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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4

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Urza can't be grixis+ he and Mishra are mirrors of each other and Mishra was grixis. That leaves Jeskai or Esper which I'd lean towards Jeskai since he never got corrupted by Phyrexia.

Putting aside that the four-color thing is pretty much spelled out in the text, part of the whole deal with Urza is that he picks up a lot from his brother after he kills him, including a serious black bent. I think Brothers' War era he's Jeskai and picks up black from palling around with Phyrexians, making plans to serve his own goals that kill his allies, etc.
 

Wulfric

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Has anyone seen this in stores? It looks like a spindown and a pack of every standard set plus one random pack.

It feels like a WotC product, considering Jace is on the box. 3rd party distributors usually have generic blister packaging with the retail promo on the front. I never did find the ones with Azusa. :(

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Has anyone seen this in stores? It looks like a spindown and a pack of every standard set plus one random pack.

It feels like a WotC product, considering Jace is on the box. 3rd party distributors usually have generic blister packaging with the retail promo on the front. I never did find the ones with Azusa. :(

Who can resist the mystery box?!
 

OnPoint

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Putting aside that the four-color thing is pretty much spelled out in the text, part of the whole deal with Urza is that he picks up a lot from his brother after he kills him, including a serious black bent. I think Brothers' War era he's Jeskai and picks up black from palling around with Phyrexians, making plans to serve his own goals that kill his allies, etc.

So we're going with Urza being zero-sum green?

I can get behind that.
 

norm9

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Picked up a deck builders kit, the one with a dude with a leather trench coat and a light blue spirit on the cover, while I wait for welcome kits from WOTC to come though so I can destroy potential kids at my work in a few weeks. Hope there's some good zombie/vampire cards and not too many thoptors and vehicles.
 

Wulfric

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Picked up a deck builders kit, the one with a dude with a leather trench coat and a light blue spirit on the cover, while I wait for welcome kits from WOTC to come though so I can destroy potential kids at my work in a few weeks. Hope there's some good zombie/vampire cards and not too many thoptors and vehicles.

lol, that's Jace, and you'll be seeing him quite often. :)

The welcome decks tend to be pretty generic and not specific to any particular world. This cheaper blue/black deck only uses vampires/zombies.

I can recommend a few cards though if you don't wanna copy a list straight up:

Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
Cryptbreaker
Prized Anaglam
Stormkirk Condemned
Olivia, Mobilized For War
 

norm9

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lol, that's Jace, and you'll be seeing him quite often. :)

The welcome decks tend to be pretty generic and not specific to any particular world. This cheaper blue/black deck only uses vampires/zombies.

I can recommend a few cards though if you don't wanna copy a list straight up:

Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
Cryptbreaker
Prized Anaglam
Stormkirk Condemned
Olivia, Mobilized For War

Cool! I'm gonna crack open the box tonight and see if those cards are inside. There are four booster packs inside too for fun lottery randomness.

Yeah, I zero interest in following a championship deck or whatever. I just want some cool creatures/cards. Got myself some sleeves too so I look pro.
 

Wulfric

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Cool! I'm gonna crack open the box tonight and see if those cards are inside. There are four booster packs inside too for fun lottery randomness.

Yeah, I zero interest in following a championship deck or whatever. I just want some cool creatures/cards. Got myself some sleeves too so I look pro.

Totally, and welcome! I agree, there's no need to jump in the deep end too soon. Keep in mind that buying individual cards is going to be cheaper than buying $4 packs and hoping you open the cards you want.

If you haven't gotten sleeves yet, the most durable ones are Dragon Shield and KMC Hyper Matte. Ultra Pro has colored sleeves and sleeves with designs, but they're prone to spliting quickly.

Here are some other cards from Shadows Over Innistrad that are a few dollars.
 

norm9

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Couldn't help myself and cracked open three of the four boosters first. Gonna save the last one for tomortoe. From what I could tell, the best cards from all the packs i got are:

Thing In The Ice- turns into a 7/8 kraken after doing 4 spells/instants.
Pick The Brain- I can see opponent's hand and exile a card.
Conduit of Ruin- costs 6 mana and it's 5/5. But, any future creature costs 2 mana less. Not sure if it'll ever be useful though.

I will build around these cards and the ones you suggested.

Eta- couldn't help myself and cracked open last booster. Best card is maybe the Desolation Twin but it requires 10 (?!) mana. From playing Magic Duels Origins on my xbox, I know I'm definitely dead way before 10.

Opening cards was fun though. A real rush.
 
Putting aside that the four-color thing is pretty much spelled out in the text, part of the whole deal with Urza is that he picks up a lot from his brother after he kills him, including a serious black bent. I think Brothers' War era he's Jeskai and picks up black from palling around with Phyrexians, making plans to serve his own goals that kill his allies, etc.
I can get behind this Brothers War era is just how I always picture Urza.
 
Yeah, Urza is Null-Green. By the time he dies, he's effectively manipulated a lot of shit and had a lot of people die so he can have his (ultimately) good goal done. That's Orzhov to the bone.

Also, it's amusing to me how Urza's every color but Green when Green is the only color that has characters who can stop the oil.
 
Surprised to hear this
whitedudeontheinternet asked: How can be so certain of un-sets versus Kamigawa today? Kamigawa has more mystique, and Un-sets have more stigma from enfranchised players who would buy these packs.

I don’t have uncertainty. Unglued, Unhinged, Champions of Kamigawa, Betrayers of Kamigawa and Saviors of Kamigawa all currently exist. Stores sell these packs.

There’s data right now on how they sell and that data says that the Un-sets sell better than the Kamigawa sets.

That’s why I don’t need a poll. There is actual data on which players prefer to buy.

Planeswalker Decks are considered to be successful so far.

Response to Kamigawa appearing in supplemental products was decent but not amazing.

Also, MaRo brought up again the fact that Karn is genderless and that resulted in a guy complaining that they already have Ashiok, so they don't need another one.
 

Ashodin

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totally fine with it being genderless, genders him immediately... logic?

GOT YOU

I'm sure Karn would not care what gendered term you use to describe him. Dude is a robot. Just because something is genderless doesn't mean you can't use gendered pronouns. If I prefer to call him a him rather than a her, Karn would be just like "ok if that makes it easier for you to communicate with me, sure"

plus in the novels he's always been referred to in the masculine
 

Wulfric

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Couldn't help myself and cracked open three of the four boosters first. Gonna save the last one for tomortoe. From what I could tell, the best cards from all the packs i got are:

I will build around these cards and the ones you suggested.

Eta- couldn't help myself and cracked open last booster. Best card is maybe the Desolation Twin but it requires 10 (?!) mana. From playing Magic Duels Origins on my xbox, I know I'm definitely dead way before 10.

Opening cards was fun though. A real rush.

Umm yeah Desolation Twin is sweet but good luck getting it on the field. If you have Aetherworks Marvel and Aether Hub you can make an energy deck and try jamming the Twin in there.

Thing In the Ice is played in a blue/red deck. You literally cast your whole hand as fast as possible in order to flip that thing. It's a whole lot easier in modern though.

Also, MaRo brought up again the fact that Karn is genderless and that resulted in a guy complaining that they already have Ashiok, so they don't need another one.

Well, Karn came first, so I guess by that guy's logic shouldn't Ashiok be the one to go? :/

Smh, there's no quota when it comes to that stuff. If it makes sense for the character then do it. Also Karn is a kickass robot who won't care if you call Karn "he" or "it". The one character I have a problem with is Kaya, if only because we heard of her for like two weeks and then she was never seen again. I might change my mind if she ends up on Theros, where a ghost assassin might actually come in handy.
 
GOT YOU

I'm sure Karn would not care what gendered term you use to describe him. Dude is a robot. Just because something is genderless doesn't mean you can't use gendered pronouns. If I prefer to call him a him rather than a her, Karn would be just like "ok if that makes it easier for you to communicate with me, sure"

plus in the novels he's always been referred to in the masculine
Novels don't count anymore. I referred to Karn as "him" myself just considered the post funny.
 
I'd like to see some of the old planeswalkers get cards, even if they're just in supplementary sets. I'd also like to see more flip-walkers, especially for new planeswalkers.
 

OnPoint

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Smh, there's no quota when it comes to that stuff. If it makes sense for the character then do it. Also Karn is a kickass robot who won't care if you call Karn "he" or "it". The one character I have a problem with is Kaya, if only because we heard of her for like two weeks and then she was never seen again. I might change my mind if she ends up on Theros, where a ghost assassin might actually come in handy.

Wait, why Theros?
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Unsets are a huge waste of everyone's time and I wish someone at WOTC would legit tell Maro to stop wasting everyone's time taking about them. They sucked and Maro's sense of humor generally sucks.
 
Unsets are a huge waste of everyone's time and I wish someone at WOTC would legit tell Maro to stop wasting everyone's time taking about them. They sucked and Maro's sense of humor generally sucks.
They should just make holiday promos more accessible. I really want a Thopter Pie Network for EDH and if anyone's bothered I can replace it with Thorner Spy Network.
 

Ashodin

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Unsets are a huge waste of everyone's time and I wish someone at WOTC would legit tell Maro to stop wasting everyone's time taking about them. They sucked and Maro's sense of humor generally sucks.
You can't stop it. MaRo literally bubbles at the surface with jokes. There's been so much released since unhinged that there's gotta be amazing jokes ready.
 

Maledict

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You can't stop it. MaRo literally bubbles at the surface with jokes. There's been so much released since unhinged that there's gotta be amazing jokes ready.

His jokes aren't funny - at all. There was literally nothing in either sets that raised a smile from me. Bad puns and ass jokes really aren't the highlight of comedy for me.

Love his podcast and listening to him, but his sense of humour is definitely not universal. The funniest thing he does is when he says shenanigans repeatedly... ;-)
 
Unsets are a huge waste of everyone's time and I wish someone at WOTC would legit tell Maro to stop wasting everyone's time taking about them. They sucked and Maro's sense of humor generally sucks.

His jokes aren't funny - at all. There was literally nothing in either sets that raised a smile from me. Bad puns and ass jokes really aren't the highlight of comedy for me.

Love his podcast and listening to him, but his sense of humour is definitely not universal. The funniest thing he does is when he says shenanigans repeatedly... ;-)

But there were some good ideas in there. Meld, for example.
 

Maledict

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But there were some good ideas in there. Meld, for example.

That's fine, he has normal sets to play with new and interesting mechanics. The fact that we got level up cards, double faced cards and more without an unset shows he doesn't need an unset to go crazy design wise.

The sets were complete failures in terms of sales, and hopefully wizards won't ever devote another minute of time on them. Also worth noting that the first unset came just before Urzas Saga, the most broken block of all time. They would have been better off just spending those resources on making urzas better, given how much that block ended up costing them.
 

red13th

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Maro's jokes are terrible. Literally the only good thing about Un-sets is in Zendikar already so fuck them, and fuck Maro for talking about them. Geee they sold better than Kamigawa, what an acomplishment. Ugh I hate Maro.

EDIT: Also if they can only think about meld cards and split cards and whatever wacky mechanics in Unsets before they go black border, they should change the way they design sets, not design shitty pointless sets with shitty pointless jokes.
 

jph139

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I like Un-sets but the idea of UN-UN-UN draft sounds awful. It's a funky spice to add to your otherwise normal draft. A full-on Unhinged draft is like eating a condiment sandwich.

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I love nonsense like that.
 
The logic of "Kamigawa doesn't sell so that means the plane is disliked/bad" remains so utterly bizarre and just smacks of the risk that comes from metrics-focused business thinking (e.g. Getting caught up on the wrong metrics). Now, I'm not saying Kamigawa is actually popular or that it would be wise to go back there, just that there are much more sound reasons for reaching those conclusions.

Unsets are a huge waste of everyone's time and I wish someone at WOTC would legit tell Maro to stop wasting everyone's time taking about them. They sucked and Maro's sense of humor generally sucks.

Honestly, I'd be OK if MaRo gave up on printing a set and just released some of the stuff he designed. The most interesting part of Un-sets was always reading the spoiler and seeing weird mechanics rather than actually buying/playing with them.
 
Was exactly my thought. I'm not sure what sense her being a "ghost assassin" makes on Theros. The Gods aren't "spirits", though maybe there's some overlap if they wanted to plot it that way.

With that said, if they're infiltrating the underworld to rescue Elspeth, Kaya could come in really handy.
 

OnPoint

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With that said, if they're infiltrating the underworld to rescue Elspeth, Kaya could come in really handy.
This could be true. Would be nice to have the new Orzhov 'walker hanging out with the main crew as well, since Sorin has basically been iced for the immediate future.
 
This could be true. Would be nice to have the new Orzhov 'walker hanging out with the main crew as well, since Sorin has basically been iced for the immediate future.

I'm still annoyed by Nahiri just negating Sorin like that. How the fuck did she figure out how to negate ALL of his abilities like that?
Ass-pull, that's how.
 
Totally fine with Karn being genderless

my boy good, just focus on being badass

I take immediate exception to Wizards trying to be super PC about stuff. In this case we seem to throw the whole Karn/Jhoira relationship out the window. Karn has always been presented as male and has not been presented as ambiguous in any way. He is literally Urza + Gerard at this point. He doesn't have junk to swing around sure, but lets not act like he hasn't been effectively Male.

This is like playing up how Indian Kaladesh is and then finding out Kaladesh is barely Indian at all. They're just going for points with the crowd that wants to hear it.
 

OnPoint

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I'm still annoyed by Nahiri just negating Sorin like that. How the fuck did she figure out how to negate ALL of his abilities like that?
Ass-pull, that's how.

That whole scenario could have been written better. I don't want to go down the Sorin V Nahiri convo path in this thread again. You've already triggered Ashodin professing his love for Nahiri in a future post lol

I'm just happy Sorin will have a chance to come back later on with some kind of other motivation besides saving/protecting Innistrad. He has the potential to be much more interesting.
 
I take immediate exception to Wizards trying to be super PC about stuff. In this case we seem to throw the whole Karn/Jhoira relationship out the window. Karn has always been presented as male and has not been presented as ambiguous in any way. He is literally Urza + Gerard at this point. He doesn't have junk to swing around sure, but lets not act like he hasn't been effectively Male.

This is like playing up how Indian Kaladesh is and then finding out Kaladesh is barely Indian at all. They're just going for points with the crowd that wants to hear it.

How do you figure? I can't recall any time where Karn has demonstrated any real care or interest in their gender or how they're referred to. Karn has more important shit to worry about than pronouns. And I'm not sure what their relationship with Jhoira has to do with this.

Besides, if we can't to get who Karn is or isn't then you have the fact that Karn's heartstone is from Xantcha and that was the entire source of Karn being Karn instead of just an automaton, so it's really not a great hole to go down.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
That whole scenario could have been written better. I don't want to go down the Sorin V Nahiri convo path in this thread again. You've already triggered Ashodin professing his love for Nahiri in a future post lol

I'm just happy Sorin will have a chance to come back later on with some kind of other motivation besides saving/protecting Innistrad. He has the potential to be much more interesting.

Hopefully not. I'm tired of his boring super badass 1000 year old vampire walker face.
 
Sam Stoddard on Kaladesh standard: "One of the big discussions internally is about the strength of answers versus the strength of threats and whether we have swung too far onto the threats end." Getting the message!

His jokes aren't funny - at all.

C'mon. Not even Look at Me, I'm the DCI? Or Who//What//Where//When//Why?

The logic of "Kamigawa doesn't sell so that means the plane is disliked/bad" remains so utterly bizarre and just smacks of the risk that comes from metrics-focused business thinking (e.g. Getting caught up on the wrong metrics).

I mean, I think this is an issue when you talk about, say, Time Spiral or Lorwyn block, but with Kamigawa over the years they've really covered in pretty thoroughly; if Rosewater's falling back on sales now it's just because it's been a decade of people absolutely refusing to believe him about the set no matter how much he explains it.

I mean, the full case against Kamigawa is something like: it sold worse than both the other blocks around it; it had a primary theme that was extremely unpopular at the time and only picked up any real traction years later thanks to Commander; it had a setting that hinted at something popular (basically, anime fantasy) while not actually being much like it; the art direction and card naming made distinguishing half the cards in each set so difficult it actively inhibited play; all the popular tribal types were left out thus hurting one element of casual appeal, and the most appealing ones in this setting were given their own parasitic new types; lots of mechanical themes in general that were parasitic and didn't impact larger formats; smack dab in the middle of Magic's creative nadir where art and general concepting were forgettable and poorly done; tons of unexciting garbage-y rares without a lot of really exciting chase cards; no new mechanics people really liked; the block ended with Saviors of Kamigawa which is one of the five worst sets of all time.

But saying all that in response to each question ask is kind of ponderous so just pointing to one piece of quantitative evidence kind of makes sense.

Honestly, I'd be OK if MaRo gave up on printing a set and just released some of the stuff he designed. The most interesting part of Un-sets was always reading the spoiler and seeing weird mechanics rather than actually buying/playing with them.

They just need to include silver-border cards in a set of premade decks instead of trying to sell boosters. They already have a slot for odd casual-oriented products each year anyway; this would let them burn their 40 best ideas or whatever (instead of trying to come up with 200 that also can be drafted, etc.) and make them focus on cards that play well in a specific context since they're shipping in prebuilt decks.

How do you figure? I can't recall any time where Karn has demonstrated any real care or interest in their gender or how they're referred to.

Yeah, Karn really hasn't ever had anything besides the pure fact of how other people refer to him that ties him to gender at all. I don't think it makes sense to change the way they write about him now just because that "he" is well-established for the specific character, but it's also true (and was noted publicly decades ago) that Karn himself doesn't consider that to be a thing and just goes with what other people say.
 
*Kamigawa stuff*

Fair enough. I sorta feel like he should consider just having a full response to point to when people continue to ask and if people still insist on going on about it then, well, they're beyond hope. I just kind of feel that responding in the way he did here just, if anything, encourages more people to poke him about it.

They just need to include silver-border cards in a set of premade decks instead of trying to sell boosters. They already have a slot for odd casual-oriented products each year anyway; this would let them burn their 40 best ideas or whatever (instead of trying to come up with 200 that also can be drafted, etc.) and make them focus on cards that play well in a specific context since they're shipping in prebuilt decks.

An interesting idea. I wonder if it has been rejected/is in the future or if MaRo just has his mind locked on a booster set.
 
Sam Stoddard on Kaladesh standard: "One of the big discussions internally is about the strength of answers versus the strength of threats and whether we have swung too far onto the threats end." Getting the message!

Article link. Sam points out that this is one of the few formats where there is a popular deck in every bucket (aggro, midrange, combo, control, tempo) and they all evolve a lot throughout the format, but there are few popular decks in each, and three decks make up a large percentage of the format.

There will be more cards good against Smuggler's Copter in Aether Revolt and beyond, though they won't necessarily hate the card out of the format.
 

HF2014

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Hey guys, maybe you can help me out. Im desperate to find Akroma, Angel of Wrath Alternate Art card from Duel Decks Divine vs Demonic DDC in MAGIC ONLINE ( not on paper ). Do you know any vendor who might actually have a chance to have it or either the full Duel Decks Divine vs Demonic?

It look like this

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