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Ya, drafting/sealed is all I'm doing. I just play standard since I get a card just for participating and just use what I get from my sealed/drafted boosters. It kind of sucks since 2 people have Jace decks at the comic shop so they placed 1st and 2nd. This Paris tournament is kind of boring also from all the Jace decks but I think they said there is also a drafting game they're going to show which should be cool.

Edit: Apparently no draft streaming, guess I misheard. :/
 
So I just bought a deck builders box and three mirrodin besieged booster packs. Can I just make a deck with these or do I need to use more recent cards to play in Standard or Drafted?

I really would have liked to play in the League they have going on right now, but im not too confident yet.
 
alternade said:
So I just bought a deck builders box and three mirrodin besieged booster packs. Can I just make a deck with these or do I need to use more recent cards to play in Standard or Drafted?

I really would have liked to play in the League they have going on right now, but im not too confident yet.
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Mirrodin Besieged is the current set. Currently legal are the sets called Zendikar, Worldwake, Rise of the Eldrazi, Magic 2011, Scars of Mirrodin and Mirrodin Besieged. The current toolkits pull from Zendikar, Worldwake, and Eldrazi, so anything you build with them will be good for Standard up through next September.
However, some of the cards might be from Magic 2010. They might be legal if they were reprinted in 2011, they might not. You would have to check if you want to play tournament Standard. Don't worry about Standard too much in your day to day play though; just ask your opponent what they're playing. A lot of people play "casual" around the hobby-shop table unless its a dedicated Standard event.

Limited format means draft or sealed, where players open new packs at the event and build on the spot.
 
alternade said:
So I just bought a deck builders box and three mirrodin besieged booster packs. Can I just make a deck with these or do I need to use more recent cards to play in Standard or Drafted?

I really would have liked to play in the League they have going on right now, but im not too confident yet.
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No, you can play with that for standard. Just remember not all M10 cards were reprinted for M11 so they may not be legal since they are not in the current block so just double check. Also be mindful that your cards are probably not so good so you probably will get your ass handed to you in a standard tournament. Booster draft you open new packs and use not cards you already own. I think Techno explained it in the OP. Also, remember standard is a 60 card minimum deck where as something like drafted is only 40 due to the amount of cards you can use.

Edit: Fuck you Techno! :P
 
alternade said:
So if it has the "m10" emblem it cant be used?
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It only can't be used if it wasn't reprinted in one of the current sets, zendikar, worldwake, etc., etc. As long as it was reprinted in one of the sets that makes up standard right now it's fine. Just like I can use a Llanowar elves I have from the fifth edition because he was reprinted in M11 which is in standard. Just google the name of the card and it will show every set it was in.
 
alternade said:
So if it has the "m10" emblem it cant be used?
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As long as it shows up in the current sets used in type 2 it can. For example, Lightining Bolt is in 2010 and 2011 so you can play a 2010 Lightning Bolt in Standard (Type 2 ) play.

Edit: Beaten :(
 
Ok, so i've made one deck so far. It all green and mana heavy to work with with Howl of the Night Pack, Timbermaw Larva, and Ulamogs Crusher. Really wish I had a couple Blanchwood Armors though.

I think ill work on a red/white deck next.
 
I played my first game(s) of magic today with me roommate and had a revelation. I play yu gi oh with my girlfriends little sister sometimes, so today I realized that it's essentially a less fun rip off of magic. Never knew!

Anyway, I won two games with two different decks, so that was pretty satisfying. Poison owns.
 
leroidys said:
I played my first game(s) of magic today with me roommate and had a revelation. I play yu gi oh with my girlfriends little sister sometimes, so today I realized that it's essentially a less fun rip off of magic. Never knew!

Anyway, I won two games with two different decks, so that was pretty satisfying. Poison owns.
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Exactly! What two deck styles did you use? One poison obviously.
 
Two questions to the die hard:
- is there a comprehensible list of all the MtG books somewhere to be found?
- is there a book as good as the first, "Arena"?
 
quick question as i may have forgotten, but when can you use an instant during the attack phase?

if my opponent decides not to block me, can i play an instant like giant growth then attack? or would i have to play it when i declare my attackers?
 
effingvic said:
quick question as i may have forgotten, but when can you use an instant during the attack phase?

if my opponent decides not to block me, can i play an instant like giant growth then attack? or would i have to play it when i declare my attackers?
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You can declare an attack
//option for instants
declare who is attacking
//option for instants
declare who is blocking
//option for instants
damage dealt/abilities (like lifelink)
//option for instants before combat ends

This is from memory of actual combat, I havent looked at the Comp Rules in a few years so the timing may be slightly different, but these are all legal times to do it. So yes, you have the option to play Giant Growth after they declare blockers but before damage is dealt (not to be confused with how things used to be, where you could do stuff with damage on the stack. God I miss that).
 
An-Det covered it, but yes you will have a chance to cast instants after your opponent declares blockers.

Anyone watch the PT Paris matches? I was lucky to buy and flip some Stoneforge Mystics after day 1 results.

Who knew the best combo in standard would be Squadron Hawk + Jace?
 
suffah said:
An-Det covered it, but yes you will have a chance to cast instants after your opponent declares blockers.

Anyone watch the PT Paris matches? I was lucky to buy and flip some Stoneforge Mystics after day 1 results.

Who knew the best combo in standard would be Squadron Hawk + Jace?
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SM's look like they've risen a bit, I'll have to check out the results. I take it they dominated the event?
 
effingvic said:
quick question as i may have forgotten, but when can you use an instant during the attack phase?

if my opponent decides not to block me, can i play an instant like giant growth then attack? or would i have to play it when i declare my attackers?
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You can play an instant at any point, so yes you can do what you described. In fact it is a large part of strategy to decide when to use an instant. Combat especially since if you for instance kill a creature with an instant after it is declared as a blocker, it has still blocked tthe creature it was assigned to. That is why the rules state you have to audibly declare your intentions to attack before you actually attack. It gives both your opponent and yourself the chance to either protect or kill creatures before blockers are declared.
In your scenario, if you declared attacks and I said "no blocks" and then you threw a giant growth on your creature, I wouldn't be able to change my mind and block it, however I would be able to cast an instant of my own to kill it or maim it.

The only other aspect to casting instants is "priority" which as far as I can tell is a fancy way of saying "gotta let the active player respond." Most of the time you follow priority without even thinking about it, I have only heard priority called up as an issue two or three times, and always during multiplayer games.

Also, nothing is faster than playing a land. You can't "interrupt" a player playing his land for the turn with an instant.


I sold three Tezzerets for 80 bucks a day before they jumped up in price a good ten bucks. Goddamnit. I should have payed attention to the fact the PT in Paris was this weekend and that a tezzie deck was being run. Oh well.
 
suffah said:
Mystic was in 7 of 8 decklists from the Top 8. They're going for around $20 now and sold out from most vendors, it's nuts.

Here's a link to the top constructed decklists: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazi...y/eventcoverage/ptpar11/decklists/topstandard
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Damn, that's a lot of Mystics. Definitely a great card though, glad it'll be on top for at least a while until it rotates, I really like the thing.

Checking those decklists, it seems like there was a lot more control at the top. Dare I say, those lists almost look fun to play. Naoki Nakada's 28-point list (and those like it) especially, almost reminds me of playing 4C a few years back, which was a hell of a lot of fun.
 
An-Det said:
Damn, that's a lot of Mystics. Definitely a great card though, glad it'll be on top for at least a while until it rotates, I really like the thing.

Checking those decklists, it seems like there was a lot more control at the top. Dare I say, those lists almost look fun to play. Naoki Nakada's 28-point list (and those like it) especially, almost reminds me of playing 4C a few years back, which was a hell of a lot of fun.
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Yea, it's amazing to see the change from GP Atlanta just a month ago.

The new MBS sword is killer in control, it feels like a time walk.
 
Bought 12 packs over the weekend, and did a 2/1 Besieged/Scars draft.

Pulled 1 mythic from drafting, a Massacre Wurm. Buddy pulled a Blightsteel Colossus.

Didn't get any money rares besides another Black Sun's Zenith and one Mirran Crusader. Terrible luck. :(
 
Takuan said:
Bought 12 packs over the weekend, and did a 2/1 Besieged/Scars draft.

Pulled 1 mythic from drafting, a Massacre Wurm. Buddy pulled a Blightsteel Colossus.

Didn't get any money rares besides another Black Sun's Zenith and one Mirran Crusader. Terrible luck. :(
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My girl and I split about two boxes worth of cards and sat there opening them all side by side. By the end she had two Thruns, two Blightsteels, and two Tezzerets. Plus a foil hero of bladehold, and a foil go for the throat.
I go some decent stuff myself but her haul was ridiculous, the lucky twat.
 
siddx said:
My girl and I split about two boxes worth of cards and sat there opening them all side by side. By the end she had two Thruns, two Blightsteels, and two Tezzerets. Plus a foil hero of bladehold, and a foil go for the throat.
I go some decent stuff myself but her haul was ridiculous, the lucky twat.
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If that were me, I'd have to invoke the "what's yours is mine" rule.
 
thanks for clearing that up guys, i thought i was cheating or something :D

okay i want to make a cat deck just cause i like cats. problem is, there are a few themes i can make with it but i cant decide on which one.

i can go the life gain route or the artifact/battle cry route. there arent any cats with battle cry but maybe i could mix some other cards in there? i wish raksha was brought back for M11 or something similar to that. i also wish i could have made use of my jareths :(

here is what i have so far from a bunch of random C/U besieged/scars/M11 cards for this deck:

4 x leonin skyhunter
4 x silvercoat lion
4 x leonin rec-warder

for a life gain deck, i thought of adding these following cards:

- ajani's mantra
- ajani's pridemate
- felidar sovereign
- kemba's skyguard
- the big cat himself, ajani goldmane

now if i wanted to go mass kitties/battle cry, i would have to add in some artifacts. id put something like these dudes:

- kemba, kha regent
- sunspear shikari
- kemba's legion
+ some cards with battle cry

however, since i absolutely hate artifacts, im not sure what kind of equip artifacts would be good so id love some suggestions. i can also add in scythe tiger and loam lion but im not sure if i want to add in any forests, since mono white will be easier mana wise.

i also thought about adding some steppe lynx' plus seize the initiatives, holy strengths and/or numbus wings for buffs. however, im not sure if theyd be worth it. i feel weird having a deck without any 1 mana creatures however.

its a fairly simple get-tons-of-cats-out-and-buff-them-and-overwhelm. i can also combine the two types but i fear that ill just have an unorganized bunch of cards that dont do well with either strategies. what do you guys think? id love some suggestions, replacements, ideas, etc.
 
The_Technomancer said:
Exactly! What two deck styles did you use? One poison obviously.
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My roommate got a box of the new set I think, or maybe they were just starter decks, but either way it was 100% cards from the new set which was kind of fun and probably a lot easier for me to learn that way. One was black/blue with a focus on poison the other one was blue/green with a bunch of powerful monsters.
 
I'd recommend a white sun's zenith since it dumps a bunch of cats on the board.
Also have some removal, perhaps run at least one or two day of judgements in case you get overrun yourself. And some pacifisms and/or condemns.

Equipment wise, Basilisk collar and The Swords would be ideal. Expensive though so other than that, most of the other equipment for standard is pretty meh.

You could throw some honor of the pure in there. And although you want to stick with cats, both the mirran crusader and hero of bladehold are excellent white weenie creatures. Crusader especially with all the infect going on in standard.

If you do go lifegain, I'd recommend elixir of immortality, you gain 5 plus get to shuffle your graveyard back into your deck.
 
Hmm, Can't decide wether to try out a type 2 constructed this thursday or a draft at Friday night magic. Which would be more noob friendly?

I was thinking type 2 would be better because i can research how to play all my cards before hand.
 
hoverX said:
Hmm, Can't decide wether to try out a type 2 constructed this thursday or a draft at Friday night magic. Which would be more noob friendly?

I was thinking type 2 would be better because i can research how to play all my cards before hand.
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I would think draft. Standard you need your own cards and will probably get wrecked by people who buy shit tons of cards. Draft you at least have a shot since it is a relatively even playing field.

Also, I may just be stupid but what does squadron hawk do that is so great for Jace?

And I finally found some of my old magic cards and I didn't realize how additcted to yugioh I was. I must have like over 3000 cards easy. lol
 
hoverX said:
Hmm, Can't decide wether to try out a type 2 constructed this thursday or a draft at Friday night magic. Which would be more noob friendly?

I was thinking type 2 would be better because i can research how to play all my cards before hand.
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Draft will be more noob friendly. Unless its a small group of nobodies, people are going to be playing decks that will likely wipe you out in type 2.
A draft on the other hand gives everyone an equal chance as far as deck goes. Especially if it's a sealed draft. You still might run into someone who is just a damn good limited player but you aren't faced with having to pay against guys with 500 hundred dollars with of cards in their decks.
 
So basically what you are saying is that unless i'm ready to invest a large sum of money into Magic there is no point in playing Type 2. Do most people only play Draft?
 
hoverX said:
So basically what you are saying is that unless i'm ready to invest a large sum of money into Magic there is no point in playing Type 2. Do most people only play Draft?
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I can't speak for others, but most people I play with don't play in sanctioned events with hyper competitive type 2 decks so much as just "hang out, have a good time, play whatever".
 
hoverX said:
So basically what you are saying is that unless i'm ready to invest a large sum of money into Magic there is no point in playing Type 2. Do most people only play Draft?
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It wasn't always that way, but Jace has made type 2 expensive. Some of the top players are constantly trying to craft decks that make Jace not so dominating, but so far results are mixed at best. There are a few decks that are competitive, but many of those have some fairly expensive cards as well like vengevine.

Every so often something like this happens. A card dominates, rises in price, and makes type 2 expensive and narrow. But to honest, playing competitive magic outside of drafting is expensive in general. There is a profit to me made in MTG, and therefor casual players are at the mercy of the more aggressive players who either make money trading and selling cards, or by playing in big tournaments.

But yes as Tecnomancer said, if you can find a group of people who play casually, you can have a fun time in type 2 without a tier 1 deck.
 
hoverX said:
So basically what you are saying is that unless i'm ready to invest a large sum of money into Magic there is no point in playing Type 2. Do most people only play Draft?
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I bring silly jank and do well when I play Type 2, even against competitive players running competitive decks. If I tested more my jank would do even better with tweaks.

If you want to win a PTQ or some kind of 5K, yes, having all the cards available to you and playing a well-tested, proven deck is usually very advantageous. However, a huge majority of MTG players don't play at that level and you don't have to either to enjoy the game. If you do decide you want to compete at that level, make some friends and borrow cards, it's not that hard.

Online is honestly even easier since you can just avoid mythics and rares are dirt cheap online since there's so much drafting compared to paper. You can 3-1 a daily with a good, cheap deck you know well.
 
siddx said:
It wasn't always that way, but Jace has made type 2 expensive. Some of the top players are constantly trying to craft decks that make Jace not so dominating, but so far results are mixed at best. There are a few decks that are competitive, but many of those have some fairly expensive cards as well like vengevine.

Every so often something like this happens. A card dominates, rises in price, and makes type 2 expensive and narrow. But to honest, playing competitive magic outside of drafting is expensive in general. There is a profit to me made in MTG, and therefor casual players are at the mercy of the more aggressive players who either make money trading and selling cards, or by playing in big tournaments.

But yes as Tecnomancer said, if you can find a group of people who play casually, you can have a fun time in type 2 without a tier 1 deck.
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T2 has always been expensive.

*looks up Jace's price on blackborder*

WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!? When does Worldwake rotate out of Standard? That's when I'll be getting back into competitive Magic.
 
Akim said:
blame mythic rares...when I was playing competitive type 2, the most expensive card was 25 bucks.
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Yeah, I was used to paying $20 for a Spiritmonger or Pernicious Deed. $100+ for one card that isn't from Alpha or something is redonkulous.
 
WanderingWind said:
Can somebody explain the Jace thing? Isn't he the blue wizard from the XBLA/Steam game?
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There are two jaces. Boring Jace and Awesome Jace. Awesome Jace goes for 100 bucks. It also is run in a very large percentage of type 2 (and some legacy decks as well). It's just a very powerful card.
 
Spire said:
T2 has always been expensive.

*looks up Jace's price on blackborder*

WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!? When does Worldwake rotate out of Standard? That's when I'll be getting back into competitive Magic.
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Pretty much. I CAN'T WAIT for worldwake to rotate out.

Edit: Lol, I like how siddx doesn't even link to boring jace. So true.
 
leroidys said:
I played my first game(s) of magic today with me roommate and had a revelation. I play yu gi oh with my girlfriends little sister sometimes, so today I realized that it's essentially a less fun rip off of magic. Never knew!

Anyway, I won two games with two different decks, so that was pretty satisfying. Poison owns.
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When I stopped playing Magic years ago I ended up getting into Yu-Gi-Oh. I liked that it was essentially a faster Magic, no resources except for sacrificing creatures to get a 5+* creature out and the playfield being smaller so you are forced to fight to clear space. Biggest complaint was that it was geared to kids so much it was hard to find 'real' people to play.
 
It's basically a 'player' on your side of the battlefield. Your opponent can chose to attack it and you can block with your creatures. They have Loyalty Points instead of Life Points and have pretty powerful effects that can be used once a turn, changing the amount of loyalty points on them (+/-)

I think they are pretty cool, except for the Mindsculpter bitch
until I get one
 
WanderingWind said:
WTF is a Planeswalker card? Holy crap. I mean, I know I stopped at Ice Age, but what the hell!
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Each turn you get to use one of their abilities, which changes the "Loyalty" number in the corner. In addition, they can be Bolted/direct damaged, and your opponent can aim attacks at them, in which case you block with your own creatures.
 
WanderingWind said:
WTF is a Planeswalker card? Holy crap. I mean, I know I stopped at Ice Age, but what the hell!
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Think an enchantment with a turn counter, and you're halfway there. IIRC, hitting 0 wipes them out, doesn't it?

They aren't in DotP, so don't worry about it too much. But they are given away with that promo they did this year with DotP.
 
WanderingWind said:
WTF is a Planeswalker card? Holy crap. I mean, I know I stopped at Ice Age, but what the hell!
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It's essentially you calling on an ally (since technically, as dorky as it sounds, you are a planeswalker yourself) to help. They can't attack or block, only use the abilities on the front of the card. The numbers next to the abilities either add or remove counters. And damage removes counters. Once it gets to zero it goes to the graveyard. You can use the abilities as soon as you cast it too. Some planeswalkers are pretty god damn overpowered. Jace is the most expensive because magic dorks love blue control. I think it's due to their complete lack of power in real world settings. They relish the chance to be in control for once.

edit: beaten like a cheap whore
 
Man. The game has changed. Still fun, but I think I'll be playing casual with my friends/wife for the foreseeable future. I mean, back in my day, the Black Lotus card was as hax as it got. Now, that card looks positively nerfed in comparison to some of this stuff.
 
siddx said:
It's essentially you calling on an ally (since technically, as dorky as it sounds, you are a planeswalker yourself) to help. They can't attack or block, only use the abilities on the front of the card. The numbers next to the abilities either add or remove counters. And damage removes counters. Once it gets to zero it goes to the graveyard. You can use the abilities as soon as you cast it too. Some planeswalkers are pretty god damn overpowered. Jace is the most expensive because magic dorks love blue control. I think it's due to their complete lack of power in real world settings. They relish the chance to be in control for once.
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I looked at "Awesome Jace" you linked and went "Wizards lost their damn mind."

How the hell do you give deck rebuilding properties like that to just one card? WTF. :/

I now need to see "Boring Jace" in comparison.
 
WanderingWind said:
Man. The game has changed. Still fun, but I think I'll be playing casual with my friends/wife for the foreseeable future. I mean, back in my day, the Black Lotus card was as hax as it got. Now, that card looks positively nerfed in comparison to some of this stuff.
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The game does look a lot more powerful, but appearances can be deceiving. The best Vinatge and Legacy decks still run a ton of stuff from the first six or seven years of the game. Uber-Jace is so broken though. Ponder+ every turn if you want it, on top of some other stupidly good stuff.

EDIT: TheSeks:
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Anyone know a good Magic podcast? I listened to a couple and its just play by play of matches and its boring as fuck.
 
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