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Keru_Shiri said:
Haha
I am quite sure you would be wrong.
First of all, Etched Monstriocity is an 5/5 for five already. You can bring that out on turn 4 with palladium myr/mox opal. It gets affected by Tempered steel, you can defend it dynamically with the "target stuff gets protection of your color or artifacts" white spell, and most importantly: if you play with Mox Opals and a few mana-giver myrs, you can easily bring it to 10/10.
Not to mention Mycosinth, which allows you to search for any basic land twice if you can sac it by some very basic ways.
Or just use Hex Parasite. Awesome combo. Or any other counter removal.
I think there is potential in that card, in Standard.
Keru_Shiri
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Perhaps. I may sleeve up a list and see how it plays, the deck sounds fun, and I've been wanting to run Tempered Steel for awhile.V_Arnold said:Haha
I am quite sure you would be wrong.
First of all, Etched Monstriocity is an 5/5 for five already. You can bring that out on turn 4 with palladium myr/mox opal. It gets affected by Tempered steel, you can defend it dynamically with the "target stuff gets protection of your color or artifacts" white spell, and most importantly: if you play with Mox Opals and a few mana-giver myrs, you can easily bring it to 10/10.
Not to mention Mycosinth, which allows you to search for any basic land twice if you can sac it by some very basic ways.
Or just use Hex Parasite. Awesome combo. Or any other counter removal.
I think there is potential in that card, in Standard.
outunderthestars
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I am considering taking up the game. My fear is that, by now, everyone I play will have a deck filled with absurdly expensive/powerful cards. Is it possible for someone to take up the game without having to spend alot of money, yet still be competitive?
Keru_Shiri said:
Of course it might turn out that nobody wants to play a 5/5 for 5 anymore, which is ...fine, I guess, but it is a bid sad to see the "huge" cards getting sidestepped by tournament-perfect decks where you cant afford to open with one or two of that in your hand...
outunderthestars said:
Yes. Be prepared to spend anything around 50-100$ for your one deck that will be perfectly playable, if not really "the best of the best". There are a few cards out there which are really, really expensive, but you can decide to not build your deck around them.
After that, it is really up to you what you wanna do with the game. I went for the "buy fat packs (9 booster in a box)" route, where I sold the most expensive cards out of it, and bought some individually. That will help you get some ground over time, when a new set arrives, so you can negotiate/Trade for new stuff with your old ones.
outunderthestars said:
Start with booster drafts/sealed drafts. It will let you compete, but on a more even playing field and allow you to build up a collection. You can also make a decent standard deck for not too much that will let you compete in more casual games. As your collection grows, you'll be able to compete in more serious standard tournaments as well. And eventually if you get really into it and start spending big money, you'll have the cards to compete in legacy.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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outunderthestars said:
Do like others said and do draft/sealed events. Also, you may find a group or if you go to a small enough card shop that no one goes crazy and plays tournament level decks anyhow. Card shop I go to is pretty small and 2 or 3 play in legacy and can make crazy decks but since everyone else doesn't have the money and is pretty casual they don't make them for friday night magic and so it's more casual. Usually only happens at smaller card shops.
The Technomancer
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I really want to snag a copy of Melira, she seems like she could be built around.
Two of my friends ran her in THG sealed at the prerelease, and she completely shut down the opponents board the four games they managed to play her in.
Two of my friends ran her in THG sealed at the prerelease, and she completely shut down the opponents board the four games they managed to play her in.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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The_Technomancer said:
Did they play non-infect decks? Also, are temporary minus abilities technically done as counters? Like does grasp of darkness do counters since it's until end of turn?
The Technomancer
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Yeah, they were running R/W metalcraft and something with green in it (I can't recall)Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Sold the Sword of War and Peace I got Friday at the store today for $25 in credit, used $12 of it to draft, won the draft and my credit back while pulling a Phyrexian Obliterator and Mental Misstep during the draft. Profit! Now to offload the Obliterator before his price drops as people realize he's not the finisher they want him to be.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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The_Technomancer said:
What did she do in those games? I can't see much use for her except sideboard material against an infect deck.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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kudos. said:
Speaking of luck there was a guy who bought a worldwake box months ago and pulled 3 Jaces in one box. Now I'm not telling you what to do but if there is someone to hate...
The Technomancer
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Everyone else was running infectZaraki_Kenpachi said:
Or at least everyone they played against.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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The_Technomancer said:Everyone else was running infect
Or at least everyone they played against.
Ah, ok that makes sense then.
Ya, so ridiculous against infect especially being a 2/2 2 drop.Is it just me or does a tezzeret deck seem so much better since new phrexia came out? So many good cards.
WanderingWind
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Akim said:
I had two of 'em, mint, that I tried to trade in here.
Didn't get anything good last night. My friend who barely plays and can barely play got a Batterskull. I built the best deck of the group but I wanted a few mental missteps to add to my Tempo Thresh deck. I'll probably call it quits on drafting, it never ends well. At least from a financial point of view. It was fun though but I won't play with that deck ever again.
So 12 of the top 16 decks at the Orlando Legacy Open ran mental misstep in the main deck. I remember telling some friends it would be a legacy staple and be in almost every legacy deck and they didn't believe me. I'll be holding on to that foil mental misstep for a long time.
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The Orlando Legacy tournament was pretty small by Legacy standards, and (being brutally honest) I think a lot of the top players at that tournament could have placed well piloting a ham sandwich. Which they sort of proved by having two of them top 8 with a control deck in modern Legacy with maindeck Standstill, which is terrible, Mental Misstep or not. They could have played Fact or Fiction with that deck loadout and it would have been just as savage, without the hideous drawback/conditionality of Standstill. Then again, if every person you play against doesn't know how to play around/through Standstill, then the card suddenly gets a lot more valuable.
That being said, five of the top eight decks at the hundred-man tourney at Vestal were running Mental Misstep from what I read. I haven't played with it yet in a tournament, but I think it's probably more generally useful in the format than Daze is. Bagging white removal, tops, brainstorms, and vials (and much more!) without needing to leave resources open or having to pay the huge cost of two cards is very efficient. Brainstorm in particular, having that misstep'd is a huge punch in the gut as a longtime blue player.
Some cards I'd want in my binder for Providence if I was going:
Peacekeeper - the very best Merfolk hate card for Jace decks. One of the best feelings in the entire format is playing a blue/white Jace deck in Legacy and explaining to an inexperineced Merfolk opponent just what Peacekeeper does. It also gets free wins from Affinity (just keep Tezz of the board and you win) , show and tell, combo elves, and even Bant decks that just want to win off four Swords to Plowshares.
Dark Confidant - Bob is insane in a world where blue decks can counter white removal on a one-for-one card basis.
Grim Lavamancer - Another card Merfolk probably can't beat if deployed early enough.
City of Traitors/Metalworker - This deck continues to put up numbers and these cards are insanely hard to find nowadays. Same goes for LEDs, though I think storm combo is going to have a long dry summer (misstep is huge here, you can misstep a chant and counter it for value, something that was very hard to do before), I think the best "LED" deck right now may be the painter deck that uses a few LEDs in the deck so they can crack in response to Intutition/weld them in and go off right after an Intuition.
That being said, five of the top eight decks at the hundred-man tourney at Vestal were running Mental Misstep from what I read. I haven't played with it yet in a tournament, but I think it's probably more generally useful in the format than Daze is. Bagging white removal, tops, brainstorms, and vials (and much more!) without needing to leave resources open or having to pay the huge cost of two cards is very efficient. Brainstorm in particular, having that misstep'd is a huge punch in the gut as a longtime blue player.
Some cards I'd want in my binder for Providence if I was going:
Peacekeeper - the very best Merfolk hate card for Jace decks. One of the best feelings in the entire format is playing a blue/white Jace deck in Legacy and explaining to an inexperineced Merfolk opponent just what Peacekeeper does. It also gets free wins from Affinity (just keep Tezz of the board and you win) , show and tell, combo elves, and even Bant decks that just want to win off four Swords to Plowshares.
Dark Confidant - Bob is insane in a world where blue decks can counter white removal on a one-for-one card basis.
Grim Lavamancer - Another card Merfolk probably can't beat if deployed early enough.
City of Traitors/Metalworker - This deck continues to put up numbers and these cards are insanely hard to find nowadays. Same goes for LEDs, though I think storm combo is going to have a long dry summer (misstep is huge here, you can misstep a chant and counter it for value, something that was very hard to do before), I think the best "LED" deck right now may be the painter deck that uses a few LEDs in the deck so they can crack in response to Intutition/weld them in and go off right after an Intuition.
You guys should check out my trade thread. I need some stuff. (FoW, Mutavault, Jitte, Merfolk Stuff)
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=317330
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=317330
Akim said:
Do you mind me asking what you are building? Just curious since you have your Sovs for trade, or are you running Lords of Atlantis instead? And if I finally pull a FoW from this shop around here I'll have a played FoW for trade ($9 a pack, so only buy a couple a month)
I actually got my buddy to trade me a few commons for his mental missteps. Now I'm running 4. I don't think either of us knew MM would be much more valuable lol.
My buddy has a vamp card that cost 1B. Cost one to kick and and it forces me to sacrifice a creature. Even though the creature itself is more than 1 mana cost, the kicker itself is 1 mana. Can Mental Misstep counter the kicker from taking place? If so, I'm running MM in all my decks!
My buddy has a vamp card that cost 1B. Cost one to kick and and it forces me to sacrifice a creature. Even though the creature itself is more than 1 mana cost, the kicker itself is 1 mana. Can Mental Misstep counter the kicker from taking place? If so, I'm running MM in all my decks!
I wonder if being anti "mental-misstep" would mean that you do not really use cards with converted mana cost 1 
Some decks might be able to fill that gap by simply using 0-cost creatures (Ornithopter, Mnemnite, etc) and get over turn 2 by playing 2mana stuff and/or 1+1phyrexian on turn 1
Some decks might be able to fill that gap by simply using 0-cost creatures (Ornithopter, Mnemnite, etc) and get over turn 2 by playing 2mana stuff and/or 1+1phyrexian on turn 1 Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Depends on the deck, I would never run mental misstep as a main card but I would definitely use it as sideboard material. The one kid I know has an infect livewire lash deck that he uses a ton of one drop pump spells that would make it where you would have to run 4 mental missteps.traveler said:
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V_Arnold said:
Ya, it's good against a couple decks in standard. Good against red aggro with no kuldotha, lightning bolt, goblin guide, etc. Hurts green ramp with killing majority of the elves. And works in any deck due to phrexian mana. I would sideboard it in a lot of decks but still think it's too narrow for main.
I just had the most INSANE draft ever.
1st pack: Obliterator
2nd pack: Chancellor of the Dross
3rd pack: Karn
Also drafted: Mental Misstep, Despise, Surgical Extraction (what?)
went 4-0
prize packs:
Sword of War and Peace
Foil Elesh Norn
Mental Misstep
Puresteel Paladin
Dismember.
Yeah.....I'm happy.
1st pack: Obliterator
2nd pack: Chancellor of the Dross
3rd pack: Karn
Also drafted: Mental Misstep, Despise, Surgical Extraction (what?)
went 4-0
prize packs:
Sword of War and Peace
Foil Elesh Norn
Mental Misstep
Puresteel Paladin
Dismember.
Yeah.....I'm happy.
Sick draft. Did you actually have the depth to run Obliterator? (Although I suppose it's not even bad as a 7 drop in a non mono black deck)
Back to the subject of Legacy, since I now have 4 stoneforge mystics out of nowhere thanks to the event decks, I think I will actually try to go ahead and build some form of D&T. Even if it's not optimal, the playstyle just suits me. What would be the most optimal way to tune it for the current meta? It seems like the multicolor variants are far more popular at the moment, but mono white D&T was the one that appealed to me the most and it seems like it has a good matchup against merfolk, which is widely expected to be the most popular deck at GProvidence. Of course, mono-color does lean a little heavier on the land disruption, which tends to be the most expensive part of the deck. (However the splashes use OG duals, so there's really no escaping heavy cost there no matter what.)
Back to the subject of Legacy, since I now have 4 stoneforge mystics out of nowhere thanks to the event decks, I think I will actually try to go ahead and build some form of D&T. Even if it's not optimal, the playstyle just suits me. What would be the most optimal way to tune it for the current meta? It seems like the multicolor variants are far more popular at the moment, but mono white D&T was the one that appealed to me the most and it seems like it has a good matchup against merfolk, which is widely expected to be the most popular deck at GP
rovidence. Of course, mono-color does lean a little heavier on the land disruption, which tends to be the most expensive part of the deck. (However the splashes use OG duals, so there's really no escaping heavy cost there no matter what.)traveler said:Sick draft. Did you actually have the depth to run Obliterator? (Although I suppose it's not even bad as a 7 drop in a non mono black deck)
Back to the subject of Legacy, since I now have 4 stoneforge mystics out of nowhere thanks to the event decks, I think I will actually try to go ahead and build some form of D&T. Even if it's not optimal, the playstyle just suits me. What would be the most optimal way to tune it for the current meta? It seems like the multicolor variants are far more popular at the moment, but mono white D&T was the one that appealed to me the most and it seems like it has a good matchup against merfolk, which is widely expected to be the most popular deck at GP
For monocolored, a build like this seems fantastic.
For the event decks, did you find them at your lgs? I cant find much info on their availability, and I really need the SFM's (I've only 1).
An-Det said:
I was just reading Finn's report. I've been keeping up with his threads on Salv and theSource and it seems like, with his very recent high placing against the Merfolk heavy meta, this might actually be a decent time to bring the deck back to the forefront. I'll work towards building that list. Will have to run some budget choices for a bit, but I think that was a given. How would Mirran Crusader fare as a substitute for the Avengers until I get them? They have some evasion, beat harder, carry swords better, but are harder to vial in and definitely aren't quite as evasive as a flyer. Also, how does the mono white variant deal with fast combo decks like High Tide and ANT? Seems like they would be able to go off much quicker than you could get your swords online and the only obvious hoser I can see is the Canonist.
You might be able to find event decks at your LGS when they launch on June 10 or even at a Target or the like. They aren't supposed to be limited, although the list for this deck might have the same result Jitte did in its precon. I bought mine at MinatureMarket, a store I'd used in the past for board games, literally within minutes of the lists being announced. They had 22 in stock when I finished my order and were out of stock less than an hour later. (They were selling them at $17 a pop, so that might have had something to do with it.)
traveler said:
Protection from Green is pretty relevant for many matchups, so Mirran Crusader isnt a bad replacement for it. The conditional evasion and higher cc are decent tradeoffs for being much better with a sword in combat. Could do much worse. What are you missing from the deck besides the Avengers?
I realized afterward that the event deck wont release for another few weeks. I probably wont have much trouble getting them then, and even if I do all I need are the SFM's anyway which will drop at least some.
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traveler said:
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