I know Maro has said they cost colorless answers higher so as to not break the pie by making answers too easily available to colors that shouldn't have them.
Edit: Here's an example
Or maybe this is better
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I know Maro has said they cost colorless answers higher so as to not break the pie by making answers too easily available to colors that shouldn't have them.
Edit: Here's an example
Or maybe this is better
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
IMO Punisher effects are the way to go
It Burns! 1RR
At the beginning of each opponents upkeep It Burns deals two damage to that player for each non-aura enchantment that player controls and 2 damage to the enchanted creature for every aura that player controls
Although the interaction with Pacifism would be a bit funny
It Burns! 1RR
At the beginning of each opponents upkeep It Burns deals two damage to that player for each non-aura enchantment that player controls and 2 damage to the enchanted creature for every aura that player controls
Although the interaction with Pacifism would be a bit funny
You'd control pacifism though and you're not an opponent.
Copperhorn Scout makes sense. Melee seems to be in Naya colors, so it helps you to swing out without leaving yourself too open. Caller of Gales is a little less relevant from what I can see, but, at the very least, it allows you to mess with combats that you're not involved in.I mean there are still a lot of pretty jank commons (Why is Caller of Gales or Copperhorn Scout in this set?) but I do agree overall they seem better than last time. A lot of jank rares also got spoiled at the end but that's kind of par the course for Magic Sets
[EDIT] When it comes to red and enchantments, I think just punishing players for having enchantments is more interesting than having a way to get rid of them. Something like this:
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It might be more interesting but also just a minor annoyance, like that card wouldn't even hose bogles. Templating is off it'd deal X damage where X is twice the number of enchantments.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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R Personify
Sorcery
Target nonland noncreature permanent becomes a creature with power and toughness equal to its converted mana cost plus 1 until end of turn, it gains haste. Deal 1 damage to that creature.
Sorcery
Target nonland noncreature permanent becomes a creature with power and toughness equal to its converted mana cost plus 1 until end of turn, it gains haste. Deal 1 damage to that creature.
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I know Maro has said they cost colorless answers higher so as to not break the pie by making answers too easily available to colors that shouldn't have them.
Yes, that's why I made its cost 3 to only destroy a single enchantment, which white and green can do at 1 mana. Still, I could see it being more like this:
Hex Dispeller - 3
(2), Tap, Sacrifice Hex Dispeller: Destroy target enchantment.
Also, MaRo has specifically shot down suggestions of red getting "destroy target enchantment unless its controller has CARDNAME deal N damage to him or her" and red turning an enchantment into a creature.
charlequin
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Boy it's a good thing Maro is spending his valuable time setting up a group whose purpose is to make sure colors besides blue and white continue to suck in eternal formats for all of eternity. -:/
The thing that's so frustrating about this is that Maro is completely ignorant of these formats - he, more or less by admission, has no clue how Commander works or what the format needs, doesn't understand how to design for Vintage other than to not try, and is doing this purely on principle despite operating from a Standard and limited only perspective. It's a huge downside for these formats now that they can get new cards without going through Standard, and probably the single worst thing about Rosewater as a Head Designer.
Remember folks, an important part of the color pie is that unlike white, blue, black and green, red shouldn't be able to use artifacts to shore up its weaknesses!
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I'm going to get this playmat made for when I run my Prossh deck. So nice.
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Congratulations! Ports are super expensive on MTGO which keeps me from wanting to play Lands.
Totally with you on this. He's dead wrong. He seems to literally hate red.
Thanks!
Yeah I was putting it off for a while but decided to bite the bullet and get them.
I had started getting more and more pieces after EMA had released, but with the lack of a reprint figured now is when they will be cheapest.
I also had the thought they might be reprinted in conspiracy (outside shot at the very best) but since they weren't it solidified my opportunity. The copies I bought were in mp condition but were tcgdirect so the grading is likely to be better than individual sellers.
The total number of good punisher cards in existence can be counted on one hand. Making more punisher cards seems like a bad way to solve a problem.
Nah those cards are still junk. What are you not running so you can play those cards instead? I'm sure 1 out of every 1000 games they are awesome but overall you are just giving up wins with them in your deck.
Nah those cards are still junk. What are you not running so you can play those cards instead? I'm sure 1 out of every 1000 games they are awesome but overall you are just giving up wins with them in your deck.
There are always going to be junk cards in limited, but even if they're junk, they still fit the design of the set.
Wait a long while lol. Prices will flatline eventually.Conspiracy preorder prices are through the roof jesus, gonna wait until I order my cards. Recruiter is $27, Show and Tell is $48. Even IoK is $8!
Duh.
Dragon Egg is playable in EMA limited so that was an odd example to use.
As a multiplayer-focused set I don't see the need to have super duper chaff (which is different than just a weak card). Like Wild Griffin is mediocre, especially in a slower multiplayer format, but its not literal garbage.
The Technomancer
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My single best Conspiracy experience was drafting five Pillarfield Oxs and naming them with Brago's Favor, Muzzio's Preparations, and Secret Summoning. Turns out a 2W 3/5 that tutors for four more copies of itself is pretty good!
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Dragon Egg. I see it as a 22nd or 23rd at best.
More to the point, Conspiracy isn't a super-serious draft format to begin with. It's closer to something like Commander or Planechase than it is to a normal draft set. I'm sure there are plenty of players out there that will use Galler of Gales as a bargaining chip ("Vote this way now and on your turn I'll give your guy flying so you can attack Steve unimpeded and become the monarch!") Even though I'm not personally into that sort of thing, I know there are a lot of people who are.
My fondest Conspiracy shenanigans was having 3 Liliana's Specter that cost 1 less, tutored each other up and entered with a +1/+1 counter. Anytime I could cast one on turn 2 it would ruin everyone's day.
It's really not difficult to think of red ways to destroy enchantments, like
Destroy target enchantment and deal X damage to its controller, where X is its CMC
This might be way too good idk, but it feels suitably red to me, like you're igniting the mana used to cast and maintain it shrug
Destroy target enchantment and deal X damage to its controller, where X is its CMC
This might be way too good idk, but it feels suitably red to me, like you're igniting the mana used to cast and maintain it shrug
For what its worth, I wasn't arguing that Dragon Egg was actively good. - just that in the right deck its not embarrassing. I've seen players I respect use the card to good effect, especially in B/R decks. I can't see the same being said for other cards. Conspiracies and other stuff help that goes for any card I suppose
I got four Doomed Travelers with Secret Summoning and Secrets of Paradise. I'd just mull until I got a Traveler + a bomb. Turn one Traveler, tutor for more, get up to four Travelers on turn two, turn three play a 7+ CMC Angel and wreck face.
And when they boardwipe? Spirits everywhere. Probably the highlight of my drafting history.
I thought Eidelon of the Great Revel would drop and I could buy my 4th copy cheaply. It never did, not to the levels I thought it would (it's actually cheaper now). Co Co will likely drop some, but don't delay too long on buying it once it starts to trend down. It's played pretty regularly in Modern and one of the decks is sure to gain in popularity given this last weekend (Elves, Abzan).
They are running a contest to design a new Magic Online Cube with a dfferent theme than what they currently have. http://magic.wizards.com/en/MTGO/ar...e/announcing-you-make-cube-contest-2016-08-23
4 winners get a playset of Kaladesh digitally (can be redeemed ) and $100 in play points
4 winners get a playset of Kaladesh digitally (can be redeemed ) and $100 in play points
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Yesterday's Daily Update had Conspiracy 2 tokens. The assassin token actually does have haste printed on it, but I imagine that's because it already had one line of rules text allotted for deathtouch.
There are a ton of Easter eggs in the art of Expropriate.
There are a ton of Easter eggs in the art of Expropriate.
oooh nice. A multiplayer cube would be cool, but can you play multiplayer on MTGO? A shame they don't have conspiracies online too.
This interests me greatly.
Yes, there is multiplayer, and no, no one actually uses it.
There is a reason they stopped selling Commander on MTGO
When do we get the first sneak peak at Kaladesh to see what the set is all about? I read somewhere next week Friday but I don't know if that is correct. And is it me, or are they getting better at preventing leaks? I'm pretty sure the judge fiasco has something to do with it.
Previews and Worlds will be at PAX which starts September 1st. Here's the schedule: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/magic-pax-west-2016-07-25
I guess that's where we were getting our leaks from.
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While we're on the topic, a reminder that the current plan is to make a new topic on next Thursday evening (Pacific), thus skipping the first day of the World Championship but being ready for the Kaladesh unveil on Friday morning. The topic title will initially just be "Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - PAX and World Championship livestream" and the OP will be relatively barebones, both of which will be updated on the following Monday, when spoiler season starts. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions?
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Since it seems most prudent to go for a Cube theme that hasn't been done before I have the following options for Cubes I can perfect for submission:
Zendikar/Eldrazi*
Ravnica
Tribal*
Artifact
Pauper
Enchantment
Which ones would people be most interested in hypothetically playing? I think the starred Cubes are in the best shape and need the least adjustments.
Just remember it's a cube that has to hold up for a person doing dozens of draft in a week. I think an enchantment cub would be fun once maybe twice before needing a break
If I had time, I would do an all uncommon cube, which would allow for some powerful stuff. It's tricky dealing with MTGO though- I don't think Sol Ring has an uncommon printing online, for example
Of those, Ravnica and Enchantment seem the most interesting to me.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean, Zendikar format was horrible, and Battle for Zendikar format was passable, so I wouldn't pick that one unless it was just ROE: The Cube.
The top Abzan deck actually wasn't coco. It was midrange, and the rise of dredge seems like it may impact the company build of Abzan if things like grafdiggers cage become more common in sideboards. Not saying that its prevalence isn't really high, but it was printed a ton and seems like it will reduce a fair amount.
I definitely had Cage in my SB during the Syracuse tourney to combat both CoCo and Dredge -- in fact, it won me the match against Abzan. So what you say makes sense. But Elves is potentially going to be a thing going forward.
I forgot I also have an Innistrad/Graveyard Cube in the works that I could push towards "completion" LOL
That goes without saying though I don't think most/any of the Cubes I've made have this problem. Some of these Cubes have been playtested more than others though. Hopefully I can get some folks at the LGS or nearby to help me test.
That goes without saying though I don't think most/any of the Cubes I've made have this problem. Some of these Cubes have been playtested more than others though. Hopefully I can get some folks at the LGS or nearby to help me test.
Yeah it will be interesting to see how things change with Elves winning. I don't think that it will really stay around. It seems to pop up and do well every once in a while and then die down again.
That dude did really well with the deck, and played against a bunch of decks that don't seem to be very good matchups. So maybe there is some staying power with that new elf that the dude threw in.
I played a GB elves deck while practicing, lost every game I couldn't pop off an O-stone or Ugin minus. It's a deck that demands answers.
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