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Malaysia Airlines flight en route from Amsterdam shot down over Ukraine; no survivors

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The Dutch Slayer

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people think this "machine" is the one that they used to take down the plane.

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Tapiozona

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Does the Ukrainian military have the capability to shoot down a passenger aircraft? The plane had to be at full altitude when it happened (35k feet, give or take). From everything I read when the violence between Ukraine and Russia broke out, their military is aging and severely handicapped/underfunded. I thought it took fairly sophisticated anti-aircraft weaponry to actually hit a plane that high, else every plane in Afghanistan would be shot down.
 
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Winterfang

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I'm very sad about this, innocent people dying for no reason. I hope there's justice about this and the one responsible for this suffer the consequences of his actions.

I prayed for those people, may they find their rest.
 
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Tarr

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OverBlood 3 said:
This is so incredibly fucked up. I can't imagine anyone will find any justice for this, this world is just so beyond fucked. It's got to make you wonder about that other missing plane a bit ago.
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Yeesh, I remember someone on CNN speculated that it was shot down over the Sea. For some reason, that, or a hijacking was all I would've believed. :/
 
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enewtabie

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rSpooky said:
Stupid question I guess, I know there is the blackbox for recordings, is it possible in this day and age to have that live streamed and recorded off-site(not on plane)? This way you never have to recover it on site and have more situational picture of what happened/is happening /
This news makes me sick in my stomach. :(
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Not currently,but it'll be something for the future. No way when you are in the sky and over the water. The tech is reallly old inside a black box .
 
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RustyNails

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Sorry if this has been repeated or answered (just catching up), but the plane was shot by rebels who want to secede from Ukraine into Russia?
 
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Turin

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gofreak

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The integrity of the relevant area of the crash was always going to be compromised given how large it was. Ukraine needs to move in and try to secure as much as possible ASAP. Get help from the Dutch if necessary.
 
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Knoxcore

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Brazil said:
Like the airplane crashing on a trampoline and sending debris and body parts up to 15km away from crash site?
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Maxim726X said:
There's a lot more available than that and you know it... Evidence of the remains, tweets claiming responsibility, etc. Not as if there isn't enough to get a pretty good picture at this point.
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People like to jump to conclusions with things like this. Remember 9/11? How about the hunt for the Boston bombers. Misinformation was abound in the opening hours of those events. I'm not excluding any possibility, simply keeping and open mind.
 
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Jhriad

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Liha said:
It's an illusion to think that Russia supports this evilness.
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So you would describe the flow of combatants, a number of whom have been confirmed to be Russian military personnel, as well as weapons and Soviet era vehicles from Russia into Ukraine as a lack of support?
 
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LNBL

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Dutch passenger posted this picture on FB 7 hours ago with the text

"If it goes missing, this is how it looks like."
 
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Pastry

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gofreak said:
The integrity of the relevant area of the crash was always going to be compromised given how large it was. Ukraine needs to move in and try to secure as much as possible ASAP. Get help from the Dutch if necessary.
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That's what I was thinking. Whoever did this is going to try to get rid of as much as they can before the area is secured.
 
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Hammer24

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Knoxcore said:
Again, information is foggy and incomplete.
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It really isn´t. This morning AP jounalists in this very Region saw BUK Missile launchers and were wondering, where the rebels got such sophisticated weaponry. Then the rebel commander boast of a takedown of an Ukrainian Military Transport plane, and links to a YouTube Video showing the downed MH flight.

Very straight forward.
 
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Carn82

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Reuters has a decent live feed:

http://live.reuters.com/Event/World_News

This stuff makes me sad. The fact that it exploded at that altitude points to that it probably has been shot down, or it had a bomb on board. But that it has been shot down seems more likely.

Just saw the FB profile of a dutch guy who posted a pic before boarding that plane, saying "this is what it looks like, if it might dissapear" :(
 
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Quotient

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APKmetsfan said:
US airlines were prohibited.
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http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...its-flights-over-crimea-and-surrounding-areas

This prohibited area includes sovereign Ukrainian airspace over the Crimean Peninsula and the associated Ukrainian territorial sea, as well as international airspace managed by Ukraine over the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov. The SFAR will remain in effect for one year.
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The reasoning was more for miscommunication for air traffic control than rockets

“In the FAA’s view, the potential for civil aircraft to receive confusing and conflicting air traffic control instructions from both Ukrainian and Russian ATS providers while operating in the portion of the Simferopol FIR covered by this SFAR is unsafe and presents a potential hazard to civil flight operations in the disputed airspace,” the FAA said.
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DoktorEvil

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Fuck.

I heard about the plane crash from the Times, but I didn't know it was shot down by Pro-Russian militants.

What'll be Malaysia's response to this?
 
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Betta Lines

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How many passenger planes fly over this area every day? Surely it's a significant number, and all flying at roughly the same altitude?
 
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LiK

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Watching CBS and they said apparently many airlines stopped using that route. Unsure why Malaysia was still using it.
 
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Cow Mengde

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Why the hell are people posting those NSFW links? This tragedy is bad enough as it is. There's no need to glorify it by posting horrific pictures.

This sucks for all those families.

LiK said:
Watching CBS and they said apparently many airlines stopped using that route. Unsure why Malaysia was still using it.
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Really? Then that's very stupid of them (as in the company) if they're the only ones doing this.
 
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TheLostBigBoss

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CNN is confirming that the rebel leader talked about shooting down an airliner.

So I guess that tweet is accurate. I can only imagine his reaction after he figured out what he had just done.

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gofreak

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Mr.Awesome said:
Can they even severe that area?
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More that they need to record what debris was where and move it away where it can be examined more closely later, I guess. I can't imagine they could physically secure such a large radius for any amount of time, but putting boots on the ground there to record and recover as much debris as possible before other parties - for whatever motivation - tamper with it should be their priority.
 
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Dreams-Visions

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Brawly Likes to Brawl said:
What the fuuuuck.

How the hell can you not tell the difference between an enemy aircraft and a fucking passenger plane?
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That's my question. Surely technology sophisticated enough to target a plane 30,000 feet (and up to 72,000 feet) in the sky would be sophisticated enough to distinguish between commercial and military vehicles.
 
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D4Danger

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from the BBC update ticker thing

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.

17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.
 
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