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Magic: the Gathering |OT10| Aether Revolt - That shit that make your Soul Burn slow
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There is no "cycle parity", Mystic is busted. Period. End of story. The cost reduction mechanic will keep the card banned for all eternally.
False equivalency is not something you base an argument on.
It's almost like mana cost reduction is a bigger developmental and format problem than the ability to cast spells a second time. Maybe a ban list full of cards that shave costs would be some sort of indication that this is the case.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If at all Mystic is busted in modern considering goyf considerably outpaces it in legacy and snapcaster is close behind.
it's almost as if this argument worked justifying the ban but since then batterskull hasn't been replaced in half a decade, go take a look at all the equipments that cost more than 5 heck go take a look at all equipment that cost 3 or more and then tell me why cheating the mana costs for any of them that don't have living weapon is that imposing. There's also a list of cards that are still legal despite cheating mana.
They printed two X spells that destroy artifacts in different ways in a small set. Do you have to ask?
The ban is justified. You simply don't understand why and would be better off listening rather than speaking.
SFM is never safe because of the cost reduction.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
here's a list of all equipments with cmc more than 2 excluding the ones with living weapon
https://magidex.com/search?q=t:equipment cmc>2 -o:living
name me one where the cheating of mana costs is particularly good in modern
Even including the ones with living weapons, there's not much else but batterskull.
I agree with you that the ban was justified, it's the continuation of it which is not.
If you think taking it off is ok, you don't understand why it was banned in the first place.
It's never safe because any card like Batterskull in the future will re-break it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
if modern is even still a thing and hasn't gone the way of legacy. Any day now they'll print one I'm sure.
Why the fuck is this thing 5 mana?
Because of the dual combat step part.
Imperfected
Member
Well, yeah, but if you built up 12+ Energy for the express purpose of using this thing, I worry about you.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If you combine it with some more energy when damaging player cards it's pretty easy to go infinite.
This guy + 2 empyreal voyagers and an anthem effect can suffice.
This guy + 2 empyreal voyagers and an anthem effect can suffice.
And facing turn 3 killin fiend as a 20 power, zooicide that kills you turn 3, infect, burn with two guides and a great reveal, affinity with most hands, etc is? Turn 3 batterskull is very good, but it lines up with the power level of other powerful modern plays.
SigmasonicX
Member
About Lightning Runner, you get infinite combat steps if you have 4 out, or combine it with another "energy on attack" creature like the lizard.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
there's also these
Is it me or did WotC considerably deage Liliana?
from this to this
Joe Molotov
Member
Or you could just run Aetherworks Marvel and not have your combo pieces die to Shock.
Right, I understand that the extra combat step is powerful/swingy/etc, but it being on a 2/2 body is pathetic. Like they couldn't just make it a 4/4 without the double strike?
They're printing Shock in AER. Even 3/3 would have been *something*. It's another case of "Let us just slap some things on a card and call it a day".
There is something amusing about how Lightning Runner dies to Shock though.
I could be wrong but I thought that Liliana Vess was pre mending and Liliana of the veil/last hope was post mending. (aka when she made the deal with the demons to look young)
Call of Unity 3WW
Enchantment
Revolt - At the beginning of your end step, put a Unity counter on Call of Unity if a permanent you control left the battlefield this turn.
Creatures you control get +1/+1 for each unity counter on Call of Unity.
Walking Ballista XX
Artifact Creature - Construct
~ enters the battlefield with with X +1/+1 counters on it.
4: Put a +1/+1 counter on ~
Remove a +1/+1 counter from ~ : ~ deals 1 damage to target creature or player.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Mikaeus anyone? 0 mana is quit a bit cheaper than triskelion
Walking Ballista XX
Artifact Creature - Construct
~ enters the battlefield with with X +1/+1 counters on it.
4: Put a +1/+1 counter on ~
Remove a +1/+1 counter from ~ : ~ deals 1 damage to target creature or player.
Imperfected
Member
But hey, at least it's immune to the new darling in black removal.
Playing that long con, just pricing everything out of CMC based removal range. I get you, Wizards.
Playing that long con, just pricing everything out of CMC based removal range. I get you, Wizards.
Doesn't quite work, since Mikaeus gives it +1/+1 so it won't die if you cast it for 0. If you cast for 2 to get a counter on it, it's infinite death triggers/etb triggers by shooting itself, but not infinite damage. Get a sac outlet and you're in business. I assume those are plentiful in Mikaeus decks.
Joe Molotov
Member
You could have it deal 1 damage to itself to have it infinitely enter the battlefield for no benefit. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Combos with Bitter Ordeal.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You play it for 0 it dies because it's a 0/0 and comes back with a +1/+1 counter, you remove the +1/+1 counter it dis because it's a 0/0, profit.
"We have a bunch of broken stuff happening in the format... Hey Supast4r, what do we do?"
"Balance it with more broken things!"
divisionbyzorro
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I've never seen a commander that says "kill me first" as hard as that one.
It's a better alternative than banning out 4 decks and having people quit your format. If you ban out those decks people will leave in packs. Modern's identity at this point is winning in fast ways with few police cards to stop it.
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WOWOWWOWOWOOWOWOWWOWOW :O
I really thought that he would be the first pushed mono blue creature that we have had in awhile. Instead we get another commander card...
Revolt- ETB give -3/-3 to a creature
I can't believe we have moved from removal being unplayable to them printing good 3 mana Nekrataal's again at uncommon.
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Joe Molotov
Member
One day Red will get another 2-drop and you. Will. Shit. Your. Pants.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Chandra's arch-nemesis is a 1/3.
Mikaeus gives your creatures +1/+1.
Infinite Stars
Member
He didn't even survive Torch of Defiance's -3. That's kind of funny to me.
Again, I'm totally fine with Mystic staying on the list if it means we can get decent Equipment, but so far we've got none of that since Batterskull. Just give White something that it can play as a 2 drop that isn't limited to D&T/Hatebears.
From Modern Nexus' testing, the only deck that Abzan ft Mystic had a significant win ratio increase against was burn, and considering Burn opted to side out Eidolon of the Great Revel against a deck full of CMC<3, I'm tempted to discard the big swing in matchups.
Again, I'm totally fine with Mystic staying on the list if it means we can get decent Equipment, but so far we've got none of that since Batterskull. Just give White something that it can play as a 2 drop that isn't limited to D&T/Hatebears.
I'll probably cut at least 1 Goblin Electromancer from my Storm deck for a Baral- he's easier to cast and does a slightly better job on defense (it can block 2/Xs, eats Thalia, ect) at the cost of being slightly worse on the beatdown plan (which never actually works) and being a Legend.
Aethertide Whale 4UU
Creature - Whale
Flying.
When Aethertide Whale enters the battlefield, you get EEEEEE.
Pay EEEE: Return Aethertide Whale to your hand.
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Fiend Hunter
Grand Arbiter
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Ophidian
Sea Gate Oracle
Shadowmage Infiltrator
All limited, casual and/or constructed ALL STARS (and this list isn't even exhaustive)
Like why do you take so much joy in being spectacularly wrong about MTG all the time?
This seems super good, of course it's GW.
I just started playing Legacy but I can't wait to try one of these guys in my Maverick deck
SigmasonicX
Member
Won't even post the rest of the cycle, they aren't much better.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If I'm gonna play a control oriented 1U creature it's gonna be Thing in the Ice.
Won't even post the rest of the cycle, they aren't much better.
If only the card draw was optional, this would replace Pyrite Spellbomb in all the combo decks that use Spellbomb.
Your gonna deck yourself looping this though
I am Error
Member
Won't even post the rest of the cycle, they aren't much better.
Pretty bad, but has some use in limited.
It basically enables Improvise for one generic mana and Revolt for one red mana and you get to draw a card.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
That has been their philosophy with recent unbannings.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";227653280]
Mikaeus gives your creatures +1/+1.[/QUOTE]
my bad. Doesn't work as well then
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