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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Yeah, and it was actually even weirder then due to how the uniqueness rule used to work. People were running Jace Beleren as a 3-mana way to kill an opposing Jace the Mindsculptor.
Look at the art. I would throw both of them in the trash immediately.
At least previous intro decks had dragons and angels and demons.
Simply Sarah
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Uniqueness as removal was the worst. At least people running <insert almost any other World Enchantment here> to deal with things like The Abyss and Nether Void fit into the flavour of the World mechanic.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Yeah, but it was pretty funny that the best removal spell in EDH used to be Clone...
ThLunarian
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Are we sure that there will be a real Nissa in the set? Have they explicitly said that the ones in the intro decks will have alternate versions in the main set?
ShadowSoldier89
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we had 3 Ajani in standard at the same time before
phazedplasma
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you guys remember Brimaz, kitty king? I love that dude
Giant Snapcaster!
Only Instants? Why.jpg
A) Flash is somewhat redudant with Haste
B) Cry more
I feel this better describes the recent Pokemon info dump than current Magic
You might've missed this on the previous page:
And this is proper Nissa, who seems really fucking good.
ThLunarian
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Oh. Yeah I did. Seems pretty good!
On my twitter feed. I'm sorry
But that's less fun (also most cards that let you flashback spells let you do both so I can imagine some feel bad gameplay moments when this cards works counter to expectations)
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
A)"redundant with haste" when I said it can "somewhat replace haste"?
B)I will, liking blue I just disagree with the way it's handled
I imagine the creature having flash is also part of it, since this would let you ignore timing restrictions when casting a sorcery.
A Serious Man
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Chandra preordering for $50+, yeah I don't know about that.
The blue Gearhulk being kind of lame makes me sad.
The blue Gearhulk being kind of lame makes me sad.
On my twitter feed. I'm sorry
But that's less fun (also most cards that let you flashback spells let you do both so I can imagine some feel bad gameplay moments when this cards works counter to expectations)
the fact her eyes are closed makes it creepy
How is getting a clue better than drawing a card?
So you want to take Haste out of Red? It's already in Black and Green (occasionally) and it seems hard to justify in White or Blue. If you move Flash to Red and take Haste away from Red, then colors just end up with less mechanics overall. Why would you want to do that? Flash also plays well with Blue's instant focus and has rarely been a problem (mostly Faeries in Standard which still was far from an unbeatable deck).
Ah I missed that it would let you cast sorceries as instants otherwise. I can see why it would get excluded them. Still a bit of a bummer but now that desire borders more on greed
I think that was the point
Simply Sarah
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Yeah, this is the key part. It's the Goblin Dark-Dwellers effect rather than the Snapcaster one.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Yep - there's a ton of broken sorceries in the game that are mostly limited by the fact that they're insanely expensive, e.g. Enter the Infinite.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Chandra and Nissa are $25-35 cards, and I only see them at $35 if they absolutely dominate Standard (I doubt that very much). I assumed they would preorder at $40 and they did, but that doesn't mean that's a stable price by any means.
I think there's an R/G Goodstuff deck incoming. Even Verdurous Gearhulk seems like a completely reasonable 5 mana investment. There's something to be said that cards like these are less reasonable in a world with Elvish Mystic, although I feel like these cards are kind of dumb, independently powerful constructed cards which I don't necessarily love as a design aesthetic. What I mean by that a deck that curves Sylvan Advocate into Tireless Tracker into Chandra into Nissa isn't doing anything innovative - it's just playing the most powerful cards at those CMCs.
Lore Question: Is Tezzeret immune to the Phyrexian Oil? He's been on New Phyrexia, might he have brought some of the oil to Kaladesh (a plane filled with artifice) by accident? Granted, even if he did it probably won't matter this block since they want it to be more optimistic but in the future........
All planeswalkers are immune to Phyrexian Oil.
Because it's 3 mana, doesn't have to sit a turn before generating the effect, is easy to play multiples, etc.
Etrian Oddity
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";216038164]He's just one of the skeletons in Lili's closet. He's a mindless serial killer now so I'm sure he'll pop up again at some point when they need a threat to the superfriends.[/QUOTE]
It amazes me that WotC has had access to genuinely good writers with their Dungeons & Dragons novel line (people like Richard Lee Byers, R.A. Salvatore and Paul S. Kemp, just off the top of my head), and MaRo and crew are handing their "big-focus storyline push" off to FanFiction.net rejects.
They can't say they can't afford the authors, Magic makes way more money than D&D and has way more mindshare. Moreover, those aforementioned Forgotten Realms authors knew exactly how to build up marketable characters who can be instantly recognized by fans. Just commission these guys to write bite-sized stuff outside of an established plot blueprint.
Gaaaaah WotC why why why
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Tireless Tracker is the most played creature in Standard right now for good reason: it's insane value because its among the best card draw spells in Standard. The fact that it wins combat all of the time as a side effect of drawing cards is semi-unreasonable.
Internal politics w/ creative types who all want to do it.
Oh ok, i just thought you meant the effect of Tracker's landfall ability was a better version of Nissa's ultimate. I agree that Tracker is the better card and one of the best cards in standard, really
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Haste contributes a lot to red being one dimensional don't take it away but use it more for utility cards like Mad Prophet. Flash playing too well with Blue's instant focus is the entire point, an instant focused colour shouldn't have creatures effectively be instants that leave behind a body.
Forgotten Realms hasn't been doing to well recently. Kemps had a dispute with WotC and once that cleared his book totally bombed and there's only 3 authors left regularly writing series for them nowadays. Greenwood, Evans and Salvatore.
Bob would stop if Drizzt wasn't his bread earner, Ed is probably too invested to write anything else. Would love for Evans to write some mtg books and she does the relationship drama WotC wants right now pretty well. Completely with misunderstandings and does he love me stuff.
Tracker with Nissa ultimate ing ghnbghnhhnvghnnn
Etrian Oddity
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Fkn amateur all around.
Remove Menace from Red, and give it Flash.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It makes way more sense to have your world-building team just write the stories from a financial standpoint. MTG fiction is something that requires a minimum competence threshold; it doesn't matter if its actually good as long as its above that minimum level.
I also think its incorrect to suggest that they're failing on that level - more people follow the story now than ever even when they don't read it. The number of times we've had story-based discussions is dramatically up from Theros, when literally nobody read the story because it was a separate eBook thing and practically none of the story beats were on cards (outside of the Xenagos resolution).
Edit: Hell, the only story beat that people actually likely remember from Theros block proper is that Elspeth dies and goes to the Underworld, but lots of random events occurred outside of that, e.g. the reason why Elspeth bothered to do that, what was up with the random Legendaries in Theros (e.g. Anax and Cymede, Anthousa, Daxos).
I also think its incorrect to suggest that they're failing on that level - more people follow the story now than ever even when they don't read it. The number of times we've had story-based discussions is dramatically up from Theros, when literally nobody read the story because it was a separate eBook thing and practically none of the story beats were on cards (outside of the Xenagos resolution).
Edit: Hell, the only story beat that people actually likely remember from Theros block proper is that Elspeth dies and goes to the Underworld, but lots of random events occurred outside of that, e.g. the reason why Elspeth bothered to do that, what was up with the random Legendaries in Theros (e.g. Anax and Cymede, Anthousa, Daxos).
TheBlackMarvel
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I'd take Tamiyo over Jace, any day of the week.
Isn't Niv-Mizzet not a planeswalkers?
The problem is going from Digges' BFZ stuff (which was fantastic and *got* the existential horror vibe) to "Jace'Rakul".
Flash and menace serve two very different purposes.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't really have a problem with the Jacetice League. A lot of the "fatigue" in seeing the characters has to do with changing the block structure such that you're getting lots and lots and lots of Planeswalkers at once - you'd get a similar amount when the Core Sets existed but they were more often than not either not played in Constructed (Chandra, the Firebrand, Liliana of the Dark Realms, Jace, the Living Guildpact) or were role players (Chandra, Pyromaster, Liliana Vess, Nissa, Worldwaker).
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Fun fact:
Chandra Nalaar has the most Planeswalker cards in the entire game with 8.
Chandra Nalaar
Chandra Ablaze
Chandra, the Firebrand
Chandra, Pyromaster
Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh // Chandra, Roaring Flame
Chandra, Flamecaller
Chandra, Torch of Defiance,
Chandra, Pyrogenius
Chandra Nalaar has the most Planeswalker cards in the entire game with 8.
Chandra Nalaar
Chandra Ablaze
Chandra, the Firebrand
Chandra, Pyromaster
Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh // Chandra, Roaring Flame
Chandra, Flamecaller
Chandra, Torch of Defiance,
Chandra, Pyrogenius
I wish they'd just use the opportunity to print new versions of cards we already had. I wouldn't mind if they just reprinted the 3-CMC Nissa here. I mean it's not exciting, but it could help bring prices down and keep them from burning through all their creative space quickly.
Really? Didn't Melira have to specifically inoculate Koth and Elspeth or am I misremembering things?
I feel its pretty clear that Flash works well with Blue and its goals and Haste works well with Red and its goals. I think the issue you have is with specific cards, not the mechanics. Let's not pretend there is some Blue menace going on in Standard or Modern. There isn't and if you feel so that has more to do with your "feelings" than reality. Legacy & Vintage are "lost causes" but that has nothing to do with Flash and other colors are bigger players than I think people give them respect for.
Meance is an evasion mechanic, Flash is not. This is a terrible idea.
deploy the gatewatch edh deck with 60 planeswalkers incoming
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Haste does not work well with red and its goal on the contrary it only gives it one road to triumph.
And once again flash works too well with blue. I never spoke to the power level in any particular format. I just genuinely dislike how it's circumventing a downside for a colour.
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