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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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Are those Aether Revolt spoilers?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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doesn't scrap trawler go infinite with any two thopter or memnite and ravager?
Edit: nvm I think it's lesser.
Edit: nvm I think it's lesser.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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that's the 2nd gameday playmat that shows zero of Kaladesh.
Yeah, they do like to shove the planeswalkers down our throats :/
Holy shit, Maro's list is awful. If I had to rank my preferred return order, it'd be something like:
1) Kamigawa, Lorwyn
2) Rabiah
3) Segoviah, Dominaria
4) Kaladesh, New Phyrexia
5) Vryn, Theros
6) Tarkir, Fiora (in the context of an actual block would be cool)
Would actively prefer never going to Zendikar or Alara ever again. Very tired of Ravnica or Innistrad despite those being planes I loved initially but could see them way down the line. Ambivalent about the rest.
1) Kamigawa, Lorwyn
2) Rabiah
3) Segoviah, Dominaria
4) Kaladesh, New Phyrexia
5) Vryn, Theros
6) Tarkir, Fiora (in the context of an actual block would be cool)
Would actively prefer never going to Zendikar or Alara ever again. Very tired of Ravnica or Innistrad despite those being planes I loved initially but could see them way down the line. Ambivalent about the rest.
charlequin
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Because when they want to do a D&D-style adventure world again they'd rather revisit Zendikar than try to build a new one, and that's probably going to go over way better with people than BFZ did.
It's a 9 because normally they'd never do it but they won't technically rule out having it show up in a flashback set someday. (Like imagine if they do a block that tells some backstory and it includes something from Rath the way Origins did.)
Because they specifically mentioned failing to do anything special for the 20th as a big regret afterwards.
Tarkir they kind of set up the return of the clans storyline tho.
Yeah. That plus Liliana for free in standard seems pretty good, also gets around selfless spirit. Could be playable in modern with ancestral vision, but it might be too slow.
Since when was Zendikar about adventure? It was all about escalation after the Cthulhus escaped from their prison and gone ham on the plane.
If they want adventure, they should bring back the Weatherlight and crew. Now that was a proper D&D campaign setting.
SigmasonicX
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On Reddit, it was noted that Yahenni's Expertise allows you to cast Ancestral Visions from your hand.
Oh lord.
Even before the Eldrazi were released, the lack of civilization building in Zendikar/focus on the Roil made it feel more like a natural disaster/environment oriented plane than D&D. D&D adventuring involves bustling cities, roleplay/dialogue with the world's inhabitants, and evils to undo with their own hideouts/structures. In Zendikar, I felt like the various groups were few and far between and they were all struggling to survive against the world, not villains.
I'd rather they start anew if they want to do D&D adventure again, rather than returning to a post apocalyptic world of weird floating landmasses. It's funny how Maro would rather return here- where they actively screwed up the flavor but got on fond recollections for certain mechanics, limited playstyles, and specific cards- and not Kamigawa, where they hit a flavor home run but screwed up mechanics. Nearly all of the returns thus far should have taught them a lesson- the only thing you can reliably replicate from a plane the first time is its flavor, not its playability.
Or just use Dominaria somehow. It was way better suited for it too.
I'd rather they start anew if they want to do D&D adventure again, rather than returning to a post apocalyptic world of weird floating landmasses. It's funny how Maro would rather return here- where they actively screwed up the flavor but got on fond recollections for certain mechanics, limited playstyles, and specific cards- and not Kamigawa, where they hit a flavor home run but screwed up mechanics. Nearly all of the returns thus far should have taught them a lesson- the only thing you can reliably replicate from a plane the first time is its flavor, not its playability.
Or just use Dominaria somehow. It was way better suited for it too.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Santiako just said so 3 posts ago. The thing that keeps it in check is being tied to resolving and we don't know just yet the mana costs this effect will be available on.
Wulfric
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Yahenni's Expertise (2BB, Game Day Top 8)
All creatures get -3/-3 until end of turn. You may cast a card with converted mana cost 3 or less from your hand without paying its mana cost.
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Scrap Trawler (3, Buy A Box promo?)
Whenever Scrap Trawler or another artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return to your hand target artifact card in your graveyard with lesser converted mana cost.
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Trophy Mage (2U, Game Day participation)
When Trophy Mage enters the battlefield, you may search your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost 3, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
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I'm guessing the Game Day playmat is Chris Rahn's work again? The lighting/musculature is really similar to this:
All creatures get -3/-3 until end of turn. You may cast a card with converted mana cost 3 or less from your hand without paying its mana cost.
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Scrap Trawler (3, Buy A Box promo?)
Whenever Scrap Trawler or another artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return to your hand target artifact card in your graveyard with lesser converted mana cost.
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Trophy Mage (2U, Game Day participation)
When Trophy Mage enters the battlefield, you may search your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost 3, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
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I'm guessing the Game Day playmat is Chris Rahn's work again? The lighting/musculature is really similar to this:
Assuming that Yahenni's Expertise is a mechanic in the set, i'm curious how often it shows up, what restrictions it has and and what rarities.
I'm perfectly fine with it being absurd with the zero mana Suspend spells- you need to have both in your hand at the same time, and especially with Vision, it creates an interesting game- if you have a Vision in your hand with no Yahenni's Expertis, you probably want to suspend it, as it gets you the cards in a few turns, but there is incentive to hold the card to hope you draw a Yahenni's Expertis.
I'm perfectly fine with it being absurd with the zero mana Suspend spells- you need to have both in your hand at the same time, and especially with Vision, it creates an interesting game- if you have a Vision in your hand with no Yahenni's Expertis, you probably want to suspend it, as it gets you the cards in a few turns, but there is incentive to hold the card to hope you draw a Yahenni's Expertis.
Infinite Stars
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Stupid combo:
Yaheeni's Expertise + Flaying Tendrils= 4 Mana -5/-5 effect, with all creatures that die being exiled if I'm understanding the card right.
Yaheeni's Expertise + Flaying Tendrils= 4 Mana -5/-5 effect, with all creatures that die being exiled if I'm understanding the card right.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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doesn't it resolve top to bottom so the -3/-3 applies first and all it kills go to the yard then the -2/-2 happens and all that kills go to exile?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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You just described the two most interesting characters from the Lorwyn 5 that both have been pushed aside for generic walking cliches
SigmasonicX
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Sorry, didn't see that.
Anyway, I doubt this will be a full mechanic. It doesn't have an ability word, and they rarely do unlabeled mechanics anymore, especially unusual ones like this.
I like Ajani as a supporting character, but I think he makes an uninteresting protagonist.
Also, Garruk's not dead. He's just kind of doing his own thing and killing any planeswalkers that bother him.
[EDIT] Also, FYI, the Aether Revolt story starts tomorrow. It won't have a preview card, but the first preview isn't far off, according to Allison.
Also, Garruk's not dead. He's just kind of doing his own thing and killing any planeswalkers that bother him.
[EDIT] Also, FYI, the Aether Revolt story starts tomorrow. It won't have a preview card, but the first preview isn't far off, according to Allison.
I would like him a lot more if they went full on Naya with him and let him have some fire. He's so boring right now. Like, I get it, his colors are the two Bolas isn't. But it's stupid that he's basically a walking hug.
Infinite Stars
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I do. Dude is legitimately one of the better Planeswalkers in their roster characterwise. He's a healer who went semi-rage mode, Whopped Bolas' ass, and generally is the best Mentor figure. He's going to hopefully serve in narrative as a way for the Gatewatch to refocus itself post Kaladesh
Which is why it's going to suck when some Threat kills him Obi-wan style
No lies detected.
My issue is that presumably the spell being cast resolves before the first part does. You cast Expertise, All creatures get -3/-3, then you may cast the spell.
You're probably right
Yeah, it works the opposite of Cascade, which was different because it was a cast trigger. With this card the second spell doesn't go on the stack until just before Expertise finishes resolving and won't resolve till afterwards.
Wulfric
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Lol I'll post it on furry gaf. He's got those arms like Gids <3
Huh, what? I don't see another other planeswalkers going head to head with Nicol Bolas. And I swear I see less people clamoring for Nissa than Ajani. The whole reason Garruk and Ajani are designed the way they are is to provide contrast for the relatively slim silhouettes of Jace, Chandra, and Lili. Now we're stuck with Gideon and Nissa, who are both pretty darn boring to me.
Man, Garruk needs to come back. I want another B/G planeswalker before he is either killed or cured. Probably the former if Wizards has their way.
Ajani's going to go down against Bolas, mark my words. Right in front of the Gatewatch, and his last words will be "Find... Elspeth.... Theros..."
They'll galvanize and whoop Bolas' ass right off Amonkhet.
Anyway, Gids is the best name that came out of the stories recently.
shrapnelmagnet
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Yahenni's Expertise seems fun - Even in a casual deck (though, -3/-3 might not be enough)
Anger of the Gods in Modern?
Reflector Mage? Liliana? Mournwillow?
I think I'm bad at this, lol
Anger of the Gods in Modern?
Reflector Mage? Liliana? Mournwillow?
I think I'm bad at this, lol
Maro loves Zendikar because it's one of his best examples of 'everyone disagreed with me, I forced them to do it, I was proven right again!' That he likes to use in his stories. Again. And again. And again.
For me Zendikar was a failure thematically from the start (it never really felt like a land set to me, and I think landfall was a fairly crappy mechanic the way they implemented it). I also think worldwake was a terribly dull set.
Also, Zendikar sold extremely well, and maro puts a lot of stake in sales - see the continued defense of Avacyn restored. Kamigawa did not sell well, Zendikar did, so that colors his thoughts.
Pretty telling in that SaffonOlive article that the only color that hasn't had a banned card yet is Red.
RED UNDERPOWERED FOREVER
Wulfric
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Does anyone else really want to visit Fiora for a standard block? I love that medieval/fantasy vibe that it has. Leovold can charge tariffs and whatever. Also we could see Marchesa get cornered by Liliana in the throne room or something.
I'm cool with Kamigawa too. That way we can get a Legendary Fox Spirit creature.
I'm cool with Kamigawa too. That way we can get a Legendary Fox Spirit creature.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The thing with Maro is that if you're going to read anything he says, to parse useful information from it you have to recognize in advance he can't see the forest through the trees. He's overly concerned with bizarre minutae that don't matter to most people while simultaneously believing that he has a good grasp on what it is that makes players tick because he takes sales and focus group feedback that we don't have access to extremely seriously. But it should be painfully apparent he doesn't *actually* know what players want - there's a reason why he fought to have the G/R Werewolf included in Eldritch Moon, but in context its one of the most tonedeaf examples of design in recent memory.
The recent sets already feel focus group'd as fuck. Other than BFZ which felt like they forgot to show the set to anyone before putting it in boosters.
The recent sets already feel focus group'd as fuck. Other than BFZ which felt like they forgot to show the set to anyone before putting it in boosters.
Every single planeswalker not in the gatewatch > Gatewatch PWs
The need to embody 1 color and only 1 color just makes all of them feel really 2 dimensional and predictable.
Edit: Knew I'd find a caveat if I thought hard enough about it- Liliana is more interesting than Bobby Nixon, if only because they had to find a way to take a previously malovolent PW and give her enough character to make her a part of the power rangers while Ob just goes full ham as a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
The need to embody 1 color and only 1 color just makes all of them feel really 2 dimensional and predictable.
Edit: Knew I'd find a caveat if I thought hard enough about it- Liliana is more interesting than Bobby Nixon, if only because they had to find a way to take a previously malovolent PW and give her enough character to make her a part of the power rangers while Ob just goes full ham as a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem with MTG's story (and thus, the Gatewatch) is that it isn't any fun. It takes itself super fucking seriously and in a way that makes all the characters annoying to deal with.
Even if you stripped, say, Warcraft's storyline to MTG levels of complexity, its by nature just a much more fun story. Remember when they had that story set on Ravnica right before Kaladesh and it showed the Planeswalkers hanging around doing regular people stuff and had a couple of in-jokes like Gideon's constant shirtlessness? That was like the best Gatewatch chapter they ever did because it was the only one that gave anyone outside of Liliana Vess even a ounce of personality.
Even if you stripped, say, Warcraft's storyline to MTG levels of complexity, its by nature just a much more fun story. Remember when they had that story set on Ravnica right before Kaladesh and it showed the Planeswalkers hanging around doing regular people stuff and had a couple of in-jokes like Gideon's constant shirtlessness? That was like the best Gatewatch chapter they ever did because it was the only one that gave anyone outside of Liliana Vess even a ounce of personality.
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