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[HerbertFish]

1. Where from this site was the quote taken from? Because I can't find it.

2. Don't you think he would have meant the AN-26 which was shot down?

The an26 was actually show down? I thought it was just possibly confused for the passenger airliner

 

[Bread]

this is so sad, and so scary.

what the fuck is going on in this world...

 

[JohnTinker]

RT @20committee: Only real question now is whether the Buk/SA-11 unit responsible was under local ("rebel") control or was part of Russian military CoC.

 

[CreeperBlocks]

1. Where from this site was the quote taken from? Because I can't find it.

2. Don't you think he would have meant the AN-26 which was shot down?

I'll post it here.
https://twitter.com/rjamesjones/status/489801002862669824

 

[Coins]

I got 10 bucks that Putin says they shot it down based on credible Intel if it was the separatists.

 

[Subterranean]

How did these rebels get so well armed? They're taking down jets and airliners. That's insane and infuriating.

Word is Russia is supplying them.

 

[Loud Hawk]

Does the Ukrainian military have the capability to shoot down a passenger aircraft? The plane had to be at full altitude when it happened (35k feet, give or take). From everything I read when the violence between Ukraine and Russia broke out, their military is aging and severely handicapped/underfunded. I thought it took fairly sophisticated anti-aircraft weaponry to actually hit a plane that high, else every plane in Afghanistan would be shot down.

A BUK will shot down any plane under 20KM with relative ease. Ukraine, Russia and potentially the rebels all have BUK systems. The rebels have stated that they captured Ukrainian systems a while ago, and people are saying that BUKs have been transported across from Russia.

 

[Samyy]

this is so sad, and so scary.

what the fuck is going on in this world...

This world is still the most safe and peaceful its probably ever been on Earth

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

from the BBC update ticker thing

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.

17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

I'm calling bullshit on this. They are trying to cover their asses before they get wiped off the face of the Earth. And weren't they just bragging about some new(Or rather old) AA shit?

 

[Nicktendo86]

from the BBC update ticker thing

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.

17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

Bollocks, they were showing off something capable of doing this today.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Thanks, Putin. :-(

its a very stupid and unforgivable mistake, the rebels thought it was military. if they targeted the plane on purpose than they should drop nukes on them.

Amazing. We know jack shit about the perpetrators, yet people are starting to use this for their propaganda.

 

[Tarr]

This world is still the most safe and peaceful its probably ever been on Earth

yea, gonna need some receipts.

 

[djshauny]

People, dont look at those images.

RIP to those lost today.

 

[Brazil]

Profile of a AN-26

Profile of a Boeing 777

The thing was 10 thousand meters up in the air. No one was looking at goddamn profiles before firing.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

from the BBC update ticker thing

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.

17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

I guess in upcoming days we'll be able to determine what type of missile was used and who had access to said machinery.

 

[teiresias]

1. Where from this site was the quote taken from? Because I can't find it.

2. Don't you think he would have meant the AN-26 which was shot down?

The point is that he THOUGHT he'd shot down an AN-26 when in reality he'd just shot down 300 innocent travelers.

 

[King_Moc]

Why the hell are people posting those NSFW links? This tragedy is bad enough as it is. There's no need to glorify it by posting horrific pictures.

This sucks for all those families.



Really? Then that's very stupid of them (as in the company) if they're the only ones doing this.

Why is it glorifying it? Not showing the horrors that this kind of act causes is probably more worse, I'd have thought. As long as they aren't putting the pages directly onto Neogaf, so that we have a choice, it's fine.

 

[oxidax]

Dont know if this was posted already.

The Aftermath Of The Malaysian Passenger Plane Shot Down Over Ukraine (Graphic Photos)

 

[CherryWoodFuton]

Word is Russia is supplying them.

If this is true then Russia and Putin are going too far off the deep end.

 

[Nikodemos]

from the BBC update ticker thing

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.

17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

Dat backpedaling. Guess gospodin Kavtaradze forgot all about the photos of Buk missile systems in separatist hands that got posted some while back.

 

[GameAddict411]

How did these rebels get so well armed? They're taking down jets and airliners. That's insane and infuriating.

russia, not doubt about it. unless there is a very unlikely third party.

 

[CyclopsRock]

I guess we have some Dutch posters here.

Perhaps on a more cynical note, though, the strength of of more immediate political fallout from this might be dependent on the number of European passengers on board. (i.e. if there were a lot of EU folks on board, there would be probably more home pressure on the EU to do more about the Ukrainian situation).

I'd say it's NATO more than EU, but eitherway yes, I suspect that will make a difference.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Who exactly are the rebels? Russians or Ukrainians?

Remember when Russia annexed Crimea by sending in Russian military pretending to be Ukrainians? Same thing. Russia is trying to grab the land East of the Dnieper by destabilizing the region. They are supplying "rebels" with arms and money, and even personnel.

The kind of anti-aircraft missile capable of shooting down a high altitude aircraft is beyond what most "traditional" rebels you would know from other conflicts should have access to/training to operate.

 

[gogogow]

This is beyond fucked up. My thoughts go out to the families and friends of the victims involved.

They're just dots on a radar.

:/

If that's how it happened then tons of passenger airlines would've been shot down.

 

[Jezbollah]

Ukraine has informed Malaysia Airlines that they lost contact with MH15 soon after 2pm GMT. This indicates that the Ukraine were tracking and managing the flight during it's trip across their airspace.

A standard military have rules of engagement and I would hope this would indicate friend or foe identification. I would suspect that a rebel movement with equipment provided to them by another nation (ahem) would likely not use such procedures..

 

[PhantomHound]

Yuck, just saw pictures on fox. So sad.

 

[DrM]

Ukranians (and some ex-Russian military) supplied by Russians.

There is also a possibility that they simply stole BUK system in one of their raids on military bases around Donetsk. This SAM vehicle launcher family is in use from early 1980s and older versions were quite common in eastern armies (Belarus, Ukraine, Romania)

 

[gofreak]

1. Where from this site was the quote taken from? Because I can't find it.

2. Don't you think he would have meant the AN-26 which was shot down?

There's a new post on the page today referencing a AN-26.

Checking it now, it's gone. But I saw it there, it was the second post on the page about half an hour ago.

I don't know who maintains that site or where they get their info, or whatever. But for whatever it was worth, there was that post up until recently, dated today, talking about downing a A-26 and warning 'not to fly in our sky' etc.

 

[Cse]

How did these rebels get so well armed? They're taking down jets and airliners. That's insane and infuriating.

Separatists typically don't have access to something like a Buk missile system.

If pro-Russian separatists did indeed take this plane down, then the equipment they were using was likely provided to them by Russia.

 

[Uzzy]

from the BBC update ticker thing

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.

17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

Of course they'd say that now. Back on the 29th of June, they were proudly saying they had captured a BUK missile system.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

RIP to the many who lost their lives. =(

 

[zomaha]

Fucking animals.

That we are, unfortunately

 

[CoffeeExpress]

I'm making this flight path on the 27th!

 

[fuzzyset]

How did these rebels get so well armed? They're taking down jets and airliners. That's insane and infuriating.

There was an insane build up of arms during the Cold War. Commercial airliners are easy targets. No counter measures. Fly slow and sorta low. A SAM from the 70s could take one out.

 

[Nilaul]

Soo much for peace.

 

[jufonuk]

I guess in upcoming days we'll be able to determine what type of missile was used and who had access to said machinery.

That's if the remains if the plane haven't been looted.

 

[LiK]

I'm making this flight path on the 27th!

Cancel!

 

[Epix]

Are those finger marks down the side?

Awful, unbelievable that this happened

From people climbing on it.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

How did these rebels get so well armed? They're taking down jets and airliners. That's insane and infuriating.

Russia

I'm making this flight path on the 27th!

By then they would have already created alternative flight paths. They ain't going over this place for a while.

 

[NihonTiger90]

AP says journalists saw BUK units near Snizhne, which is about 10 miles to the southeast of the crash site.

No clue whose BUK units they were, though.

 

[GameAddict411]

now realistically, what will happen if it is proven that russia had a big hand in it? like supplying the weapons?

 

[Wind's Howling]

Of course they'd say that now. Back on the 29th of June, they were proudly saying they had captured a BUK missile system.

And there's that.

 

[Mysterious]

What are the chances? Fuck me.

Pretty high; it was probably a "joke" based on the other missing Malaysian Airlines flight, 370.

 

[Salvadora]

russia, not doubt about it. unless there is a very unlikely third party.

Apparently Ukraine itself has access to this type of military hardware.

So it could have come from taking over military bases, presumably.

 

[Carn82]

from the BBC update ticker thing

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.

17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_...trol-of-Ukrainian-anti-air-installation-1561/

 

[Alucrid]

from the BBC update ticker thing

17:57: A spokesman for pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region told Russia's Rossiya TV that they were not capable of bringing down a commercial airliner flying at 10,000 metres.

17:57: "The portable air defence systems which we have, they work at a maximum of three to four thousand metres. Therefore, it is possible to say virtually before the start of the investigation that the Ukrainian armed forces destroyed this," separatist spokesman Sergey Kavtaradze says.

Is he their Information Minister?

 

[Garuda1One]

Profile of a AN-26

Profile of a Boeing 777

Dude, you obviously cant see that from 30k feet below.... Theyre just a dot in the radar screen...

 

[Brazil]

If that's how it happened then tons of passenger airlines would've been shot down.

I'm not saying there isn't a way to distinguish them through the radar. I'm just saying it's not as easy as looking up at some random object tens of thousands of feet up in the air and saying "Oh, that's a commercial airliner" like some people ITT seem to think.

 

[speculawyer]

Amazing. We know jack shit about the perpetrators, yet people are starting to use this for their propaganda.

A rag-tag bunch of separatists generally don't have the technology to take out planes 30,000 feet in the air.

 

[RustyNails]

What is this guy saying?
edit:

17.07.2014 17:50 Message from [I forget how to translate this word... it's military related, I believe it's from higher ranking people]

"Just shot down an AN-26 plane on Toreza area, crashed around the the Progress mine.

We warned them about flying in "our sky".

And here's a video confirming another "plane falling". [He says something along the lines of "birdfall" but I figure this would be clearer]

The bird fell past the territory, living sector was not hit.

Civilians Peaceful people were not hurt.

And there's also information about a second plane being shot down, looks to be a SU."