Or the big colorless praetor that will emerge to wreck the rest, leading to a united Praetors+Mirrans front. /fanfic
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Or the big colorless praetor that will emerge to wreck the rest, leading to a united Praetors+Mirrans front. /fanfic
FreedomFrisbee
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Memnarch was killed and the mirrari recovered at the end of Fifth Dawn.
Karn shows up and says 'Slobad you have spark, wanna planeswalk?'
And Slobad was like 'Nah, use my spark to revive my friends'
And Karn says 'Ok, but now you have to handle the mirrari, peace'
I still have the books.
Yeah, looks like I was wrong.
Every good card shouldn't have to be a build around. Good stuff decks have been around since the dawn of magic. Junk got it's name for being a pile of good cards.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The Mending occurred on Dominaria. How would Karn lose his spark on Dominaria and then end up on Mirrodin? I don't think he ever gave up his spark. At least not that I've ever read.
I mean, I think they probably should to some degree. At the very least the idea of "good in decks playing this color" seems to cut too wide a swath in my eyes.
SigmasonicX
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The official explanation is that after Karn gave up his spark, his last bit of energy sent him to Mirrodin, where he was then unable to fight against the Phyrexians and got corrupted until Venser rekindled Karn's spark by sacrificing his own.
EDIT: His Planeswalker profile is vague about whether he lost his spark or not, but rather just refers to him losing his resistance to the Phyrexian oil, likely to reduce what has to be explained.
Magic Wikia says he gave up his spark, while MTG Salvation claims he didn't.
EDIT: His Planeswalker profile is vague about whether he lost his spark or not, but rather just refers to him losing his resistance to the Phyrexian oil, likely to reduce what has to be explained.
Magic Wikia says he gave up his spark, while MTG Salvation claims he didn't.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
biggest mistake since letting Urza win the brother's war
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
So basically its just a handwave in order to justify the entire Scars plot.
I think prefer modern stories about how Gideon Jura is canonically a perpetually shirtless hunk.
Why should they? Planeswalkers should be able to produce massive card adv and be problems for your opponents because they are dead if there are creatures on your board. Why should you have to jump through another hurdle when you have to clear the board of creatures to cast the planeswalkers safely.
SigmasonicX
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Another wrinkle is that the official source of information for what happened to Karn in Scars of Mirrodin, Quest for Karn, is considered to not be a good book. Here's a review I found.
The only thing they seem to be concrete on, that hasn't been confirmed by a later official story like the one showing Elspeth coming to Theros, is that Venser gave up his spark to heal Karn, and that's only because MaRo keeps bringing it up.
The only thing they seem to be concrete on, that hasn't been confirmed by a later official story like the one showing Elspeth coming to Theros, is that Venser gave up his spark to heal Karn, and that's only because MaRo keeps bringing it up.
FreedomFrisbee
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I believe this is accurate, however I can quote myself for a better explanation:
There's a lot of stuff that Wizards retconned about Karn. Or forgot about, however you want to put it. There's all kinds of Weatherlight functionality that Karn should still totally have, along with the minds of Urza, Gerard, and the sentient aspects of the Weatherlight. I'm still annoyed that this form never got an on card depiction:
That's what Karn looked like after Apacolypse and until New Phyrexia.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The story actively gets retconned a lot too. I'm guessing we will have to wait until someone actually asks on a panel before a set or something because a lot of the stuff from the older books is pretty clearly non-canon these days.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Karn closed the time rift IIRC the one that came into existence during the experiment that sunk the tolarian academy and awoke teferi's spark.
The Planeswalker novels are all canonically in limbo. Purifying fire has been retconned a bunch test of Metal stuff we'll know more once more tezzeret story beats come in.
Giant Panda
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As a player that came in with Khans, I get very confused when people talk about the old story. Trying to research it on MTGS really didn't help much either lol
FreedomFrisbee
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There pretty much is no canon for Scars and Innistrad blocks beyond the broad strokes of things. Scars has the terribad book that everyone ignores, and Innistrad had no books at all. That was basically the story low point for magic.
Generally, I think BFZ was a soft reboot, story wise. A lot of inconsistencies, character redos, and killing off of old plot points. Literally attempting to put a bow on the last 10 years of story so they can move forward without *too much* baggage. The only difference between the BFZ reboot and Time Spiral is they were less explicit about it.
charlequin
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Yeah, I mean, until Khans, basically, the actual story being "told" (i.e. written and very slightly edited in novels, comic books, etc.) had nothing to do with the broader needs of the creative team or the design goals of R&D, so they just retcon the heck out of it all the time. Most of the time it's either because they did something that was a huge obvious problem for a plane they have brand equity in (the retcons of Mirrodin and Ravnica's endings) or just something awful and dumb that they don't want anyone having to remember (the Scourge novel, Quest for Karn, by and large Test of Metal.)
Nowadays basically all the story content is in the website where the Creative team controls it and all the blocks are designed with creative concerns at the front of the list so for the most part that stuff won't happen anymore to at least recent details.
tl;dr take whatever a block seems to be about based on the cards, then assume it's something completely different and shittier than that, with some characters who never saw print that seem interesting but are badly written. That's 80% of it.
FreedomFrisbee
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Ahahaha oh man why is that still on my bookshelf. I've even had people try and defend it.
Simply Sarah
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Don't worry too much. It's hard for us long time players to follow too at times because sources will keep contradicting each other on details. I mean, I suppose the Weatherlight Saga seems to have remained pretty static and clear...ish, as has a lot of the following pre-Time Spiral story.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Odyssey and onslaught is still the GOAT mtg saga. Relatively down to earth until Karona, used a ton of cards from the 2 blocks. Barely any Planeswalking great road trip through dominaria tons of great lore. No retcons I'm aware of.
Always wished the barbarians Kamahl and Jeskai came from had been more fleshed out.
Always wished the barbarians Kamahl and Jeskai came from had been more fleshed out.
Simply Sarah
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I'm convinced that no one remembered/bothered to notify Creative that Jeska had existed when they named the clan Jeskai.
Possible she could have been to Tarkir after Karn left with her (but before she sac'd herself to the mending)
my man. No other block felt so cool and down to earth
Simply Sarah
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Nope. They were still Jeskai in Fate Reforged, which is well before Jeska was even born even if it doesn't make sense because that would put it pre-Mending and how does that even work and I hate time travel.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I take it you're saying the sex scene between Phage and the Cabal Patriarch is now non-canon.
The only truly good bit of Magic writing is Love Song of Night and Day. That being said, it's actually an incredibly beautiful piece of poetry beyond the context of "flavor text for cardboard" and I'd call it one of my favorite poems ever, so when they got it right, they got it VERY right.
hmm well they should've not called it Jeskai lol
So don't know if it has happened, but really I think Energy is going to be used as a way to get a card or cards into play that can remove counters from players, kind of a backdoor to getting more Infect hate out. Maybe a one drop artifact that removes all counters from target player or something.
SigmasonicX
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I suspect that Aether Revolt will have cards that allow you to steal energy counters from another player, which perhaps can be extended to "remove counters from target player, you gain that many" (though unlikely due to wordiness), but I don't think they'll outright give a way to remove poison counters.
charlequin
Banned
No way on earth this happens.
So I've been looking to massively downsize my collection (basically get rid of everything except modern), so I decided to finally start a spreadsheet of my collection
Found out that Quiet Speculation has webcam software that you stick a card under your camera, it IDs the card and the edition (for stuff like M11 and M12 you have to tell it which one it is) and then uploads it to their website. Hong worked like a dream- of the 1500 cards I scanned tonight, the only issue it had was with promo cards- it recognized FNM foils but not much else. There website also tracks buy lists for you, so you can click a button and it divvies it up to several websites, and can even make a "cart" on Cardkingdom to make it even easier.
Basically. This is he best $10 I ever spent.
Found out that Quiet Speculation has webcam software that you stick a card under your camera, it IDs the card and the edition (for stuff like M11 and M12 you have to tell it which one it is) and then uploads it to their website. Hong worked like a dream- of the 1500 cards I scanned tonight, the only issue it had was with promo cards- it recognized FNM foils but not much else. There website also tracks buy lists for you, so you can click a button and it divvies it up to several websites, and can even make a "cart" on Cardkingdom to make it even easier.
Basically. This is he best $10 I ever spent.
The Technomancer
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darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
They are not going to make to a hoser like that to one of the primary mechanics of a block.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
We already got Leeches!
Lesgetitintomodernpls
So i was just watching a pro streamers stream that said Nissa is the worst planeswalker in standard.
Worse than Kiora, Arlin Kord, and Saheeli Rai.
Thoughts ? She protects herself, Eternal Witnesses something and more importantly ultimates after one turn to draw you cards in the lategame.
Thats a really good magic card in my opinion and even fulfills the "protects herself" clause.
Am I just way off base with her ? I would easily play 2 - 3 in most decks (dont know exactly what deck yet).
I dont see how she doesnt just slot into green midrange/control decks
Worse than Kiora, Arlin Kord, and Saheeli Rai.
Thoughts ? She protects herself, Eternal Witnesses something and more importantly ultimates after one turn to draw you cards in the lategame.
Thats a really good magic card in my opinion and even fulfills the "protects herself" clause.
Am I just way off base with her ? I would easily play 2 - 3 in most decks (dont know exactly what deck yet).
I dont see how she doesnt just slot into green midrange/control decks
Joe Molotov
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Decked Builder does the same thing but also allows you to manage your deck lists at the same time.
My gut says that she'll work best in a control shell. Her first ability protects her and closes out the game fairly quickly on an empty board. Her second ability is good at rebuying board wipes and other premium removal. Her ultimate makes it hard for creature-based decks to outpace your 1-for-1 removal.
What remains to be seen is if we get any new solid board wipes or if it's just Planar Outburst and Descend Upon the Sinful.
Yeah, I used to use the free version of the app, but it being Mac only kills it's use for me
New Nissa can only return permanents, and that is kind of a bummer. It cannot rebuy board wipes unfortunately.
SigmasonicX
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Well, unless it's a Gearhulk.
Oh, that's true I guess. Forgot about that one!
SigmasonicX
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Save your stuff or rebuy ETB effects during your opponent's turn, and draw a bunch of cards!
Also, flavor text basically confirms shenanigans will happen. I don't think there would be room for a big Phyrexian presence in the next set, but I could imagine maybe a mythic rare Horror that removes all +1/+1 counters or something, as a story card.
Same pros that kept saying Liliana was trash?
I don't form opinions on these sorts of things until I have it in my hands.
Save your stuff or rebuy ETB effects during your opponent's turn, and draw a bunch of cards!
Also, flavor text basically confirms shenanigans will happen. I don't think there would be room for a big Phyrexian presence in the next set, but I could imagine maybe a mythic rare Horror that removes all +1/+1 counters or something, as a story card.
Pretty much all portals in the Mtg universe summon phyrexians.
Wulfric
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Don't see this posted, but there are some new legendary creatures on the lore website.
Found this character interesting:
She sounds like an wise oracle who might help Chandra and mom against the coalition. And hooray for LGBTQA representation!
Found this character interesting:
She sounds like an wise oracle who might help Chandra and mom against the coalition. And hooray for LGBTQA representation!
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The flavor here is also great. Its like the magical version of quantum weirdness; you unsummon all your stuff and yet end up with twice as much as you had
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