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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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This seems quite strong in any fetchland format.
This is just sad.
Wow, those wings look like a ps1 model.
What an odd card.
New Split:
Both halves seem cheap. I like this a lot.
TCGplayer preview card.
Seems stupid good for limited, too expensive and slow for constructed.
Insane for limited. I love this card, It's like a much worse Eldrazi Displacer, but I like it nonetheless.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
and zur can fetch a ton of them.
I love how much crap you can do with this card.
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I love how much crap you can do with this card.
Sad that's not on the Timeshifted sheet, cause that's a somewhat realistic T4 in Modern due to how much self-harm decks do right now
FreedomFrisbee
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Good lord, I go to sleep and everyone forgets the difference between design and balance. Kaladesh is the best designed set they've had since at least Khans. Maro is right to be proud of it. However it was terribly balanced with the environment, which is not remotely Maro's fault or responsibility. Tweaking numbers and picking the exact cards that go in a set falls completely to development, and Maro is just a design guy. Development failed with Kaladesh but Design succeeded. If you're worried about Dominaria, Maro is not the guy to be concerned about (double true given Garfield is on design for it). Development are the ones who shat the bed, they know it, and Dominaria will be the first set hit by changes caused by said bed shatting. It could just as easily succeed because they felt pressured into printing Lightning Bolt again, or fail because they made a big development change and don't know what it's effects will be.
MAGIC STORY: HOUR OF GLORY
By the art, I assume Scorpio either kills Rhonas (who wins the prize for most pointless god ever) or gives him a massage.
By the art, I assume Scorpio either kills Rhonas (who wins the prize for most pointless god ever) or gives him a massage.
TheBlackMarvel
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MAGIC STORY: HOUR OF GLORY
By the art, I assume Scorpio either kills Rhonas (who wins the prize for most pointless god ever) or gives him a massage.
Yep, Rhonas dead.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Kaladesh was the first non return set since Khans...
We had origins as a core set, BFZ which was a clusterfuck and shadows which in retrospect was better than Kaladesh on pretty much all fronts imo.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
did they ever explain why the pyramid tops are floating?
So found out a local gaming store is having a open house. Will be nice to get to play magic in person, Yugioh/vanguard player here.
I've only played the duel of the planes walker's games so I know how the basic rules work at best but not seen any real magic played.
Got a couple of questions, if that's okay.
Now I know it's always better to buy singles than packs like any tcg, however what products are good to buy to actually own some cards and play a bit? Not sure how heavy I want to get in the hobby so I'd just like to own a deck that i could play with my friends who have decks. Like in vanguard and Yugioh there's structure decks which are able to atleast hang with some of the more competitive decks.
Is there a product which will get me a assortment of cards to mess around with?
What colour is best for somebody coming from Yugioh or vanguard where costs don't really exist and you play monsters? The whole mana system seems rather slow to me.
Thank you for your time
I've only played the duel of the planes walker's games so I know how the basic rules work at best but not seen any real magic played.
Got a couple of questions, if that's okay.
Now I know it's always better to buy singles than packs like any tcg, however what products are good to buy to actually own some cards and play a bit? Not sure how heavy I want to get in the hobby so I'd just like to own a deck that i could play with my friends who have decks. Like in vanguard and Yugioh there's structure decks which are able to atleast hang with some of the more competitive decks.
Is there a product which will get me a assortment of cards to mess around with?
What colour is best for somebody coming from Yugioh or vanguard where costs don't really exist and you play monsters? The whole mana system seems rather slow to me.
Thank you for your time
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/35321_New-Beginnings.html
Michael Majors joins the Play Design team. I like that they're poaching good pros for this team, it's the best way to go.
Michael Majors joins the Play Design team. I like that they're poaching good pros for this team, it's the best way to go.
Right I get that design and development are separate entities, each responsible for different things.
But Maro specifically transcends his role as a design-only guy when he starts to hype things up, especially with generic hyperbole like "the Awesome Set". He makes himself into the PR face of Wizards. Thus he will get both positive and negative responses.
That said, I am not worried about Dominaria from a "the set is going to be broken" perspective. I am 100% worried about it from a flavor standpoint. Which IS him and his team.
MAGIC STORY: HOUR OF GLORY
By the art, I assume Scorpio either kills Rhonas (who wins the prize for most pointless god ever) or gives him a massage.
Worth nothing that this hits theros gods when they have devotion
I started playing after attending my LGS's open house just before Amonkhet came out. They will actually give you a starter deck which you get to keep for free. After that I would recommend sticking to drafts if there is an store near you that does cheap drafts. After a few weeks you will have a nice little collection of cards. If you are interested in buying into standard just know that the 4 oldest sets are rotating out in September so you might want to wait to buy in till then. If you want to open packs then maybe pick up booster boxes for Kaladesh, Aether Revolt or Amonkhet and use 6 packs to do make limited decks (40 card decks made out of 6 booster packs) and play with your friends. That way you are opening the packs but also actually playing with them.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
have they ever been more than singletons in sideboards in any non highlander format?
I don't think design did succeed. I agree that a lot of Kaledesh's problems are from development, but let's not forget that vehicles have definitely been a miss for most people. Even beyond the overpowered nature of them, they seem boring in execution and always create an environment where sorceries suffer.
I think energy was a good design idea, but I think the rest of it was humdrum at best and actively bad in other areas (vehicles). Tbh I feel *all* elements of wizards fucked up with Kaladesh:
- creative squandered the setting completely, and instead of a fantastic Indian culture theme we got a fairly uninteresting aetherpunk setting focused on just one city which could just as easily have been set in an Izzet district of Ravnica. Also, don't complain about guns in your setting when you have laser, particle cannons and trains ffs. Also, this was the set that most felt like 'Adventures of the Gatewatch' - they just shouldn't have all been there at all, and were pushed way too much.
- design screwed up the vehicles, a mechanical idea that's been around forever and should have been left there.
- development didn't seem to actually be playing the game at all and let through numerous undercosted and overpowered cards for no reason, and in some cases were talking about cards that were identified as broken in the first hour of release. A turn 4 infinite combo in standard is a fairly fucking big fail.
Ultimately, Kaladesh as a set was just bad. Design probably did the best out of the bunch, but even so...
SigmasonicX
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For a beginner deck, you can get a Planeswalker Deck, which is pretty simple. It sounds like you might be interested in green decks that "ramp" with land-fetching spells and creatures that produce mana, or an aggressive red deck.
No problem, I asked the exact same questions 2 months ago when I decided to get into Magic and the people here were very helpful.
I would also very much recommend attending the Hour of Devastation pre-release event in a few weeks. I did the Amonkhet one and had a lot of fun. The pre-releases are great for new players in my experience.
Also just know that starting out you are going to have a lot of nights where you go 0-3. I always let people know I am new before the match starts and everyone I have played with has been very helpful in offering advice.
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Transhuman
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HOU Aftermath cards seem better overall. This one seems quite decent:
Sorcery
Scry 3
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Sorcery
Aftermath
Look at the top card of your library. If its a creature card, you may reveal it and put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put that card into your hand.
Bleh, I rather just play whatever card that i can cycle for a U and the Aftermath cost is so expensive.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Ew scry 3
HOU Aftermath cards seem better overall. This one seems quite decent:
Sorcery
Scry 3
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Sorcery
Aftermath
Look at the top card of your library. If its a creature card, you may reveal it and put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put that card into your hand.
This should have been an instant and cost 1 less. 6 mana for a potential whiff is hard to swallow on your turn
HOU Aftermath cards seem better overall. This one seems quite decent:
Sorcery
Scry 3
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Sorcery
Aftermath
Look at the top card of your library. If its a creature card, you may reveal it and put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put that card into your hand.
This looks like a great card if you manage to play both sides back to back. Even just scrying 3 for U seems pretty good. Slightly bad version of serum visions.
TheBlackMarvel
Member
I assume everything on Amonkhet comes back as a zombie.
If Hazoret finds out what was done to her she'd be pissed. Of the gods, I see only Kefnet as possibly surviving. And only because Nissa fucked around with him.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
You split it across turns pretty easily. Scry 3, put a creature second from the top, next turn Aftermath
Joe Molotov
Member
If it whiffs on your turn you did it wrong.
Exactly what I was thinking too.
shrapnelmagnet
Member
Kinda random: Anyone who's playing Duels get that 2000 coin thing yet? It's been the "up to 7 days" and I haven't 
Maybe today.
Maybe today.Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Very bad version of serum visions.
It's a decent turn 4 and turn 6 card. If you hit that is. You get to look 3 cards deep only and if you miss you have to look for another card to set you up.
ThLunarian
Member
Seems like people are underestimating this card. It's card parity and it lets you go Turn 4 Ulamog in standard again. All you need is to get to 5 Mana.
Heck, this could be good in Modern even. It's Through the Breach without the sacrifice clause.
Unfortunately, the check to see if there are no counters is a part of the upkeep trigger, so you still would have to wait around a turn after you play the Convergence. I used to try to play this card when it was in standard (cast Renounce to sacrifice all my permanents with the final ability on the stack). Fun stuff
Heck, this could be good in Modern even. It's Through the Breach without the sacrifice clause.
Unfortunately, the check to see if there are no counters is a part of the upkeep trigger, so you still would have to wait around a turn after you play the Convergence. I used to try to play this card when it was in standard (cast Renounce to sacrifice all my permanents with the final ability on the stack). Fun stuff
(The Haste is really important w/ Through the Breach lol)
FreedomFrisbee
Member
I mean, that just makes him part PR guy part Design guy. Still not part Balance guy. He says at every opportunity that he's terrible at balance.
I don't think creative wasted anything. They created a world with multiple locations and focused on one of them leaving others for the return. It's PR spin that made us think we were going to India when we weren't, it was really low hanging 'diversity' PR and they grabbed at it. The set should have been billed as an artifact set up front and it wasn't, but that's not creatives problem.
They didn't even really screw up vehicles. They screwed up the environment that vehicles were in. Same with equipment. The only thing that potentially lays at design's feet here is not doing colored vehicles first.
That's fine. Has nothing to do with balance. People just shouldn't be playing the "leave Maro alone card", is all. He's not just hyping mechanics and design. He's hyping entire sets.
No cast trigger, which was Ulamog's benefit.T5 Ulamog let's go boys, Marvel's back baybee!
Simply Sarah
Member
I will continue to disagree with people on vehicles. I think the basic concept is sound but the execution in Kaladesh is mostly bad. I think putting them more along the lines of Cultivator's Caravan is fine. Additionally, the dire lack of artifact hate made what was printed much worse than it should have been.
Yep. I mean, this was pretty obvious from the first story chapter. I'm personally very disappointed since I feel it's honestly kind of lazy and because MaRo was all "Oh, we're trying to avoid that" but only applied that Amonkhet. I mean, Exodus isn't even really a story about Egypt. The start of it is set in Egypt but it could have been set anywhere else.
A Serious Man
Member
Nice. They've put together a pretty likable team, if nothing else.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Wasn't it MaRo himself that played up the whole Indian culture thing. Wholly with talking to someone specifically to whether they got things right?
Simply Sarah
Member
And has been talking up how the HOU design lead spent some of his childhood in Egypt despite there not being anything truly Egyptian about the set so far.
The "consultants" for Kaladesh were people of Indian descent who already worked there so....this isn't surprising.
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