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Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
When do you have 3 different colors available when digging for lands, what if the top 3 cards in the library aren't lands?
Even in decks that can support the converge you shouldn't underestimate the costs of having to pay 3 different colored mana.
Rudimental
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Is this possible or a mistake? I haven't played any non-PC MTG since, hmm, probably Mercadian Masques (ugh) except for one Onslaught booster draft (great fun). Are there now ways to spend 5 different colours of mana on a 4 CMC creature? Do you get lands that you can tap for dual-mana like those weird split-mana symbols on spells or something?
Also, MTG looks fucking weird these days, 'old man yells at cloud', etc...
Draw 2 is not great at 3CMC, even with Scry 2. It gives you a net advantage of one card, with limited control over which cards you might get. If a deck can achieve to produce three different mana at T3 with sufficient regularity, PT seems the better choice. Then again, I'm not sure if the card is in any way playable in formats where this is easy enough to achieve.
Rudimental
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I thought the previous mention of her, when Sorin and Ugin were talking, implied that Sorin had done something to her and/or for her that Ugin might not like. Whether she was Vamp'd or whatever.
Also, hold up a second. When Ugin and Bolas fought last in Fate Reforged, they were both old walkers right? And then Ugin took the long nap in the crazy hedron grave and woke up, and he's a neowalker now, right? And he didn't notice or remark on this change in his power and nature? Unless I'm misremembering?
Too advanced for my 20th century MTG brain.
That card is even more than ten years old.
acheron_xl
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I wish they'd reprint this, just so there's a version with colored mana symbols in the text box.
Got excited for Horribly Awry, then read it again and realized it only counters creature spells. Lame. I do love my counters.
Tried out the new MTGO Legacy cube list last night, pretty nice update. I guess they got rid of the vampires. Started drafting R/G/W then found a Force of Will on pick 5 or 6 somehow. Ended up making a UR control deck with some fun stuff. Consecrated Sphinx is too good.
Tried out the new MTGO Legacy cube list last night, pretty nice update. I guess they got rid of the vampires. Started drafting R/G/W then found a Force of Will on pick 5 or 6 somehow. Ended up making a UR control deck with some fun stuff. Consecrated Sphinx is too good.
acheron_xl
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It'd be a great reprint for BFZ. Doesn't fit in the number crunch though
Mechanically, sure, but it's too Mirrodin-flavored. Same with sunburst.
I'd like them to do something clever like that, but that seems like a neat Rosewater card, not something that would've been conjured up by the less creative development team.
Did not realise this was a thing. Kinda want one for my 5 colour deck now.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Too advanced for my 20th century MTG brain.
Goes particularly well with
Mirrodin was the block I got really invested in with magic so I know almost all the cards
Haha, I do love LSV cracking jokes about vampires in his recent MOCS legacy cube draft recording session. "They're all high-powered cards, well, with the exception of these." *hovers mouse above vampires*
I'm sad Stromkirk Noble is leaving. Such a beating especially if the opponent isn't doing anything. Goblin Glory Chaser is so much worse. Exquisite Firecraft and Abbot of Keral Keep are sweet additions though..
Dark Depths and Thespian Stage are in the cube now. And Hexmage didn't leave the cube. Kreygasm
Get it when you can at its current price. Sometimes it spikes and then comes back down, but one of these times it's going to spike and stay up.
The king of our Type 4 stack
Rudimental
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Well, shit. I didn't think it had been that long, but it is about 13 years since I last played with actual cards.
I had to read up the rules on regeneration after playing Magic Duels Origins and being like, "Why did my guy go to the graveyard? Why didn't it let me regenerate him?" Damn kids with their fancy new rules.
Shuggananas
Banned
Don't you have to, like, preemptively regenerate now ? I'm kind of out of the loop tbh too, stopped playing around ravnica block (basically before going to high school) and just recently picked up again
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
did it die due to damage or to a -/- effect? Don't think regeneration rules changed just generally when damage and stuff is applied
I originally misremembered what the card said and it's base p/t. It is possible to pay for it with 5 colors if you have something that can make creature spells cost 1 colorless more like grand arbiter.
Oh right. Forgot about those.
Rudimental
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It died due to damage from blocking. Regeneration used to be something you could only do after a creature had been dealt lethal damage or a destruction spell had resolved, as I remembered it.
This was another confusing thing, but I looked up the change to regeneration and my problem was with an older change. No more bouncing your own guy back to your hand after assigning damage, though
.Ah, thanks. Learned some new stuff. Feel so old, though.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's potentially marginally better in a small number of situations where you've got three different colors of mana available, you don't need to hold any of those colors up, and you've got several cards that you're looking to draw into rather than just a single answer. Read the Bones might not draw you three cards immediately but between drawing 2 and Scry 2 you're able to shape your subsequent draws to much better effect. Scrying two isn't a draw but because you're able to ship away cards to the bottom of your deck that you wouldn't want or reorder the top of your deck for better play it can be just as effective. By scrying cards to the bottom of your deck you can effectively "skip" dead draws. Also, it's a rare when Read the Bones is a common in Origins, for multicolored draw we've got Abzan Charm (with more options), and UBx Control has access to Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time. No way is that card a Rare.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Why not dream bigger?
Needs satyr wayfinders tho
just a worse tooth and nails
Tooth and nail costs a million mana. See the Unwritten also fills your graveyard, which is great.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I think by the time of their fight the mending had already happened, it was only 1000 years ago and we're past that now for "how long its been since Time Spiral"
Plus the whole "old/new planeswalker" think is something Wizards doesn't really want to acknowledge
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah there's a reason they're phasing regeneration out of the game
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
There was a point my friends and I believed regeneration always tapped.
Putting the effect into a Core set doesn't make it look like it's phasing out though. Not like Fear and Intimidate
"God's Beard!"
Member
The problem with damage on the stack was that although it's a fun interaction, it's both unintuitive for new players and actually reduced the depth of the game.This was another confusing thing, but I looked up the change to regeneration and my problem was with an older change. No more bouncing your own guy back to your hand after assigning damage, though
When damage is on the stack and your creature trades with their creature but you have a sac/blink effect like Mogg Fanatic, the play was to sac or blink your creature 100% of the time to get extra value. Now that damage doesn't go on the stack, there are more tactical decisions to make. Kill your attacker or get the sac effect? It makes for better gameplay.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The filtering along makes Read the Bones a better choice. Conditional card advantage isn't always king.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
w-why?
had to be the first set they ever played with right?
They were both old walkers at the time. THey mentioned it in the story panel for Fate Reforged and in several articles and/or blog posts and/or videos.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Wasteland Strangler appears to be an Emrakul spawn.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I like those Retreats a lot
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Of all of them
I like White, Black and Blue, red and green is meh, red more so than green
I do have a casual Landfall Moonfolk deck. Pretty broken with
I like White, Black and Blue, red and green is meh, red more so than green
I do have a casual Landfall Moonfolk deck. Pretty broken with
FreedomFrisbee
Member
I want to say its only been 400 years since time spiral. Explicitly stated by the story team at some point. Venser is your anchor here, he didn't become a walker till after time spiral and was still young when he died.
and now we know why fetches probably wont be in OGW either, because the retreats plus fetches are dirty pool
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