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[WanderingWind]

Got that Omnath and Upwelling. I then bought one of those new toolkits and pulled a Sword of Feast or Famine. Going to trade it back for another one.

The cycle continues.

EDIT: I traded that sword for 6 packs and a Sorin. Got a Grave Titan and another Sword out of the packs.

And the Wheel turns.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Got that Omnath and Upwelling. I then bought one of those new toolkits and pulled a Sword of Feast or Famine. Going to trade it back for another one.

The cycle continues.

EDIT: I traded that sword for 6 packs and a Sorin. Got a Grave Titan and another Sword out of the packs.

And the Wheel turns.

Nice!

 

[WanderingWind]

I had to get the Sorin, as the missus pulled her Elspeth and destroyed my face. Again.

Wait. Wait, can fireballs target Planeswalkers?

 

[Akim]

Ugh...got 10th at the Seattle PTQ. Barely missed out on top8.

 

[Takuan]

Got that Omnath and Upwelling. I then bought one of those new toolkits and pulled a Sword of Feast or Famine. Going to trade it back for another one.

The cycle continues.

EDIT: I traded that sword for 6 packs and a Sorin. Got a Grave Titan and another Sword out of the packs.

And the Wheel turns.

I had to get the Sorin, as the missus pulled her Elspeth and destroyed my face. Again.

Wait. Wait, can fireballs target Planeswalkers?

Great pulls. I need that sword for a caw-blade deck, though I'm not sure if I'll go that route. Currently more interested in making some kind of infect-control deck now that I have a buncha inkmoth nexuses and tezz.

I don't know if you're serious about the planeswalker question, but yeah, fireballs can target 'em.

 

[alternade]

They are having a rares only draft today. Its $30. Wonder if I should go. Also found a shop that does EDH. Definitely gonna try it out.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Does anyone know in Two Headed Giant if my creature has forest walk and only one opponent has a forest, does he only have forestwalk against one opponent or both since they're a team?

 

[An-Det]

It would be unblockable, as per rule 810.7b.

810.7b Any one-shot effect that refers to the "defending player" refers to one specific defending player, not to both of the defending players. The controller of the effect chooses which one the spell or ability refers to at the time the effect is applied. The same is true for any one-shot effect that refers to the "attacking player."
Any characteristic-defining ability that refers to the "defending player" refers to one specific defending player, not to both of the defending players. The controller of the object with the characteristic-defining ability chooses which one the ability refers to at the time the nonactive players become defending players.
All other cases in which the "defending player" is referred to actually refer to both defending players. If the reference involves a positive comparison (such as asking whether the defending player controls an Island) or a relative comparison (such as asking whether you control more creatures than the defending player), it gets only one answer. This answer is "yes" if either defending player in the comparison would return a "yes" answer if compared individually. If the reference involves a negative comparison (such as asking whether the defending player controls no black permanents), it also gets only one answer. This answer is "yes" if performing the analogous positive comparison would return a "no" answer. The same is true for all other cases that refer to the "attacking player."

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

:O! We should have won yesterday then!

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

:lol Did the draft simulator again and I pulled green sun's zenith, thrun, and putrefax as my 3 rares. That shit is so unrealistic. :lol

 

[suffah]

Ugh...got 10th at the Seattle PTQ. Barely missed out on top8.

10th is still nice, grats.

I had to get the Sorin, as the missus pulled her Elspeth and destroyed my face. Again.

Wait. Wait, can fireballs target Planeswalkers?

When you declare attackers, spells that do damage, etc, you can choose to redirect damage to their PW. So yes, you can you can fireball your wife and redirect the damage to remove loyalty counters from Elspeth.

 

[Hex]

Glad that I did not do anything to get out of work for the PTQ here today, apparently only four people showed up.
I feel bad for the judge who drove over from tampa.

 

[An-Det]

4 people for the staff or to play? I'd kill for a PTQ with that few people if the latter.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I think my new deck will be a myr deck. Is there any white cards that protect artifacts? It feels like I need to splash blue just to stop creeping corrosions and such.

 

[Hex]

4 people for the staff or to play? I'd kill for a PTQ with that few people if the latter.

Just four showed up to play.
With that few, they cancel the event and will not run it with that few.

 

[Hex]

I think my new deck will be a myr deck. Is there any white cards that protect artifacts? It feels like I need to splash blue just to stop creeping corrosions and such.

Indomitable Archangel
Though it will not affect creeping corrosions but everything else is covered.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Indomitable Archangel
Though it will not affect creeping corrosions but everything else is covered.

Ya, creeping corrosion is what worries me since a couple people play green.

Well, that and black sun zenith would wreck my myrs.

 

[Hex]

Ya, creeping corrosion is what worries me since a couple people play green.

Well, that and black sun zenith would wreck my myrs.

All that you can really do is pop in a couple of blue flash freezes.
Maybe play a couple of liquid metal coatings so that you can turn their creeps into an artifact in response if they do.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

All that you can really do is pop in a couple of blue flash freezes.
Maybe play a couple of liquid metal coatings so that you can turn their creeps into an artifact in response if they do.

Ya, might just hope they don't pull it. No one has 4 of either so that's hopeful. Although I can see people start to put them in if my deck is successful.

 

[Takuan]

I've got a question. If I play a Phyrexian Revoker and name a planeswalker, does that mean that planeswalker's abilities can't be used? Wondering if I should use one in my b/u infect/control deck.

 

[The Technomancer]

I've got a question. If I play a Phyrexian Revoker and name a planeswalker, does that mean that planeswalker's abilities can't be used? Wondering if I should use one in my b/u infect/control deck.

Yup, Planeswalkers have activated abilities.

 

[Takuan]

Yup, Planeswalkers have activated abilities.

Me rikey. Thanks. A shame I only have one of the bastards...

 

[Hex]

Yeah they can stop Planeswalkers, they can stop other artifacts, they can stop many many things.

 

[The Technomancer]

Fall 2011 set is now named: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/666

Innistrad, "Horror Lurks Within". Attached art might imply a gothic setting, first thing I think of is that kind of Lovecraftian setting of horror, although that style might be too contemporary.

 

[Takuan]

Fall 2011 set is now named: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/666

Innistrad, "Horror Lurks Within". Attached art might imply a gothic setting, first thing I think of is that kind of Lovecraftian setting of horror, although that style might be too contemporary.

Came here to post this. I'm already excited. Vess is long overdue for a revision, and we'll probably get a new Garruk in the block. I also like that they're going back to a more "human" setting - Mirrodin has begun to wear on me.

Part of me wonders when I'll grow out of this dorkery, but I don't think it'll ever leave me (permanently, anyway).

Edit: Lotta speculation that the poor guy laid out on the floor in the preview pic is Baron Sengier himself.

 

[siddx]

Excellent, I am already excited, I like the set symbol.

I really need to save up and buy some of the "must have" cards like Rofellos, Lotus petals, chrome mox, lion's eye diamond, all the different tutors, divining tops, jittes, some of the old dual lands, and so on. I already have some of the must have cards, but my collection isn't what is used to be.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I think it's funny we don't know the next set but we know the set after.

 

[orion434]

Opened a bunch of Mirrodin Besiged packs yesterday, looking to make a WW deck, based on 0-cost critters + Glint Hawk + signal pest, + Contested War Zone. I really don't want to go the way of WW Quest. I don't like Augmentor Armor, the equip cost is too high and you rely on too many situational scenarios.

This deck is more like White Steel, but it lacks card-draw or tutor for the Tempered Steel. But works off Battle Cry when it's not present. I was thinking about Inflitration Lens for card draw, maybe Mox Opal for speed, it looks something like this:

4X Menmite
4X Ornithoper
4X Signal Pest
4X Glint Hawk
4X Acorder Paladin
4X Phyrexian Revoker
4X Etched Champion

4X Tempered Steel
3X Journey to Nowhere
3X Revoke Existence
2X Mox Opal

4X Contested War Zone
4X Quicksand
12x Plains

The highest CC of any card is only 3, too much Wurmcoil in my area so Revoke Existence / Journey to Nowhere is needed... too bad it's only sorcery speed. An opening hand of

Menmite, Ornithopter, Signal pest, Glint Hawk, Mox Opal, Contested WarZone is 10 damage on 2nd turn. Sure it's a god-hand but not unheard of. Phrexian Revoker for Stoneforge Mystic / Planeswalkers. Etched Champion + Tempered Steel = 4/4 Protection from all colors.

 

[Hex]

Excellent, I am already excited, I like the set symbol.

I really need to save up and buy some of the "must have" cards like Rofellos, Lotus petals, chrome mox, lion's eye diamond, all the different tutors, divining tops, jittes, some of the old dual lands, and so on. I already have some of the must have cards, but my collection isn't what is used to be.

Yeah I am slowly going to start building towards extended and perhaps legacy and vintage so my wallet is looking at me with hate already.

 

[Takuan]

Opened a bunch of Mirrodin Besiged packs yesterday, looking to make a WW deck, based on 0-cost critters + Glint Hawk + signal pest, + Contested War Zone. I really don't want to go the way of WW Quest. I don't like Augmentor Armor, the equip cost is too high and you rely on too many situational scenarios.

This deck is more like White Steel, but it lacks card-draw or tutor for the Tempered Steel. But works off Battle Cry when it's not present. I was thinking about Inflitration Lens for card draw, maybe Mox Opal for speed, it looks something like this:

4X Menmite
4X Ornithoper
4X Signal Pest
4X Glint Hawk
4X Acorder Paladin
4X Phyrexian Revoker
4X Etched Champion

4X Tempered Steel
3X Journey to Nowhere
3X Revoke Existence
2X Mox Opal

4X Contested War Zone
4X Quicksand
12x Plains

The highest CC of any card is only 3, too much Wurmcoil in my area so Revoke Existence / Journey to Nowhere is needed... too bad it's only sorcery speed. An opening hand of

Menmite, Ornithopter, Signal pest, Glint Hawk, Mox Opal, Contested WarZone is 10 damage on 2nd turn. Sure it's a god-hand but not unheard of. Phrexian Revoker for Stoneforge Mystic / Planeswalkers. Etched Champion + Tempered Steel = 4/4 Protection from all colors.

That sounds to me like a pretty sick deck. It's very vulnerable to Black Sun's Zenith, but it's unlikely your opponent would have the mana required for a sweep by turn 2, and you'll already have him down to half life by the time he can get rid of your 1/1s. I like it! I may build my own version of it - I don't have the Opals, or as many Tempered Steels, Contested War Zones and Revokers, though...

 

[Hex]

That sounds to me like a pretty sick deck. It's very vulnerable to Black Sun's Zenith, but it's unlikely your opponent would have the mana required for a sweep by turn 2, and you'll already have him down to half life by the time he can get rid of your 1/1s. I like it! I may build my own version of it - I don't have the Opals, or as many Tempered Steels, Contested War Zones and Revokers, though...

Just remember, a Ratchet bomb with 0 counters can be sacrificed to kill all the memnites, thopters and opals.
It is a good deck though, I ran against a version of it mixing in red battlecry and burn at FNM last week.

 

[Takuan]

Just remember, a Ratchet bomb with 0 counters can be sacrificed to kill all the memnites, thopters and opals.
It is a good deck though, I ran against a version of it mixing in red battlecry and burn at FNM last week.

Oh, right - good ol' Ratchet Bomb... another card I sorely need. I should trade off my GSZ for one + a Tempered Steel or something.

 

[Fragamemnon]

I really liked AJ Sacher's Legacy Green Sun's Zenith build he played this week at the SCG Open in Memphis. Just the right amount of toolboxing and he actually maintained good threat density in his deck when you consider the GSZ's+Cantrips. Looking forward to giving it a spin.

(list is here : http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=37133 )

One thing about AJ's list is that he should have had an Eternal Witness in there somewhere. Not sure why he had the Fauna Shaman in there unless he just really wanted a way to pitch Progenitus, and he had brainstorms to deal with that issue.

He also might have been better off with a sideboard of Stoneforge Mystics+Jitte+Sword of Fire and Ice to go in for the Force of Wills in the Tribal/Zoo MUs, he's got the weenie dudes and fast mana to make equipment very good.

 

[orion434]

Just remember, a Ratchet bomb with 0 counters can be sacrificed to kill all the memnites, thopters and opals.
It is a good deck though, I ran against a version of it mixing in red battlecry and burn at FNM last week.

Yeah Ratchet Bomb is a nasty card that will disrupt this deck, but would still have to worry about a Glint Hawk + Signal Pest + Contested War Zone = 5 damage.

It's so funny I was opening Mirrodin Besiged packs and I kept opening Contested War Zone ( Opened a playset ) thinking WTF!!! This card sucks, then I thought about 0-Weinnie and well this is Battle Cry on a Land for 1 + tap. Then looked at Signal Pest... and thought hmmm....

Black Sun's Zenith would be turn 3 for -1/-1 and turn 4 for -2/-2 and Day of Judgement would also suck... but that's with any weinnie deck.

 

[An-Det]

I agree, AJ's list looks solid and seems like a lot of fun. The lack of an Eternal Witness does seem odd now that you mention it, I'd love to hear his thoughts on it. I might end up playing the deck at this week's tournament to try it out for myself, the only things that I dont have is the Scryb Ranger and Selkie in the board.

 

[Leunam]

So looking at that list, you could cast Progenitus through Green Suns Zenith without actually having black or red mana so long as can pay the 11cmc? I didn't see either red or black lands in that deck.

Also, that Progenitus art is amazing.

 

[An-Det]

You get Progenitus into play using Natural Order, although it is now possible (though difficult) to do it through GSZ now.

 

[Leunam]

Going by the text, Progenitus can count as a green creature because of the 2 green in it's cost?

Is it the mana cost that makes using the GSZ route difficult?

 

[Fragamemnon]

Going by the text, Progenitus can count as a green creature because of the 2 green in it's cost?

Is it the mana cost that makes using the GSZ route difficult?

Progenitus comes into play via Natural Order exclusively by this deck's design.

Legacy is a format where if you want to generate 11 mana within a reasonable fundamental turn, you must do so via extraordinary means and allocate a massive space in your deck to do so. AJ's list just uses Natural Order as an "oops, hey I win" cheat if they don't counter it, and he plays enough mana sources where the usual tax counters (Daze, lesser extent Spell Pierce) can be blanked, making it a Force of Will ultimatum.

 

[siddx]

Oh, right - good ol' Ratchet Bomb... another card I sorely need. I should trade off my GSZ for one + a Tempered Steel or something.

I have 4 of em and have one in every single EDH deck. Such a great card.

I picked up a Progenitus recently to throw in a "cheat em out deck" with summoning traps and lurking predators. I need to throw some elvish piper's in there (and natural orders if I was made of money).
I have been on the losing side of a progenitus many times and you pretty much want to stab your opponent in the face when they drop one onto the board.

 

[suffah]

Super pumped about "action". Love that dudes head on the floor too.

 

[Takuan]

Super pumped about "action". Love that dudes head on the floor too.

That's actually "Shake". "Action" will be one of either Mirrodin Pure or New Phyrexia, and Liliana is most likely not going to play a role in this block. I'm curious if we'll see a planeswalker at all, given all the Phyrexian praetors that will definitely take up a good portion of the set's mythics.

 

[Hex]

That's actually "Shake". "Action" will be one of either Mirrodin Pure or New Phyrexia, and Liliana is most likely not going to play a role in this block. I'm curious if we'll see a planeswalker at all, given all the Phyrexian praetors that will definitely take up a good portion of the set's mythics.

Pretty sure there will be one at least.
Really hope we get a new Green/* one.
Green/Blue would make me happy, Green/Black would also make me very happy. Green/White not so much.

 

[Takuan]

Pretty sure there will be one at least.
Really hope we get a new Green/* one.
Green/Blue would make me happy, Green/Black would also make me very happy. Green/White not so much.

Derp, I totally forgot about Karn. Big derp. There's also official art for Melira of Melira's Keepers fame. Interesting. New planeswalkers are always good. I'd love a GB Garruk, though. Probably seeing that in Innistrad, methinks.

 

[The Technomancer]

Derp, I totally forgot about Karn. Big derp. There's also official art for Melira of Melira's Keepers fame. Interesting. New planeswalkers are always good. I'd love a GB Garruk, though. Probably seeing that in Innistrad, methinks.

I'd bet corrupted Karn would be U/B, W/B, or W/U/B

 

[Hex]

Derp, I totally forgot about Karn. Big derp. There's also official art for Melira of Melira's Keepers fame. Interesting. New planeswalkers are always good. I'd love a GB Garruk, though. Probably seeing that in Innistrad, methinks.

Yeah I am expecting the Green/Black Garruk in "Roll" which is the third part of the Innistrad block

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I got my 2 deckbuilder kits today, I sure didn't get two mythic rares in each like the video. But I'm glad they're updated as I now have a lot of useful commons/uncommons I was going to have to order anyhow.

 

[Takuan]

I'd bet corrupted Karn would be U/B, W/B, or W/U/B

Karn, the Corrupted has a nice ring to it. U/B seems unfair since that combo already got huge loving in the form of Tezz 2.0. W/B would be very interesting, W/U/B would be even more interesting still.

Yeah I am expecting the Green/Black Garruk in "Roll" which is the third part of the Innistrad block

I fully expect G/B Garruk to roll faces and come with a $50 price tag. Seems to be the norm for any hot card and especially a hot planeswalker. I saw a link on MTG Salvation to a youtube video where Richard Garfield is expressing frustration at cards being valued at more than $20. He seems to have a genuine passion for the game and dislike the secondary market's function as a barrier for players who don't have the fiscal means to compete. He's listed as an Innistrad designer, which gives me high hopes for it being a very smart, balanced set. I have no idea which set he designed last, however.

 

[Hex]

Karn lost is Planeswalker "spark" but there is nothing to say that he won't get it back somehow with Venser's help

 

[WanderingWind]

I learned a valuable lesson. Buy new, hold on to them until the value skyrockets, sell. Repeat. I don't think I have anything of real value any longer, save for the two Planeswalkers, the Sword of Feast and Famine and Grave Titan. I'll probably sell the sword (again) and keep the rest because they're fun to play with. I also have a Blight Dragon which thanks to this thread, I can only play outside of the house. It's TOO powerful.