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Man lives without money for the past 11 years

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Daniel Suelo is 51 years old and broke. Happily broke. Consciously, deliberately, blessedly broke.

Not only does he not have debt, a mortgage or rent, he does not earn a salary. Nor does he buy food or clothes, or own any product with a lower case "i" before it. Home is a cave on public land outside Moab, Utah. He scavenges for food from the garbage or off the land (fried grasshoppers, anyone?). He has been known to carve up and boil fresh road kill. He bathes, without soap, in the creek.

In the fall of 2000, Suelo (who changed his name from Shellabarger), decided to stop using money altogether. That meant no "conscious barter," food stamps or other government handouts. His mission was to "use only what is freely given or discarded and what is already present and already running," he wrote on his web site, Zero Currency.

The question many people wonder: Is he insane, or a mooch, or simply dedicated to leading a simple, honest, dare we say, Christ-like existence?

They're good questions. And depending whom you ask, the answers vary.

Suelo wasn't always a modern-day caveman. He went to the University of Colorado and studied anthropology, at one point considering medical school. He lived in a real house, with four walls, a window and a door, and shopped in stores, not their dumpsters.

But over time he says he grew depressed, clinically depressed, mainly with the focus on acquisition. "Every time I made a resume for a job, signed my name to a document, opened a bank account, or even bought a banana at the supermarket, I felt a tinge of dishonesty," he said.

He was born into an Evangelical Christian home in Grand Junction, Colo., and took his religion seriously. Eventually, he started wondering why "professed Christians rarely followed the teachings of Jesus--namely the Sermon on the Mount, namely giving up possessions, living beyond credit and debt--freely giving and freely taking--giving, expecting nothing in return, forgiving all debts, owing nobody a thing, living beyond payback of either evil-for-evil or good-for-good, living and walking without guilt (debt), without grudge (debt), without judgment (credit & debt), living by Grace, by Gratis, not by our own works but by the works of the true Nature flowing through," he said.

Although he considered himself a Christian, he discovered that the same principles applied to Taoism, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Islam, Mormonism, Shamanism, and Paganism.

One year he went to Alaska and worked on the docks. But that, too, he says, felt dishonest. Instead, he and a buddy decided to live off the land—spearing fish, foraging for mushrooms and berries. (Think Castaway, but with snow). Suelo (which means soil in Spanish) eventually hitch-hiked back to Moab with $50 in his pocket. By the time he arrived, his stash had dwindled to $25. He realized that he only needed money for things he really didn't need, like snacks and booze.

He began toying with the idea of living full-time without money. He traveled to India, and became fascinated by Hindu Sadhus, who wandered without lucre and possessions. He considered joining them, but then he realized that "A true test of faith would be to return to one of the most materialistic, money-worshipping nations on earth, to return to the authenticity profound principles of spirituality hidden beneath our own religion of hypocrisy, and be a Sadhu there," he said. "To be a vagabond, a bum, and make an art of it - this idea enchanted me."

But he didn't do it in a vacuum; he maintained his blog for free from the Moab public library. Rather than just sitting on a mountain and gazing at his navel, he wanted to have an impact on others, to spread his gospel.

In 2009, Mark Sundeen, an old acquaintance he'd worked with at a Moab restaurant, heard about Suelo through mutual friends. At first, "I thought he must have lost his mind," Sundeen, 42, said in a telephone conversation. But then he began reading his blog, and grew intrigued. Sundeen divides his time between Missoula, Mont., and Moab, where he was once a river guide, and he paid a visit to Suelo's cave.

Gradually, he said he realized that much of what Suelo was saying made a whole lot of sense. This was right around the time the economy crashed, and "It felt like a lot of what he was saying was prophetic," said Sundeen. "That money is an illusion, an addiction. That resonated with me after the collapse for the economy."

Sundeen was so intrigued that he decided to write a book about Suelo, The Man Who Quit Money, which was published in March.

And soon, that's exactly what he did. He says he left his life savings—a whopping $30—in a phone booth, and walked away.

While the book reviews have been generally positive, Suelo has come under fire by some who say he's a derelict, sponging off society without contributing. They are valid criticisms: This is a guy, after all, who has gotten a citation for train hopping (what would Jesus say about that?). And he's not opposed to house sitting in winter--not exactly living off the land.

And besides: How is he actually helping others by going without? It's not like he's solving world hunger, or curing cancer.

Sundeen disputes these arguments. "He doesn't accept any government programs—welfare, food stamps, Medicare," he said. "The only ways in which he actually uses taxpayer funded derivatives is walking on roads and using the public library. So in that regard he's a mooch--he's using the roads and not paying taxes. But if you try to quantify the amount of money he's taking from the system—it's a couple of dollars a year, less than anyone's ever used."

Instead, he is actively promoting "his idea that money is an illusion," Sundeen said. "The Fed just prints it up, it doesn't mean anything and it's going to lead us down the road to serfdom." Suelo simply doesn't want to contribute to that, and so he lives life on his own terms.

That said, Sundeen wouldn't live the way Suelo does. "The appeal to me is the living outdoors part, but I feel like I got my feel of that working as an Outward Bound guide," he said. "At this point I have other priorities."

Suelo, for his part, has no plans to bring money back into his life. "I know it's possible to live without money," he said. "Abundantly."

http://gma.yahoo.com/going-without-...ans-quest-211049892--abc-news-topstories.html
 
I'd buy that for a dollar.

I guess by doing something different than the norm this guy is newsworthy, but I like the comfort my fake money provides. Plus, the outdoors sucks.
 

Joates

Banned
"The Fed just prints it up, it doesn't mean anything and it's going to lead us down the road to serfdom."

Haha, ok. Im actually more curious as to where he thinks the road he is on leads the rest of us, if we were to choose to follow...

And money doesnt mean anything, just like the hours everyone puts in to make that money doesnt mean anything either.
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
Instead, he is actively promoting "his idea that money is an illusion," Sundeen said. "The Fed just prints it up, it doesn't mean anything and it's going to lead us down the road to serfdom."

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aidan

Hugo Award Winning Author and Editor
Millions of people around the globe live every day without money. Yet some hipster from Utah gets an article written about him?
 

marrec

Banned
Millions of people around the globe live every day without money. Yet some hipster from Utah gets an article written about him?

:lol Such a catch all word at this point. It has no more meaning anymore.

Also, we've all had that epiphany about money dude, but you don't see us living in caves.
 
:lol Such a catch all word at this point. It has no more meaning anymore.

Also, we've all had that epiphany about money dude, but you don't see us living in caves.

Exactly. Being in debt sucks, having to rely on money sucks, but I'm not gonna give it all up.
 

Casp0r

Banned
I live my life with money.

I have security, entertainment, home, friends, belly full of good food and a shit ton more.


... what is this article about again?
 

ezrarh

Member
Let's see how well he survives when we put a 100 more of guys like him in his area all competing for the same roadkill.
 

Tacitus_

Member
I like how they drove the point of him forgoing money through by specifically mentioning Apple products after food and clothes.
 

kaizoku

I'm not as deluded as I make myself out to be
Nice idea but terrible implementation. If it wasn't for the crazy idea of money none of us would be able to read write etc, the guy has the system to thank for his education.

And he's been fine for 11 years but lets see what he does when he gets ill and can't afford healthcare? What's he gonna do when he's old? Can't get a wife or kids and if he does are they just gonna enter the loop of scrounging for survival? Or start supporting him?

He'll probably get rich and famous off the back of this supposed lifestyle he's led for 11 years and go back to a regular lifestyle.
 

Oppo

Member
Interested GAFfers should read Walden.

Really, really intresting perspective. I'm sure this guy did.

The big hole in "Suelo's" method of course is medical attention. He's just been mostly lucky in that regard. But a toothache can drive a man to suicide. There's no spiritual/hippie answer for problems like that, as far as I'm aware.
 

shaowebb

Member
Sounds like a less qualified version of a local in West Virginia known as "Catfish: Man of the Woods"

That guy was one of those dudes who knew everything about plants, and tracking though. The dude often had folks want to barter things to him in exchange for herbal remedies because the old dude was healthy as could be and all he used were these things he learned to mix up himself out of stuff in the forest. I think it was stuff like fish hooks, knives and fishing line that he usually traded for but it was rare. Theres supposed to be some kind of book being done on the guy soon.

Guy is kind of a fascinating character around here to hear about. I think he lived somewhere in the hills in Lincoln county.
 
somehow i just knew gaf would shit on this guy.
i was right, why is it so wrong to have done what he's done?

I'm not saying it's wrong, but he kind of made it a point to shit on our entire society. Kind of a slap in the face to people who work and earn money.

"A true test of faith would be to return to one of the most materialistic, money-worshipping nations on earth, to return to the authenticity profound principles of spirituality hidden beneath our own religion of hypocrisy, and be a Sadhu there,"

So I'm materialistic and money-worshipping because I work hard and earn money to feed myself. That's bullshit.
 
I could never live like that, but I'm glad he's happy.

Same here.

Whats with the bullshit of him leeching of society. Everyone is leeching of society and definitely more than him. Working and paying taxes is mandatory so I don't see us as saints just because we live by our societies rules. I find it fascinating that he managed to do this and survive. It actually requires more effort to survive on your own without using money in a society we live in as it can easily go bad without the social security and lack of money.
 
Millions of people around the globe live every day without money. Yet some hipster from Utah gets an article written about him?

He's not even living without money. He maintains his blog from a public library maintained through tax dollars from a system he doesn't even pay into. He obtains things via charity that were originally obtained via money - things that could only be obtained through money and a society that promotes currency as a method of exchange.

I know GAF is all about ripping on idealists, but this guy's not really being honest with himself. I've always wanted to live in a cave, though.

storafötter;37559834 said:
Same here.

Whats with the bullshit of him leeching of society. Everyone is leeching of society and definitely more than him. Working and paying taxes is mandatory so I don't see us as saints just because we live by our societies rules. I find it fascinating that he managed to do this and survive.

The difference is we're honest about it.
 

marrec

Banned
storafötter;37559834 said:
Same here.

Whats with the bullshit of him leeching of society. Everyone is leeching of society and definitely more than him. Working and paying taxes is mandatory so I don't see us as saints just because we live by our societies rules. I find it fascinating that he managed to do this and survive. it actually requires more effort to survive on your own as it can easily go bad without the social security and lack of money.

Ya, and it's going to go shitty for him as soon as he has any kind of medical problem. I'm very glad he's happy, but there is nothing inherently wrong with a materialistic society.
 
it sounds like he's having a great time and will continue to do so until he gets sick and needs to go to the hospital.

Edit: beaten by seconds.
 
I think the most important thing to note about this article is that a guy with a really fucked up name, Shellabarger, decided to change it for the better.
 

Oppo

Member
He's not even living without money. He maintains his blog from a public library maintained through tax dollars from a system he doesn't even pay into. He obtains things via charity that were originally obtained via money - things that could only be obtained through money and a society that promotes currency as a method of exchange.

I know GAF is all about ripping on idealists, but this guy's not really being honest with himself.

Actually he is.

If you read the OP, you'll see that his "ethos" revolves around whatever comes naturally. Basically what people are willing to do or share in the natural course of their activites. I'm sure he sees the usage of the library as being on-par with sharing the warmth of a campfire that someone has invited him to sit near. I'm not saying I agree, but I do think he is being internally consistent, from what I can tell. Except for...

FrontalMonk said:
it sounds like he's having a great time and will continue to do so until he gets sick and needs to go to the hospital.
Thing is, he could get away with this easier in Canada, due to the health care, which I would not agree with. That's the part where he would truly be taking from what he didn't earn or deserve, to claim free advanced health care, and yes I do think this is the giant truck-sized hole in his "philosophy".
 
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