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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
eternalize is awful because the way embalm was easy to work around in limited doesn't work with it.
Yesss, was hoping for a Bolas-themed version for Commander. This set's Invocations are going to be bad for my wallet.
Do you have a list? I always wanted to build a Bolas themed deck, except it uses a different Grixis commander to hide the true mastermind.
A Serious Man
Member
Only thing I really want to see an invocation for is Jokulhaups.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
This is legit my favorite card of all time and this fugly POS makes me legit upset.
1st pack I ever bought had a Desolation Angel in it. It's got a soft spot in my heart too and holy shit this is terrible.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
She plays at my store! All her dad does is shuffle.
There are actually 2 little girls who play at my store.
I am also hoping for a viking themed set.
Of course it does. You just put the card into play with an "ETERNALIZE" counter or a die set to 4 or something. It's a little less effective since the printed P/T is wrong, but it's no harder than having -1/-1 counters on a creature.
charlequin
Banned
Bolas' plan was to have the living mine huge quantities of lazotep while the trials let him collect the dead bodies of all the smartest, toughest, strongest people on the plane, then when he comes back he covers all the latter with the former and has an army of powerful magic-resistant zombies under his personal control. If he's gotten his hands on a portal or something already he can march them right out, otherwise he can just park 'em out in the desert until he's ready.
This isn't about setting the default cost of the Lightning Strike ability, it's about what level of burn is appropriate for the limited format here. There's a broader issue with the quality of red burn right now (which they've said will improve) but even in eras where burn was much stronger you still saw overcosted burn spells at common to fill out limited formats.
Yep, 4th Edition introduced the non-scannable boosters.
Do you mean in terms of representing it on the table? The punch cards for this set probably have an Eternalize overlay that can cover the P/T.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Not really. -1/-1 counters are the only types of counters than can be present in Amonkhet limited.
Imperfected
Member
I mean, Eternalize doesn't have to be a "bring it back fatter" mechanic. You can put it on an 8/8 at half the creature's original cost and have it be a "bring it back smaller" mechanic, too.
charlequin
Banned
Her dad's an ex-Pro Player, which I think explains how she got started so early, lol.
Yes, though it sounds like in this set it's only smaller stuff. But yeah, there's a ton of mostly unexplored room in these "make an X, but a specific size" mechanics.
Remembrance
Member
Bloodshot Trainee with Eternalize would be too obvious, right?
charlequin
Banned
I think they'd be more likely to do a mechanic along the lines of Spikeshot Goblin, but yeah, it's a good place to go with it.
Vizier of Remedies such a dumb card lol
reminder that gp vegas is on https://www.twitch.tv/magic (modern)
reminder that gp vegas is on https://www.twitch.tv/magic (modern)
My point is that -1/-1 counters (as well as auras, equipment, combat tricks, etc.) make the printed power/toughness wrong. So there's the extra step between "his printed P/T is 4/3" and "his actual P/T is 3/2." Which I presume was your concern with eternalizing a 1/1 by putting it on the battlefield with a penny on it: the printed P/T is wrong.
But we're used to that. P/T changes all the time. So how is Eternalize "awful" in a way that Embalm isn't?
Ultimate_Trainer
Member
Wildfire Eternal is gonna be fun in commander. I swing, oh you don't block? Cruel Ultimatum.
People in Commander will certainly block or destroy it or assign a lethal block, in a format with crazy expensive spells they aren't going to give you a free one. Especially with the higher life totals all around.
Eh, there's usually at least one person with no blockers.
At first I was ready to be annoyed because I only saw the Mana Leak line, but adding the option of Impulse in the lategame for once extra mana seems great to me, especially together with Torrential Gearhulk. I do wonder how many copies of this you'll want to play, I'm leaning towards 4.
SigmasonicX
Member
Kind of surprised they'd print a spell that has the "no spells worth countering? I guess I'll draw a card" pattern built into it.
Shocking and unbelievable prediction about the Eternals: the Gatewatch will first encounter just a few and have a really hard time against them. Later they get overwhelmed by an army, but each individually is easier to beat that those first few. Then in subsequent sets, they'll basically be the Putty Patrol.
Shocking and unbelievable prediction about the Eternals: the Gatewatch will first encounter just a few and have a really hard time against them. Later they get overwhelmed by an army, but each individually is easier to beat that those first few. Then in subsequent sets, they'll basically be the Putty Patrol.
charlequin
Banned
One thing I think R&D have (wisely) realized is that the problem with these kinds of play patterns isn't their fundamental gameplay, it's that they were supported by so much power and redundancy that you just iterated them every single turn. This one is a little inefficient and the rest of your deck is gonna have a lot of narrow answers or awkward card advantage engines so this little bit of grease isn't a problem, it actually makes the deck potentially fit a little better in the environment.
They've finally managed to make Modern what it was always supposed to be: a wild, crazy format with a bunch of reasonably viable decks and a lot of high-powered cards flying around. That's what people have wanted for ages and now that it exists they're gonna play a ton of it.
The frame design still has huge problems but they do look much better in person and these are some fantastic choices with some nice art, at least.
Not only that but he plays so slow. Wasting literal minutes most turns.
So happy AJ Sacher lost that game and drew the match. He didn't deserve the win
Wait they are playing g3? lol
That's why people hesitate to call judges for slow play. This guy wasted so much time it's mind-boggling, for example he stopped and read verdant catacombs several times while searching his opponent's deck.
he is terrible. geez.
charlequin
Banned
BTW, Maro confirmed that (unlike the "Warlords of Khanar" thing) "Atlazan" and "Conquest of Power" were just approximation names they came up with to use in the survey, not planned set names that changed.
I dunno, that seems pretty fitting to me? You tap your locusts to tap down all your opponent's creatures and lands.
I dunno, that seems pretty fitting to me? You tap your locusts to tap down all your opponent's creatures and lands.
Those legacy numbers aren't shabby either considering the entry barrier.
What? No, that looks like art for Pestilence, Infest, Plague Wind or something like that.
That art actually depicts me who sees all these new Invocation art getting spoiled.
charlequin
Banned
It's closer to what the card actually does than two people yelling at each other or making head-beamies at each other, tho.
The stream is showing the new-ish Obzedat Goryo's Vengeance deck, which I LOVE.
That was a case of political opposition
(and the 7th edition art was just bad like all the set)
That was a case of political opposition
(and the 7th edition art was just bad like all the set)Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Who shows up to GP without the tokens their deck makes
charlequin
Banned
Seth agrees with me!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Yeah it's fitting to the effect moreso than the name.
Remembrance
Member
Nothing wrong with two people yelling at each other on art.
Nothing wrong with two people yelling at each other on art.
Jace's Defeat is strictly better Gainsay.
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