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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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You say this after Ajani beat him in a 1v1? Green behind the ears new PW Ajani no less.
But Ajani was mad.
I still like that he's the colors Bolas isn't. It's actually good (if accidental) planning on their conflict.
Infinite Stars
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Don't think I can continue discussing with you then
I'm willing to believe that an editor added it in, but considering the author didn't include shitty outdated Memes in Meren's story or the Gitrog Monster( You know he would have included Hypno-toad jokes if he wanted to), I don't see him adding it. Odds are likely he went with Liliana mocking him in a similar tone then editorial decided "LET'S MAKE MEMES"
Ajani beat Bolas by effectively pulling out a Deflecting Palm technique, didn't he? He just reflected Bolas' magic back at him. I'd hardly count that as a "Bolas is weak" moment.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'm eh on Ajani but Tezzeret is esper incarnate yet he's being kept at UB which he only was after being corrupted by Bolas which supposedly is gone now.
I think it's becoming quite clear from recent Online Magic Stories About Characters You Recognize From All Your Cardboards that WotC is trying very hard to increase interest among young (12-18) players. Memes are just another way of doing that. (And coming across as an old, out of touch uncle at the same time.)
In fact, we know the game is growing, but I'd love to see growth numbers among younger players. This whole change in storytelling seems aimed specifically at creating a new generation of players, not something that's meant for established older players.
In fact, we know the game is growing, but I'd love to see growth numbers among younger players. This whole change in storytelling seems aimed specifically at creating a new generation of players, not something that's meant for established older players.
I can get behind the idea that editorial added it in after, but I'd just like to clarify that just because someone didn't do something before doesn't mean they can't/won't do something in the future. What a horribly odd line of logic to follow. He absolutely could have written it.
That said, why are you making the discussion about that? I don't care WHO put it in. Why does that matter? The fact that it was in at all and it made it to our eyes is horrible. It lessens the value of the product just by being there.
It actually felt like them trying to expand demographics for me - like they felt they were hitting a ceiling w/ male players.
Infinite Stars
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It's a bad joke, but it's not like it's the worst thing in an Uncharted Realms since BFZ. It's better then Memerakul or Ashaya, and unlike those two it's not this huge portion of the story. It's a joke that's a bit off to some people, much like a joke about Twitter in Moana has been called awful by a lot of people.
The point is, it's one bad joke in an otherwise decent Magic Story. I don't see why it's this big issue. It's cringeworthy, but it's not the worst thing since they started this whole narrative function of the stories. The story serves to help illustrate the conflict inside "Mr. Law and Order" Gideon and why he's going to be helping the rebels.
I do agree that it's not the worst thing we've seen from a quality standpoint. Coffee-drinking aside, the story isn't the worst. Chandra still has an awful "voice" though. However, it's a big deal to me because it's a peek into what is and isn't acceptable. Quality should be key, and something like that looks bad and may be the harbinger of more "jokes" like it. Also, I believe it's an indication of who they're targeting. As others have said, they're likely trying to grab a younger audience. Which is fine. But YA writing doesn't have to be awful.
Chandra is the fucking worst because ANYONE CAN WRITE HER
Jace: Where's Chandra?
Liliana: Oh sorry, I had to tell her that she couldn't make the food this time. We're tired of seeing all the hotdogs burnt.
Gideon: CHANDRA, STOP BURNING THE TREES! WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE FIREWOOD!
Liliana: She's just angry.
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Jace: Where's Chandra?
Liliana: Oh sorry, I had to tell her that she couldn't make the food this time. We're tired of seeing all the hotdogs burnt.
Gideon: CHANDRA, STOP BURNING THE TREES! WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE FIREWOOD!
Liliana: She's just angry.
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Doesn't even have to be that. Just "grumpy" anywhere NEAR him will get the desired response. Any sort of cat memes and we're done.
Nyan cat, anything. It's all over, meme magic is real, it literally has "magic" in the name
No... no, they'd have to literally call him Grumpy Cat for it to be the meme. Him being grumpy and someone saying he's grumpy is not the equivalent of what happened here.
Yeah. The writers don't seem nuanced enough to tiptoe around a meme. It'd be like:
TheBlackMarvel
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Not gonna lie, "He was powerful. He was witty. And women liked him." had me laughing.
Wulfric
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XD They would totally publish that.
Can you write the stories from now until forever? Thanks.
platypotamus
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He didn't win that Hugo for nothing you guys
Infinite Stars
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Not going to lie, I would love it if the story went full on cheese like this. It would be awful, but it would be amazing in its awfulness.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
whats the point of a sideboard in a commander deck
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I forgot the name but are you playing the kicker clone spell that's a ohko with Vela?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
IDK why would you call it a sideboard if its not a sideboard
Wishlist seems appropriate
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Pretty sure it's copy pasta from tapped out.
deckbox outputs it like that.
is that not rite of replication?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Yeah didn't want to go through the list card by card.
I mean, I'll write bad MTG stories all day, every day if WotC pays me, but, damn, it's harder to write bad MTG stories than it would be to write good MTG stories.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Isn't it amazing that what took AG 1 week in the beta took the magic community at large months w/r/t Aetherworks Marvel.
charlequin
Banned
Yeah, I agree that taking itself too seriously is way worse than taking it too lightly. In this case I think the problem is just that the joke bombs. The shirts thing was much better.
When was that exactly? Was it when the first three years of the game had completely incoherent stories that weren't represented at all on the cards? Or when they took control of the story and gave it to people too stupid to recognize that you put a Star Trek crew in an adventure story instead of an endless parade of horror? Or maybe during the Otaria era with the incoherent barbarian hero and the book so bad they literally had to remove it entirely from canon?
It's not 12-18 year olds, it's 16-24 year old women (aka the stereotypical tumblr audience), a group that is seriously under-represented but has huge growth potential, and who tend to be tastemakers in a lot of pop culture contexts.
Because it's an extremely popular flavor of fanfiction.
It reminds me how comic books are chasing that audience as well now.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Which Otaria book had to be removed from canon or do you mean the PW books that were removed from canon. Which kinda back his point.
Also the Otaria era was the high point of magic storytelling it not only involved most of the legendaries of the sets, it went through most of the relevant areas. It had a tremendous amount of character growth and deterioration for the protagonists. Karona sucked though.
At least they had several stages of escalation with plot twists. Current writing is basically: scenario -> escalation -> resolution, partly because of the two set block structure. I'll reiterate that the change to a two set block structure was more damaging than most of us anticipated.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I haven't really played much standard, so I was a little surprised to see that the most common Aetherworks deck still played is basically the same R/G deck I was posting about during beta and was playing at Kaladesh launch. The numbers are a little different but it has practically all of the same ideas.
SigmasonicX
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Jesus, you guys get hung up on the dumbest things. I didn't even notice that line when reading.
Magic Story - Quiet Moments
* Weeks have passed, and Gideon is unsure of what they're really doing there. They came to help Chandra, but Gideon is uncomfortable with taking sides in this conflict. The others have told him that Tezzeret is dangerous, but they only learned his involvement after they got involved, and he's uncertain that talking to the Consulate to root him out wouldn't have been a better solution.
* Chandra remains insistent on helping the Renegades, and Gideon has a hard time supporting the Consulate given what they did to Kiran Nalaar.
* He insists on not killing the soldiers, which Liliana mocks, especially given that he wants to recruit more Renegades to form an army.
* Later, Gideon fights a tank and destroys it. Saheeli is there, turning scraps into fighting machines.
* Saheeli has learned Tezzeret's location, in the Aether Spire. It will be heavily guarded, and he has Rashmi there.
* Saheeli wants another person to help infiltrate, and Liliana volunteers.
* Pia suggests that as a distraction, they take the Aether Hub. Pia's been working on something big, and it will need that power.
I thought Gideon's introspection was interesting. Overall, it was a fine story.
Magic Story - Quiet Moments
* Weeks have passed, and Gideon is unsure of what they're really doing there. They came to help Chandra, but Gideon is uncomfortable with taking sides in this conflict. The others have told him that Tezzeret is dangerous, but they only learned his involvement after they got involved, and he's uncertain that talking to the Consulate to root him out wouldn't have been a better solution.
* Chandra remains insistent on helping the Renegades, and Gideon has a hard time supporting the Consulate given what they did to Kiran Nalaar.
* He insists on not killing the soldiers, which Liliana mocks, especially given that he wants to recruit more Renegades to form an army.
* Later, Gideon fights a tank and destroys it. Saheeli is there, turning scraps into fighting machines.
* Saheeli has learned Tezzeret's location, in the Aether Spire. It will be heavily guarded, and he has Rashmi there.
* Saheeli wants another person to help infiltrate, and Liliana volunteers.
* Pia suggests that as a distraction, they take the Aether Hub. Pia's been working on something big, and it will need that power.
I thought Gideon's introspection was interesting. Overall, it was a fine story.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's not still played but now played, Aetherworks almost completely vanished after the PT.
It got me through the work day haha
Wulfric
Member
*cut scene to can of Folgers on the kitchen counter*
Man, there's something new every time you read this piece. I'm not that upset about the story, but I just kinda roll my eyes and move on. They really need some sort of style guide for the stories like they do for the art. I'm honestly not sure if they want me to take it seriously or not.
In all honesty, it's just not meant for us anymore.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
When did gideon go from stalker with a temper and prejudice to calm and collected?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
At least Gideon doesn't love Cup Noodles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9PN8pzSn2Q&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9PN8pzSn2Q&feature=youtu.be
Infinite Stars
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The wierd part about the stories in hindsight is.. they feel sanitized. Despite Agents of Artifice being canon/Purifying Fire being partially canon, there's no hints of the actual relationships there. Even Eldritch Moon, a set that was Lovecraftian in origin, still felt samey in regards to it's structure and narrative. As Onpoint brought up, each world has an art guide to convey it, so I'm struggling to see why there's not a story guide. The best stories from the past 3 blocks have focused on this imo(One of the Zendikari stories, Gitrog Toad, and Born of Aether), while the worse just act like another Gatewatch Adventure.
Probably around the time Ajani was deemed "Not relatable" during the creation of the Gatewatch.
shrapnelmagnet
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RE: Shitty meme joke.
I feel like MaRo's dislike of people making fun of / disrespecting the story rings hollow when they don't seem to respect it themselves.
For reference.
I feel like MaRo's dislike of people making fun of / disrespecting the story rings hollow when they don't seem to respect it themselves.
For reference.
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