standard staple card and obviously a great limited card.
Maro explains why Emmara is so bad:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/pos...-just-like-to-say-that-im-very-happy-that-you
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/pos...-just-like-to-say-that-im-very-happy-that-you
If you look at Orzhov Pontiff, it makes more sense. ZP feels a bit pushed to me, mostly since it absolutely wrecks X/1s while pumping up your whole team at once. That and it'd probably be pretty bonkers with Lingering Souls in standard, even if it didn't nuke the opposing team if they had that +1/+1 and viligiglance-granting enchantment.
Still, I think Profit//Loss could've been something different rather than a bland design where the two modes don't even synergize together in any interesting way. Even more so since Orzhov doesn't seem like a guild that cares about overwhelming you with a swarm of creatures.
Oh, so in the end the Emmara swap thing was exactly like that image said. It's quite disappointing, really.
Ready//Willing sounds versatile and sort of good (protects from control's sweepers and lets you gain an edge in the damage race against aggro), Protect//Serve is ridiculously bad for an uncommon, and Down/Dirty looks kind of bad (at least Dirty is a functional reprint of Recollect from the original Ravnica block, but the discard 2 por 3B part...).
Still, I think Profit//Loss could've been something different rather than a bland design where the two modes don't even synergize together in any interesting way. Even more so since Orzhov doesn't seem like a guild that cares about overwhelming you with a swarm of creatures.
Oh, so in the end the Emmara swap thing was exactly like that image said. It's quite disappointing, really.
Ready//Willing sounds versatile and sort of good (protects from control's sweepers and lets you gain an edge in the damage race against aggro), Protect//Serve is ridiculously bad for an uncommon, and Down/Dirty looks kind of bad (at least Dirty is a functional reprint of Recollect from the original Ravnica block, but the discard 2 por 3B part...).
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
They should cut an M14 rare and errata this one out of existence
FieryBalrog
Member
There was a lot of massaging of both cards? what?
I don't understand, it takes literally 5 minutes to make a throwaway rare that's better than Emmara. (see, uh, Giant Adephage, or literally every equivalent bargain Timmy rare from the past few sets).
And at 7 mana, we're not exactly talking a Jitte/Skullclamp level mistake being possible here. Even if they were ludicrously scared of a possible mistake, why didn't the "we better play it 300% safe on a last minute change" apply to Voice of Resurgence, which is... a 2 mana card that will actually be relevant for formats?
Whatever, it's at least easier to ignore an awful design that is terrible, than it is to ignore an awful design that is overpowered.
Keru_Shiri
Member
Emmara is essentially the new Archangel's Light.
But these last few already felt that way
EVEN MORE TOKENS.
The token slot pushes them to make (way too many) more token cards.
I feel like it's a way to appease people who like to swing with ALLOFTHECREATURES without undercosting real permanents even more than they are.
I think comparing each side, individually, to Glorious Charge and Cower in Fear, respectively makes a little more sense.
No one cares about Dimir though, while Selesnya is everyone's favorite guild.
His ability at least is splashy and exciting for someone somewhere. Johnny Milldeck is pumped to repeatedly mind grind for 4.
Azorius for the first cause they're my guild. If I could pick my ally it'd be Orzhov to go Esper.
Dunno for the second. The Spike choice is probably trying to get Boros/Rakdos to run everyone over.
Yea but for that he should be unblockable or something.
Trying to "fix" the cards made a mess.
Taking the selesnya guild pack at the prerelease. I've got a fifty fifty chance of being able to go naya in what looks like a slow format, and what looks like a lot of mana fixing. It seems correct to take midrangey colors, but azorius could get you locked in esper, which seems.... Okay I guess.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
My blackened, cold heart says Dimir (fak u Haly) but I'm going to go Orzhov, because I win tons of games that way.
I'm thinking about going Golgari for one (since I'd dodge getting Boros, which I despise, as my allied guild) and... some other guild for the second event. Simic could work, since that'd dodge Rakdos (another guild I don't like).
The guild pack rares are sort of schewed towards some guilds more than others, which is another reason to make me second-guess my primary guild choice.
The guild pack rares are sort of schewed towards some guilds more than others, which is another reason to make me second-guess my primary guild choice.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Oh, wait, two?
Golgari/Dimir is my choice if I'm feeling like just playing to have a good time.
Orzhov/Golgari if I want to win.
Golgari/Dimir is my choice if I'm feeling like just playing to have a good time.
Orzhov/Golgari if I want to win.
You pick one and get a random partner guild
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I really wanted Dimir to be great. WOTC has been consistently hating on control, right? I've been wanting to make a mill deck and cipher could've been neat with a bunch of the unblockable rogues and invisible stalkers but the ciphers all costed too much. It just feels like they're afraid with aggressively costing Dimir while every other guild has a fair amount of good playables. Or am I just crazy and this isn't the case at all. Again, I've been wanting to make like a BUG or UB deck for a while now but there isn't a lot for me to work with?
Edit: I'll probably end up picking Golgari as my main guild (like I did for the RTR prerelease) and shooting for orzhov as a secondary. Maybe Orzhov and hoping for golgari.
Edit: I'll probably end up picking Golgari as my main guild (like I did for the RTR prerelease) and shooting for orzhov as a secondary. Maybe Orzhov and hoping for golgari.
FieryBalrog
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You can't really expect Cipher to be a standard powerhouse, as very few of the guild mechanics show up on Standard staple cards.
It's not like populate or scavenge is particularly compelling in that regard. Despite that, Golgari was still the favored child of this block. Azorius in close second.
It's not like populate or scavenge is particularly compelling in that regard. Despite that, Golgari was still the favored child of this block. Azorius in close second.
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