I'm quoting myself here one last time because I'm putting the finishing touches on my submission. I saw Yeef draft the Cube, are you around and have any feedback?
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Magic: the Gathering |OT9| Kaladesh - Cruisin' Down the Street in my 6/4
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I'm quoting myself here one last time because I'm putting the finishing touches on my submission. I saw Yeef draft the Cube, are you around and have any feedback?
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Man, from the way you've described it, this set is a 4/10 for Commander and even worse for other constructed formats. I don't know that it's quite as bad as you have made it out to be, but my initial excitement has waned a bit.
Also, what's the colorless Inferno Titan? The Skysovereign? I think we need to wait and see how vehicles play out in practice before we can say that. I feel like they just won't be very good in EDH, but I could be wrong.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Isn't duskwatch way too good to ever end up in a tribe as bad as werewolves?
Compared to recent sets Kaladesh seems amazing, BFZ through Eldritch has barely made an impact but we'll have to see. I don't think vehicles will be good but Skysovereign might be the exception or just feel awesome to use. For instance token builds can have a difficult time pushing some direct damage and it might slot in there.
"God's Beard!"
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thx just submitted your list
... so adopted...
Seems pretty busted in modern. Getting discard as part of the cost and getting 3 dredges is a lot.
"God's Beard!"
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I'll post it up tomorrow, but I think my cube submission has something like 50 different morph cards now.
I think my biggest critique is that I felt funneled into mono-color (or near mono-color) most of the time. I'm not sure how much of that is on the bots though. One draft I got a last-pick (or near-last pick) Crux of Fate, which seemed really strange.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
really? I felt the opposite bit my critique is more that there's too many tribes I'd never go into and whenever I tried going for a tribe I'd get nothing.
There's at least 3 spells matter token producers in UR but the quantity of spells seems low. I really had to go for the bottom of the barrel and grixis when I tried.
Barely made an impact on what?
charlequin
Banned
Response from pros has been pretty positive. It's full of shit for Vintage and Commander, I'm confident it'll be one of the better draft environments in a while. The modularity of the energy mechanic is gonna make a lot of limited decks and games play out differently, and the archetypes seem a bit less on rails -- I'm certainly excited to draft it. For a group that never ever likes Standard this thread sure does spend a lot of time talking about how set will be bad because of Standard format issues. (Also I suspect a lot of you seriously misremember how people thought about Innistrad when it was being spoiled vs. a month or two into release.)
i swear to god
yesssssssss
if I even see an inkling of this being the truth I will shout from the rafters a glorious thunderous yell that will shake the heavens
"they really fucking did it hahahahahahah"
Simply Sarah
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Well, I was able to draft a legit WU spirits deck from it once but yeah, I didn't have a ton of luck drafting tribes outside of that except for one half-assed elves attempt.
I had just started playing again right before Innistrad came out. So I have no clue how it was received. I know I enjoyed it.
SigmasonicX
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Oh, as it turns out, today's story was wrongly attributed to Doug Beyer. It was actually written by Mel Li, which better explains the inconsistencies.
And I haven't commented on today's cards at all.
Disappearing Act is an interesting Cancel variation. I can imagine some cases where you actually just want to return the permanent to your hand and the countering is just a bonus.
Torch Gauntlet is clever in that "firebreathing" is usually +X/+0, so these gauntlets that emit flame only boost your power.
Spark of Creativity is interesting. Obviously not too strong, but it's a neat way to use temporary drawing, and it could lead to interesting decisions in Limited. I've brought up the idea of using the top of the library to bring back red's randomness, and it seems like they're going for that.
Refurbish is a bit odd, after MaRo said that white cares about artifacts less than blue and red, but out of the three colors that normally like artifacts, white is the only one that can get permanents from the graveyard, so this makes sense.
Captured by the Consulate is an interesting design, with that forced redirection of spells in white.
With Cathartic Reunion, it's nice to see happiness in red. This would have been crazy in the same Standard as Pyromancer's Goggles.
Highspire Artisan confuses me. Why does it have reach? Is he just really tall? Is standing in a tall tower really enough?
Weaponcraft Enthusiast is an amusing card. I was disappointed when I saw the art and then saw the effect.
Ambitious Aetherborn is a potential 5/4 for 4B, which seems better than what black usually gets at common.
I'm surprised Reckless Fireweaver is a common, since each servo from a fabricate effect triggers it, and at 1R, it's easy to get multiples out.
Kind of neat that Chief of the Foundry got reprinted.
Foundry Inspector seems pretty good, especially since it makes its other copies cheaper.
With Self-Assembler, it's neat to see a new Assembly-Worker.
And I haven't commented on today's cards at all.
Disappearing Act is an interesting Cancel variation. I can imagine some cases where you actually just want to return the permanent to your hand and the countering is just a bonus.
Torch Gauntlet is clever in that "firebreathing" is usually +X/+0, so these gauntlets that emit flame only boost your power.
Spark of Creativity is interesting. Obviously not too strong, but it's a neat way to use temporary drawing, and it could lead to interesting decisions in Limited. I've brought up the idea of using the top of the library to bring back red's randomness, and it seems like they're going for that.
Refurbish is a bit odd, after MaRo said that white cares about artifacts less than blue and red, but out of the three colors that normally like artifacts, white is the only one that can get permanents from the graveyard, so this makes sense.
Captured by the Consulate is an interesting design, with that forced redirection of spells in white.
With Cathartic Reunion, it's nice to see happiness in red. This would have been crazy in the same Standard as Pyromancer's Goggles.
Highspire Artisan confuses me. Why does it have reach? Is he just really tall? Is standing in a tall tower really enough?
Weaponcraft Enthusiast is an amusing card. I was disappointed when I saw the art and then saw the effect.
Ambitious Aetherborn is a potential 5/4 for 4B, which seems better than what black usually gets at common.
I'm surprised Reckless Fireweaver is a common, since each servo from a fabricate effect triggers it, and at 1R, it's easy to get multiples out.
Kind of neat that Chief of the Foundry got reprinted.
Foundry Inspector seems pretty good, especially since it makes its other copies cheaper.
With Self-Assembler, it's neat to see a new Assembly-Worker.
I like this design a lot. Most of the time, you'd rather have it stick around to keep getting you energy, but if you need to refuel, you can get rid of it at the cost of your engine. It's a nice tension.
Age of Innovation(?) 1U
Enchantment
Whenever an artifact or artificer enters the battlefield under your control, you may pay 1. If you do, you get 2 Energy.
Pay 6 Energy , sacrifice Age of Innovation : Draw three cards.
SigmasonicX
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Every form of spell manipulation in one card.
charlequin
Banned
I think a lot of people are still underestimating the "free whenever" aspect of Energy. Like: historically, there are a ton of effects that R&D have reined in and ensured always cost mana to use, which means you're always burning tempo to use them. In this set, those effects all cost energy -- which means you have to get energy first, sure, but you then have way more flexibility in actually using the abilities without cutting into your mana.
Now this is a card that could use Escalate.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Marionette Master 4BB
Creature - Human Artificer (rare)
Fabricate 3
Whenever an artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, target opponent loses life equal to Master of Marionettes power.
1/3
Oh that's fun, I like that
At 6 mana its annoying to get out, but it would be OP at 4
Oooh, this is an interesting design.
Marionette Master 4BB
Creature - Human Artificer (rare)
Fabricate 3
Whenever an artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, target opponent loses life equal to Master of Marionettes power.
1/3
SigmasonicX
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I guess it's nice to have the option to have some tokens, but I think I'll go with "target opponent loses 4 life with each artifact lost".
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Sac some clues.
But you'll need artifacts for that. There are also often situations where you'll need the tokens for other things and having them lose 1 life for each artifact is satisfactory.
It's a card where where which mode you choose is very dependent on the current board state and what you have in your hand.
Imperfected
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I like the fact it's also potentially more interactive than normal card draw. The other player can try to pressure you into spending energy to keep you below the sacrifice threshold, even if they don't have an immediate way of interacting with the enchantment itself.
I've submitted my Cube but I did get a chance to read this and I appreciate the feedback. I did improve the fixing some more before I sent it off so hopefully that helps to some degree. My aim/hope wasn't so much to encourage railroad drafting (pick a lord then pick all creatures of that type) but rather have decks exploit tribal synergies to good effect to run aggro, mid-range and control strategies. You should be able to draft mono-goblins but you don't need to for success and Goblins and Vampires, which share colors, play well with each other. The name of the game is tribal but I wanted enough options and flexibility for not all decks of the same colors to be the same tribes and vice-versa and that you can draft more normal decks once in a while. I had limited time to test and in trying to make sure all color combos did something, I know I did a better job with some than others. Hopefully things work out well in the end.
CommandThrower
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I like this card a lot from a mechanical standpoint.
This + Panharmonicon, and some artifact generators/sac outlets sounds like fun. Probably far too slow and situational to work in standard...
Every form of spell manipulation in one card.
Why do these counter spells continues to be over costed?
SigmasonicX
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Dismiss likely is, considering Contradict saw a bit of play.
And Angry Grimace (IIRC) insists that Dissolve is too strong.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem with Dissolve is that adding Scry onto counterspells is much stronger than it sounds because it lets Control decks cheat on land count and negate the drawback of the deck by drawing into more counters.
It wouldn't be particularly powerful right now due to the fact that blue doesn't have functional card draw, but it was extremely good in RTR/THS standard.
It wouldn't be particularly powerful right now due to the fact that blue doesn't have functional card draw, but it was extremely good in RTR/THS standard.
TheBlackMarvel
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Marionette Master 4BB
Creature - Human Artificer (rare)
Fabricate 3
Whenever an artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, target opponent loses life equal to Master of Marionettes power.
1/3
This seems ripe for abuse with clue tokens.
EDIT: Those never hit the graveyard, do they. Oops.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I played twelve temples and only one painland. That's how good scry was in that deck.
They're tokens, so they hit graveyard then vanish from the game.
TheBlackMarvel
Member
Because people who play with counterspells are the worst people on earth and should be thrown into a hole to play an endless game of "who has the most annoying and unfun blue control deck on earth" until they all starve.
TheBlackMarvel
Member
That seems pretty fair for the versatility.
Conveniently doesn't stop Emrakul lol
TheBlackMarvel
Member
Doesn't it?
From my understanding it won't stop the control the opponent effect but will get rid of Emrakul herself.
With this and Summary Dismissal, the counterspells are mechanically more interesting though.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's only a matter of time until we get this guy in magic.
And it better be legendary and make for a great commander.
For every modal spell or ability you control you may choose an additional mode.
And it better be legendary and make for a great commander.
It'll be a mono-white 8CMC legendary angel.
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