I would like to know this as well. I am sure it has something to do with the victim not forgiving or properly educating these cops.
What does liking you have to do with anything? He asked you a question because you posted this.
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I would like to know this as well. I am sure it has something to do with the victim not forgiving or properly educating these cops.
You said there were other very real possibilities. List some. I'm just genuinely curious because I can't think of any plausible ones.
Offered to beat himself up to show the cops that he understands their job.
Maybe he reached his hand out in solidarity and the cop misconstrued it.
I hope the family doesnt bring racism into the conversation, talking about incompetence is cool, talking about brutality is okay, mentioning corruption is a posibility that yoy gotta at least entertain, you can mention this facts with past data and stats but boy just mentioning the color of the skin of the victim and the gofundme gets online real fast.
Sad but true.
E thugs are still a thing, breh. Don't look too surprised.
Subpar Spatula
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Yes. There could be another reason for his injuries outside of police brutality. I'm betting on brutality because the information doesn't add up. Could there be another reason for how he got hurt? Yes. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that. That doesn't mean that's what I'm backing.
Tackled wrong, fell, hit with bike, etc. These are things that could happen. Again, I am still on the side of police brutality. Any other things you want to know?
Now, the post you quoted said:
Was he tackled wrong or hit with a bike in the van? Still got any very real possibilities?
Subpar Spatula
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Well, if you want to be 100% certain about how every thing transpired with the current information you can. I'm on the side of police brutality and am open to the possibility it wasn't that.
They haven't released any info because they are too busy planting evidence and coming up with a story to protect themselves. "he flinched towards his pocket and I feared for my life, so i kneed him in the throat and broke his bones, but that is ok because we are trained to do it."
Im not sure what you two(rembrandt and Subpar Spatula) are arguing so much for.
One guy thinks that there is such a small chance that something other then police brutality was the culprit, that the idea of suggesting an alternative right now seems silly.
The other guy thinks that the evidence overwhelmingly points to police brutality but in a adherence to ultra caution he doesnt want to make any declarations of an absolute nature.
To me it seems like both of you think that this is likely police brutality, both want investigations, both want justice, both are suspect of the police. Why is this small difference in how you are approaching initial judgement as an outsider such a contentious discussion?
Maybe I looked over some posts of your alls and maybe I am missing something that should be obvious.
One guy thinks that there is such a small chance that something other then police brutality was the culprit, that the idea of suggesting an alternative right now seems silly.
The other guy thinks that the evidence overwhelmingly points to police brutality but in a adherence to ultra caution he doesnt want to make any declarations of an absolute nature.
To me it seems like both of you think that this is likely police brutality, both want investigations, both want justice, both are suspect of the police. Why is this small difference in how you are approaching initial judgement as an outsider such a contentious discussion?
Maybe I looked over some posts of your alls and maybe I am missing something that should be obvious.
Lol, I remember one time I shared a ride to jail with one dude, when I still lived in Texas. He had a huge fucking gash in his forhead, with a shitty piece of gauze hanging off, and the rest of his face wasn't much better. Turns out the cops didn't like him making them wait to say goodbye to his family when they came to pick him up, so after loading him into the car, they drove around the corner, pulled him back out of the car and smashed his face into the concrete. When he complained to the jailers about this, they laughed and said, "Yea them Ft. Worth boys don't play around." All I had was a cop pull me out of my own car and say my dad's camera was stolen property, but at least I didn't get my face smashed in.
Do you give all criminals this much of a benefit of the doubt or just cops?
Subpar Spatula
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Yes. What else do you want to know?
Are you and was the other dude rich in melanin?
Script Kiddies LLC
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E thugs, huh? Glad you had so much to add to the discussion. Coded language and all.
The cops are lying.
EdibleKnife
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Great job, cops. Now how did his neck break?
Rich is a word I associate with positive scenarios. We have more than our fair share of melanin, yes.
Earthpainting
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Would you like a do-over on that statement? Having your neck bones and voice box shatter can't just be brushed aside as "a medical emergency". These things do not just happen, so the part where they explain how it went down is pretty crucial.
Then I am not surprised.
They suspended the six cops but I doubt anything will come of this.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/20/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-death/
uncredited male
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So autopsy says no broken bones or wounds but a severed spinal cord. Not a good trade off.
King Tubby
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Can't really see anything in the video that would result in the injuries described. Seems like they worked him over in the van (possibly as "punishment" for the chase) and it got out of hand.
MWS Natural
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Is having a switchblade on your person illegal?
I really think it depends on the cop as much as the length of the blade, if not more.
King Tubby
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FreedomFighter
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Baltimore PD seem to really be trying to protect these officers. News has been really slow to come out on this still. Seems like everyone is waiting around for info.
Something like what happened in 2005 to another Baltimore man, who also suffered ultimately fatal spinal injuries after being placed in a police van.
In the earlier spinal injury death, 42-year-old Dondi Johnson was arrested for public urination and loaded into a police van similar to the one that would later be used to transport Gray.
“Mr. Johnson got into the back of the van without assistance,” court papers say. “He obeyed the officers’ commands and did not threaten any of the officers or act violently.”
Johnson gave no sign that he was in physical distress when he was locked in the van with his hands cuffed behind his back. Police Officer Nicole Leake would later testify that she failed to put him in a seatbelt as required by Department General Order K-14 because the nature of the charge against him suggested he had a full bladder.
Leake would deny that she gave him what is known in Baltimore as a “rough ride,” where the van is driven in such a fashion as to jounce and jangle the prisoners. She did estimate that she reached a nearby police station in less than half the time it would have taken at the speed limit.
“When she arrived at the District and opened the back door of the van, Mr. Johnson was lying on the floor of the van and could not move,” court papers say.
Leake asked two other officers to take Johnson from the van.
“She did not call for medical assistance because Mr. Johnson did not ask for it, and she thought he was lying,” court papers say.
Police Officer Michael Riser asked Johnson to get up.
“[T]he bitch was driving like an a--hole,” Johnson replied, according to court papers. “I fell and I can’t move.”
Johnson underwent surgery for a serious spinal injury. He died two weeks later, and his family filed suit.
More at the link
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...istory-of-accidentally-killing-its-perps.html
In the earlier spinal injury death, 42-year-old Dondi Johnson was arrested for public urination and loaded into a police van similar to the one that would later be used to transport Gray.
“Mr. Johnson got into the back of the van without assistance,” court papers say. “He obeyed the officers’ commands and did not threaten any of the officers or act violently.”
Johnson gave no sign that he was in physical distress when he was locked in the van with his hands cuffed behind his back. Police Officer Nicole Leake would later testify that she failed to put him in a seatbelt as required by Department General Order K-14 because the nature of the charge against him suggested he had a full bladder.
Leake would deny that she gave him what is known in Baltimore as a “rough ride,” where the van is driven in such a fashion as to jounce and jangle the prisoners. She did estimate that she reached a nearby police station in less than half the time it would have taken at the speed limit.
“When she arrived at the District and opened the back door of the van, Mr. Johnson was lying on the floor of the van and could not move,” court papers say.
Leake asked two other officers to take Johnson from the van.
“She did not call for medical assistance because Mr. Johnson did not ask for it, and she thought he was lying,” court papers say.
Police Officer Michael Riser asked Johnson to get up.
“[T]he bitch was driving like an a--hole,” Johnson replied, according to court papers. “I fell and I can’t move.”
Johnson underwent surgery for a serious spinal injury. He died two weeks later, and his family filed suit.
More at the link
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...istory-of-accidentally-killing-its-perps.html
So shackled completely then given a "rough ride" where without being able to use neither hands nor feet to try to stabilize himself was tossed around like a penny in a piggy bank.
If this is common practise i kind of understand why they are trying hard to keep it secret.
The police union spokesman referred to protests as being like a lynching according to a quick report that played on cnn yesterday. Considering the circumstances, I felt that was a horrible choice of words and really emphasized the disconnect law enforcement has with their communities in response to these occurrences.
Slackbladder
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Sounds completely intentional. Just murderers. Nothing more to say.
Jelly Rajah
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"The world goin' one way, people another yo'."
FreedomFighter
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The stone-walling going on with Baltimore PD is appalling. They have so much time to get an official story together. Can't wait to see how they try to justify this and absolve themselves of wrongdoing.
No excuse for a man having his spine severed in police custody.
No excuse for a man having his spine severed in police custody.
So people have been protesting downtown for the last few hours, but now that the sun is down, tons of people have hit the streets and are now blocking traffic at the busiest intersection and tourist destination in the city.
Orioles game is currently going on about a half mile away from this location against the Red Sox, so all of the local hotels have tons of people in for the game including media.
Police are now moving with force to get people out of the streets. It's being shown live on three of the four (NBC, CBS, FOX) major networks.
Baltimore sun is live blogging HERE
Boston Globe have images from today HERE
Orioles game is currently going on about a half mile away from this location against the Red Sox, so all of the local hotels have tons of people in for the game including media.
Police are now moving with force to get people out of the streets. It's being shown live on three of the four (NBC, CBS, FOX) major networks.
Baltimore sun is live blogging HERE
Boston Globe have images from today HERE
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