The Technomancer
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Vorapede is expensive but if your mana fixing is Elves and Birds its not like you're going to have trouble meeting the GGG
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Of course not, but my purpose for going ramp was lessen the blow of the Worldslayer cost of 5, and the equip cost of 5.
It would be a better deck with Strangleroot Geist and Vorapede in place of Worldslayer and Helavault, no question.
divisionbyzorro
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DOTP 2012 has been done for a while.
http://community.wizards.com/go/thr...ls_of_the_Planeswalkers_2012_-_UPDATE_2222012
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/venser-the-exiler-2/
I was peakin around tappedout and I found this deck. I have a question about the combo he mentions:
-Venser, the Sojourner + Oblivion Ring + Sundial of the Infinite: exile nonland permanents each turn as needed, do this by using O-ring to exile a permanent, then bounce it. While the second ability that returns the currently exiled card is on the stack you end the turn, leaving the card in exile and bringing O-ring back into play to exile more things.
Wouldn't the O-ring never come back because you end the turn while it's bounced?
I was peakin around tappedout and I found this deck. I have a question about the combo he mentions:
-Venser, the Sojourner + Oblivion Ring + Sundial of the Infinite: exile nonland permanents each turn as needed, do this by using O-ring to exile a permanent, then bounce it. While the second ability that returns the currently exiled card is on the stack you end the turn, leaving the card in exile and bringing O-ring back into play to exile more things.
Wouldn't the O-ring never come back because you end the turn while it's bounced?
I want to say the O-ring is exiled and you end the turn while whatever is coming back into play is on the stack... but I'm not sure if I'm right...
The Technomancer
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I guess the question is: does the O-ring hit your hand before its ability bringing the thing back goes on the stack?
divisionbyzorro
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Sundial of the Infinite always makes my head hurt, but I believe this is what happens:
- Exile an opponent's permanent with Oblivion Ring.
- Do whatever you want on your first main and attack step.
- During second main, activate Venser's +2 and target your Oblivion Ring. Let this ability resolve.
- When Oblivion Ring leaves the battlefield, the triggered ability goes on the stack.
- While that ability is on the stack, hit Sundial of the Infinite.
- When the sundial's ability resolves, the stack is emptied and you move straight to cleanup. Your Oblivion Ring will not come down.
- Your opponent then gets his entire turn.
- At your opponent's end step, the condition for the second half Venser's +2 is met (the "next" end step). Oblivion Ring comes back down, and you can target anything your opponent just played on his turn.
- Rinse and repeat.
EDIT: Beaten.
Yeah, so many cute things in that deck, haha. Sundial has a lot of really subtle uses, apparently.
Also, my friend suggested putting Phyrexia's Core in my Worldslayer deck, in case you need to crack open your Helvault in an emergency.
That's a fantastic idea, actually.
'splain please?
So "you lose the game" isn't like life totals today, where if you hit zero you're just dead?
divisionbyzorro
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When you hit zero life, you lose the game as a state based action.
As written on Phage, the loss of the game goes on the stack as a trigger based on the creature entering the battlefield.
Gotcha. I think it's crap that you can't stay at zero until the end of a phase, honestly.
Thats shitty shit in a bag of shit
I may be remembering incorrectly but I believe at one point you could, but that was changed.
It was like that back before I quit (back in the Odyssey days), but when I started back up like 9 months ago it was different
2013 has already been announced though with some nice improvements and hopefully some nice promo cards.
WanderingWind
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Argh I hate auto land tapping, I have almost thrown my laptop so many times.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
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Officially going to a prerelease event with a couple of friends. How long do these things usually take?
How long do these things usually take?A few hours give or take.Officially going to a prerelease event with a couple of friends.
Might be faster if you drop out quick.
The Technomancer
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Officially going to a prerelease event with a couple of friends.
If you just do one event its supposed to be between three and a half and four hours or so.
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I will check these out, thanks. I have to check if they ship to Europe.
Finland. There are local stores for sure, but the prices seem way higher and older cards are hard to find.
Ebay just feels like a ton of work, and at this age I rather just fork over the money and get all the 30 cards I need from the same place.
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zerokoolpsx
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I played Monday night magic last night and did well. Won 3 out of 4 matches running a W/B tokens deck, but I got stomped by a G/B deck that had Glissa, ratchet bomb and Wurmcoil. I was crushed both rounds. I knew I should have put Mirran Crusader in my sideboard. =/
Here's my question. My attack phase, I attack with a 3/3 Champion of the Parish, 2/2 Champion of the Parish and Hero of Bladehold. My opponent cast vapor snag and target my hero. Do I still get the two 1/1 soldier tokens and battlecry or not? Text says whenever it attacks.
Here's my question. My attack phase, I attack with a 3/3 Champion of the Parish, 2/2 Champion of the Parish and Hero of Bladehold. My opponent cast vapor snag and target my hero. Do I still get the two 1/1 soldier tokens and battlecry or not? Text says whenever it attacks.
The Technomancer
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Did they cast it when you declared attack step? If so, you don't get the tokens. Did they wait until the Hero was tapped? Then you get the tokens.
Yea like Technomancer says it depends entirely on the timing of Vapor Snag. Odds are they did it at the end of your main phase before the combat phase begins.
zerokoolpsx
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She was tapped. I declare all my attackers at once. Oh well. My opponent waited too long and use it after it was tapped.
The Technomancer
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Technically they're supposed to have a chance to cast something after you formally say "I'm declaring attackers now" but before you actually select who's attacking.
(technically its "in response to" but w/e)
zerokoolpsx
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Oh okay. Like my opponent has priority once I declare attackers? Or in response to it.
There's a phase called "Beginning of Combat" where players do the whole priority song and dance.
So, Main Phase 1 ends. Beginning of Combat begins, player whose turn it is gets priority, passes, opponent gets priority, passes, then you move into Declare Attackers.
Most people just skip it entirely but sometimes it's helpful for when you want to tap stuff down.
So, Main Phase 1 ends. Beginning of Combat begins, player whose turn it is gets priority, passes, opponent gets priority, passes, then you move into Declare Attackers.
Most people just skip it entirely but sometimes it's helpful for when you want to tap stuff down.
zerokoolpsx
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I just tap stuff down. They know it's the attack phase.
The Technomancer
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No, he meant the term like if they wanted to "tap down" your creatures before you'd have the chance to attack with them. The Vapor Snag thing you mentioned falls into the same camp.
So yeah, they're supposed to have a chance to respond after you've declared your intent to attack but before you decide specifically which creatures are attacking.
So you declare attack and pass priority.
Now it's your opponent's response phase. So, say they decline the vapor snag. They pass back.
Now your Hero of Bladehold is tapped to attack. It creates the tokens. They can no longer prevent this with a Vapor Snag.
Right?
Right.
narcosis219
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Every time i bring up rules about priority people get mad and think I'm cheating. Not a problem at FNM but a problem with friends who don't play often.
Yea my understanding of the rules and the stack increased 1000 fold after one day of playing.
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