Familienoberhauptvogel
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So standard seems in a bad spot and certainly not because of a stupid card like spell queller that everyone and their mothers called and a lack of graveyard hate.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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Beginning to think part of the reason to a return to once a year rotation was that they couldn't figure out how to make it work with only 5-6 blocks.
SigmasonicX
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By all indications, it was a very sudden change for the developers and designers, not a deliberate design decision. It was almost certainly due to dropping sales numbers and player complaints. I don't see how a lack of hate cards would connect to the rotation change.
The lack of hate cards was DUE to the rotation change.
They were just throwing a bunch of high powered stuff out there assuming things would be turbulent enough to last 6 months.
SigmasonicX
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You misunderstand, by rotation change, I mean the more recent one to make Standard rotations only happen once a year again. I don't think reactions to the lack of hate cards had any bearing on that, given the timeframe.
The lack of hate cards was due to the change to 6 months/3 blocks. They didn't want 1/3 of the cards getting hosed out.
Yes, a full-on hoser would suck. But that there is LITERALLY nothing is stupid. Even something that does like Relic, but instead of exiling it shuffles it back in. Fucking something should be there.
SigmasonicX
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I expect Aether Revolt will have something like this:
Garbage Truck - 2
Artifact - Vehicle
Tap: Exile target card from a graveyard.
Whenever Garbage Truck attacks, name a card type, then exile all cards of that type from defending player's graveyard.
Crew 2
4/4
Garbage Truck - 2
Artifact - Vehicle
Tap: Exile target card from a graveyard.
Whenever Garbage Truck attacks, name a card type, then exile all cards of that type from defending player's graveyard.
Crew 2
4/4
Familienoberhauptvogel
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It's like they looked at SOI and how no one played GY decks and then thought you know what it needs a 2 mana 4/4, better worldly tutor, thoughtseize with surgical extraction tacked on, 6/8 for 5 and a 13/13 for 7 to 9 with protection from instants.
I know that was at least half tongue in cheek, but EDM was straight up done by the time they could gauge anything from SOI.
On that note, I wonder what the absolute latest they've ever ADDED a card to a set is. If R&D realized they missed something obviously over the top and needed to add a card, what's the fast possible turnaround time? I assume it's probably easier to just ban the "obviously broken" strategy, but I'm kind of curious to know if that situation has happened.
On that note, I wonder what the absolute latest they've ever ADDED a card to a set is. If R&D realized they missed something obviously over the top and needed to add a card, what's the fast possible turnaround time? I assume it's probably easier to just ban the "obviously broken" strategy, but I'm kind of curious to know if that situation has happened.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Well they have been reportedly reworking Amonkhet due to the changes.
I think Delirium wouldn't even be so bad if making it so you beat the deck didn't end up with you losing against UW flash.
I think Delirium wouldn't even be so bad if making it so you beat the deck didn't end up with you losing against UW flash.
Wulfric
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This made me giggle for some reason.
Yes to the Ooze. Amonkhet can maybe have Relic of Progenitus maybe? It would be awkward though if we don't go to Alara for next fall.
Infinite Stars
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Well, BFZ is already practically unplayable, so...
I Regret nothing, the fact that the set has 2 non-land cards in the top 20 played non-land Cards in Standard and it's FUCKING Gideon/Stasis Snare is a joke.
Stupid, completely out there guess: Return to Alara will be the fall block because why the hell would they make Progentinus be the GP Promo unless there was some reason.
Wulfric
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To be fair, it wouldn't be too farfetched to go to Alara next year. That's a near guarantee Ajani is getting a card for either Aether Revolt or Amonkhet block. Going to his home plane wouldn't be unreasonable, but that leaves Elspeth's storyline on hold until 2018. Theros rotated in 2015, but even next year seems to soon to go back.
My wild guess:
Aether Revolt (copters goin' crazy yo)
Amonkhet (Gatewatch faces the Egyptian God cards)
Hour of Devastation (Nicol Bolas wins)
Retreat to Alara (Gatewatch unites with the leonin and loxodon)
Alara Strikes Back (no clue about this)
Return to Theros (Dack steals Elspeth's heart)
You mean the Kaladesh that has pretty much become Delirium, Flash and Vehicles?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I haven't played the game in months so I'm in this awkward place where I don't know what people are mad about.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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UW flash is about 30% of the meta and delirium close to 20%.
Yeah, I've completely stopped caring about Standard, and just focus on Modern and Limited. I didn't realize G/B Delrium was still a deck people were angry about lol
eh I like Standard because my deck is viable now, but I've been kinda lax on going to tourneys (money pro'lems)
Friday is gonna be nuts, New 3DS for $99, my commander decks finally, Planechase Anthology (will post pics!)
So much stuff brehs
I also got this kick ass card for Coin Flip Izzet
Even without fixing the odds a three mana wrath INSTANT is fucking gross in EDH
Friday is gonna be nuts, New 3DS for $99, my commander decks finally, Planechase Anthology (will post pics!)
So much stuff brehs
I also got this kick ass card for Coin Flip Izzet
Even without fixing the odds a three mana wrath INSTANT is fucking gross in EDH
Pre-Theros block standard is the golden era to me. Post Zendikar, from Scars to RTR, stopping right before Theros was legal is my favorite era of standard ever. So much variety, powerful strategies, everything had a foil. I look back quite fondly on those times.
Wulfric
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Thinking about taking this deck to standard showdown. It's the weekend of Thanksgiving, so I don't think many people are showing this Saturday. Will this work okay? I think it's kind of slow. I don't own Grim Flayers or Gearhulks, so this is the best I could come up with.
This Aetherworks deck looks pretty cool too.
This Aetherworks deck looks pretty cool too.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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No ishkanas? Always gotta ask yourself how you're beating UW flash.
Joe Molotov
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My local shop is doing Buy 2 Get 1 free on booster boxes, lol. I'm not really looking to pick up 3 boxes of Kaladesh though.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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3 boxes of conspiracy with friends, foil rares from conspiracy are worth a ton if they are the right ones
Infinite Stars
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Not even foil tbh, Recruiter of the Guard is about $15 IIRC. Foil's somewhere arounds $60 though
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Leovold and Kaya are both ~$150 and you're averaging 1 rare foil per box.
Infinite Stars
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Sorry, I meant "It's not just foils rares that are worth a lot", not "Nothing's worth it." Conspiracy 2 has a great return for a box in terms of card prices.
Wait till after the next B/R update if you're going for a deck that might be affected. I think Ari or Todd just had a big article on SCG.(about the format and archetypes)
Thanks guys.
I thought about Affinity, but some people are speculating that Mox Opal will be banned. That seems like a reach to me- affinity is hateable and lantern isn't broken strong- but I was still going to hold off on it in case.
Might just pick up some fetches or snapcaster mages with the 10% credit back deal going on at tcgplayer today.
I thought about Affinity, but some people are speculating that Mox Opal will be banned. That seems like a reach to me- affinity is hateable and lantern isn't broken strong- but I was still going to hold off on it in case.
Might just pick up some fetches or snapcaster mages with the 10% credit back deal going on at tcgplayer today.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper
If you are going to buy into a deck now, Infect and Eldrazi are the safest picks. Infect is likely going to lose Become Immense, but it was already a really good Modern deck before that card was printed, and will likely continue to be a good deck after the ban as well.
Eldrazi has no ban targets, but you need to decide how to approach it quickly. The deck has 2 expensive cards- Cavern of Souls and Engineered Explosives- and is the only real deck in the format that wants either card (Fish is a tier 3 deck that wants some number of caverns), and their presence or absence in MM3 will likely cause some changes to their prices. Id be that Explosives are out (and this could rise up to $80) and Cavern is in (Could get below $20)
KTK fetches and Snappys are definitely solid picks.
Infinite Stars
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Merfolk is not a tier 3 deck. It's Tier 1.5/2. It was tier 1 over the summer following the GP Win, but since then it's been mostly unseen thanks to Dredge being able to outrace it(And kill all it plays)
Otherwise, I agree that those are the safest decks. A third option is Burn, because that deck is never going to be hit by a ban.
I think Eldrazi being "out of control" already happened and was taken care of. Banning Stirrings would also hurt Tron a lot, and Eldrazi, while good, isn't in danger of being too much right now. There are other things to worry about in the format for now (Dredge and Become Immense specifically).
I'm just saying. Affinity is the same right now yet people still worry about Opal, which also hurts Lantern a lot.
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