Man loses hands AND feet to a pack of pit bulls

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Booshka

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Wafflecakes said:
.... domestication is not all its cracked up to be.

See: The shittastic job we did with pitbulls.
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Well they were bred to fight and be loyal even if they were treated like shit. So ya, they were given a raw deal for sure, but only at the fault of Humans. Shitty owners and complete jackasses keep what is actually a great breed in the dumps with the general public.
 
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Booshka said:
Well they were bred to fight and be loyal even if they were treated like shit. So ya, they were given a raw deal for sure, but only at the fault of Humans. Shitty owners and complete jackasses keep what is actually a great breed in the dumps with the general public.
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So? What does that change?

There is nothing that a pitbull can do that another breed with less violent tendencies can't.


There is no upside for society to have them around. You can blame society all you want, but the fact is stupid people exist, and always will exist. Therefor the breed will always be a problem.
 
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Moral Panic said:
I love watching micheal jamison vids on youtube especially https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTwca8DTCQM&list=UU3SIm-UNl4Ou381-PYKzU8w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz7i5jqR46c&list=UU3SIm-UNl4Ou381-PYKzU8w

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnvDKfCQnZY
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Glad that some dude gets to have a Tiger as a pet instead of it being in the Wild and contributing to the dwindling population. Humans and our egos, never ceases to amaze me.
 
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Booshka said:
Well they were bred to fight and be loyal even if they were treated like shit. So ya, they were given a raw deal for sure, but only at the fault of Humans. Shitty owners and complete jackasses keep what is actually a great breed in the dumps with the general public.
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Sounds like humans and pit bulls are a bad mix.
 
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I don't own pitbulls (I like little dogs like Shih-Tzus and Chihuahuas) but I worked at a doggie daycare for around 3 yrs and took care of a lot of them. Here's what I learned:

*Any breed of dog can attack you. I got bit in the face by Labrador (not too hard, luckily), one of my co-workers had to get stiches when she tried to pull a Weimaraner off another dog and we once had to quarantine a little Husky for attacking people.

*Pit bulls are STRONG. They don't have locking jaws, but they got muscle-ly little bodies and typical terrier tenacity.

Why would any sane person want them?

They're super lovable and sweet. One of my favorites was named Roxy and I went months without seeing her. The next time I was in the play room with her she didn't seem to recognize me. When I asked someone "Is that Roxy?" she spun around and jumped all over me as soon as she heard me say her name.

Any dog can be bad. Pitbulls CAN be more dangerous, but if you properly socialize them and train them they can be your best friend. There has been many pit bulls that work as rescue and therapy dogs and are stellar family members.
 
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highrider

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear-baiting

One thing that people forget is that dogs are tools. Every breed of dog has been created through selective breeding for one purpose or another. Clearly, little tiny pomeranians are not being created for anything other than affection, but on the flipside of this argument, you have bulldogs. Bulldogs have been created to be aggressive. This does not mean all bulldogs are aggressive, far from it. What it does mean though is that the aggression factor is encoded into their DNA, so inevitably, when they either go feral or are treated maliciously to the point that they "snap", their breed moreso than any other shows proclivities towards extreme violence.

It shouldn't come as a surprise when we learn in almost all of these cases that the owners of the bulldogs are complete dicks or completely irresponsible. The reason why they have those dogs in the first place is because they appreciate the inherent violence in the breed itself. This is a chicken and egg situation where historic mistreatment by owners is what created the breed itself and continued mistreatment ensures that the predominant behavioural traits of the breed survive. I fully support the complete elimination of the "pitbull" breed.
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Zombine said:
No not really. They can be super gorgeous.

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That is a beautiful animal.
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That is a disgusting and deformed beast.

Dogs breeds that are close to wolfs such as german shepards and huskies are good looking.
I don't understand how people abomination like pugs, Bulldogs, and Bull terriers.
 
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John Dunbar said:
much like with guns, when you can't get rid of bad owners it's that which is owned that has to be removed.
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My girlfriend and I were talking about this yesterday because I love dogs but admitted that I'm really glad Pitbulls are illegal in the UK (even though I'd like to have one myself).

Unfortunately Pitbulls are like guns and cars. In the right hands their fine but in the wrong hands they are lethal weapons.

Dogs like pitbulls should be licenced. Like owning a gun or a vehicle you should need to apply for a licence to own one and anyone that is caught owning one without a licence should be prosecuted in the same way that you get prosecuted for owning am illegal firearm or driving without a licence.

That way the dog isn't banned but it's a lot harder to own one and hopefully the dogs find themselves in the homes of more intelligent/worthy owners.
 
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NutJobJim said:
My girlfriend and I were talking about this yesterday because I love dogs but admitted that I'm really glad Pitbulls are illegal in the UK (even though I'd like to have one myself).

Unfortunately Pitbulls are like guns and cars. In the right hands their fine but in the wrong hands they are lethal weapons.

Dogs like pitbulls should be licenced. Like owning a gun or a vehicle you should need to apply for a licence to own one and anyone that is caught owning one without a licence should be prosecuted in the same way that you get prosecuted for owning am illegal firearm or driving without a licence.

That way the dog isn't banned but it's a lot harder to own one and hopefully the dogs find themselves in the homes of more intelligent/worthy owners.
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I'd be OK with some form of qualification for ownership. Then again I'm for qualifications for having kids, hehe.

Wanderer5 said:
13 Pitbulls? God that quite a amount and something I could see to be very hard to handle.
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If they were all from the same owner, that is too many dogs. Dogs are less independent then cats, and need more time.
 
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Winterfang

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Pit bulls are too strong for their own good, their jaws strength is insane. My sister always have Pit bulls and when I lived with her she brought a puppy, a gorgeous one with a fun personality. He would had not harm a fly, but he was just a massive beast full of muscle, I would not want to have that around children or loose on the neighborhood.
 
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Suikoguy

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Winterfang said:
Pit bulls are too strong for their own good, their jaws strength is insane. My sister always have Pit bulls and when I lived with her she brought a puppy, a gorgeous one with a fun personality. He would had not harm a fly, but he was just a massive beast full of muscle, I would not want to have that around children or loose on the neighborhood.
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That feature is not exclusive to pitbulls though.
 
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I feel so bad for this man. The dogs as well. Owners clearly are incompetent.

Oh great, the anti pit bull brigade has arrived. I can't stick around in these threads at all. Makes me sick how people can talk about a breed of dog with such hatred.
 
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Suikoguy said:
That feature is not exclusive to pitbulls though.
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Pit bulls are one of the strongest Dog breeds, you are going to receive more damage from it, compared to other races. It doesn't matter if all the other Dogs act the same as pit-bulls because few of them like pit-bull have the strength to kill a man.
 
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Winterfang said:
Pit bulls are too strong for their own good, their jaws strength is insane. My sister always have Pit bulls and when I lived with her she brought a puppy, a gorgeous one with a fun personality. He would had not harm a fly, but he was just a massive beast full of muscle, I would not want to have that around children or loose on the neighborhood.
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I mean, the kind of person just who leaves their dog on a chain in the backyard or some shit and doesn't keep track of it at all times so that it can get out and roam the neighborhood or whatever, is the exact type of shitty owner people are talking about that just shouldn't be allowed to own any dog at all

I really hate when people just feel comfortable assuming things about me based on how my dog looks without any consideration to her actual personality and temperament or how well trained she is or whether she's ever actually done anything aggressive in her life. This kind of thinking would allow people to come to my house and take my dog away to be locked up and executed for absolutely no reason other than her breed. It's just really sickening to read.
 
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blainethemono said:
I mean, the kind of person just who leaves their dog on a chain in the backyard or some shit and doesn't keep track of it at all times so that it can get out and roam the neighborhood or whatever, is the exact type of shitty owner people are talking about that just shouldn't be allowed to own any dog at all

I really hate when people just feel comfortable assuming things about me based on how my dog looks without any consideration to her actual personality and temperament or how well trained she is or whether she's ever actually done anything aggressive in her life. This kind of thinking would allow people to come to my house and take my dog away to be locked up and executed. It's just really sickening to read.
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You just assumed our pit-bull was locked away in a patio, when he was a home dog, who just lazy up on the Sofa and was so terrified of going down the stairs that I had to carry the 90 pounds beast on my arms. The Dog lived and died without doing anything but being a big sweetheart but that doesn't change my opinion that the breed is dangerous. They are not dangerous just because of bad owners, they are dangerous because they are Pit bulls.
 
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Winterfang said:
You just assumed our pit-bull was locked away in a patio, when he was a home dog, who just lazy up on the Sofa and was so terrified of going down the stairs that I had to carry the 90 pounds beast on my arms. The Dog lived and died without doing anything but being a big sweetheart but that doesn't change my opinion that the breed is dangerous. They are not dangerous just because of bad owners, they are dangerous because they are Pit bulls.
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not assuming anything about you, only referring to your comment about how those dogs shouldn't be roaming the neighborhood. Of course they shouldn't, no dog of any breed should.

I own an american bulldog. I never let her outside by herself off leash and I always know where she is, and not because I think she'd attack someone if she got out (she wouldn't) but because I'd be worried about her getting hit by a car or something. On top of that, because of how some people perceive bully breeds I constantly worry about some crazy asshole shooting my dog or something. If you're a good owner this shit should be common sense.
 
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ishibear said:
I feel so bad for this man. The dogs as well. Owners clearly are incompetent.

Oh great, the anti pit bull brigade has arrived. I can't stick around in these threads at all. Makes me sick how people can talk about a breed of dog with such hatred.
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Uh, perhaps because they maim and kill so many people?
 
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Winterfang

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The owner wasn't even around when the Dogs maimed the man. Of course Dog Culture will always side with the Dog, always thinking of their Dogs first instead of the safety of fellow human being.
 
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People who acknowledge their bad breeding but just say it's bad humans raising them that result in bad pets are ignoring the first part entirely. They were bred to fight from the beginning. While this does not mean that some of the crazier behavioral traits cannot be selectively bred out of them (or cross breeding some), chances are the dog is not going to have the best personality or be all that good of a pet even if it's raised in a loving home. Breeding out the traits through selection or cross breeding does take time, but pit bulls are salvageable. Shitty, irresponsible breeding can and has resulted in bad pets to a smaller degree in other breeds, too.
 
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R10Neymarfan said:
Some of these posts here are disgusting. Just replace pit bull with black people. That's the same stuff said back when we were a not so tolerant society. Why pick and choose these negative articles to scold the breed and spout your hatred.
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Every fucking time.
 
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ishibear said:
I feel so bad for this man. The dogs as well. Owners clearly are incompetent.

Oh great, the anti pit bull brigade has arrived. I can't stick around in these threads at all. Makes me sick how people can talk about a breed of dog with such hatred.
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And ignorance. It's frankly annoying to see the same people come into these threads making the same repudiated claims using the same unreliable sources, over and over again. But that's par for the course, I suppose.

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Stealing this quote from Jak140 from another topic:

Humane Society said:
“pit bull” is not a breed of dog at all, but rather a generic term typically used to group three breeds of dog and their mixes: the American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT), American Staffordshire Terrier (AST), and Staffordshire Terrier (ST). The ruling expressly excludes “cross-breds, pit bull mix, or cross- bred pit bull mix” dogs. Unfortunately, many people guess at whether a dog is a “pit bull” based on appearance, and they are wrong more often than not. According to a recent study by the Maddie’s Fund Shelter Medicine Program at the University of Florida, shelter staff identified 55 of 120 dogs as “pit bulls,” but only 25 were actually confirmed through DNA testing as having either APBT, AS, or ST heritage; the others just had an appearance that made staff mistakenly believe they did. The staff also misidentified 20 percent of the dogs as non-pit bull type dogs when they actually did have APBT, AS, or
ST blood. This study underscores how even experts can be misled by appearances. Imagine, then, the challenges this ruling poses for landlords, judges, and others who will be in the impossible position of trying to determine which dogs are “pit bulls.”
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Scientific evidence presented by nationally recognized sources (including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Veterinary Medical Association, and other independent entities) reliably demonstrates that dog breed is not a key predictive factor in dog bites. A dog’s propensity to bite is actually the product of numerous factors including early socialization, living conditions, and the owner’s choices (failure to have their dog neutered, for example, or chaining their dog outdoors). Moreover, there is no truth to the myth that certain types of dogs have locking jaws or other sinister traits. While all domesticated dogs have been selectively bred to enhance characteristics like hunting and herding ability, they share the same basic physical structure and communicate with the same signals and language. For these reasons, efforts aimed at increasing public safety by singling out one breed/type of dog have never been successful. Instead, efforts to protect the public from dog bites must be preventative and comprehensive in nature, and extended across the board to the owners of all dogs.
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At the very least, we should not immediately assume that it is an established fact that they were pit bulls, because no breed is more likely to be misidentified in a situation like this.
 
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Winterfang said:
The owner wasn't even around when the Dogs maimed the man. Of course Dog Culture will always side with the Dog, always thinking of their Dogs first instead of the safety of fellow human being.
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Let me get this straight. You're saying that because the owner wasn't around at the time, that somehow means he's not to blame for his dogs attacking a man in the street? Because that seems completely backwards to me.
 
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What I'm saying is that every time a Dog does something bad, the answer isn't always it's the owners fault. Dogs are not perfect beings or angels, they are animals. they can be unpredictable, even if they owner did nothing wrong. People are too quick into defending the Dogs and blaming everything but them for the things they do.
 
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Mumei

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Winterfang said:
What I'm saying is that every time a Dog does something bad, the answer isn't always it's the owners fault. Dogs are not perfect beings or angels, they are animals. they can be unpredictable, even if they owner did nothing wrong. People are too quick into defending the Dogs and blaming everything but them for the things they do.
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This is true, but it's still true that a dog's propensity to bite is, "actually the product of numerous factors including early socialization, living conditions, and the owner’s choices (failure to have their dog neutered, for example, or chaining their dog outdoors)". We can't not talk about the role the owner played in any dog attack; it's key. Male dogs make up 92 percent of fatal dog attacks, for instance, and 94 percent of those are intact. Un-neutered dogs are 2.6 times more likely to bite, and chained dogs are 2.8 times more likely to bite. So, these things do make a big difference.
 
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Pages and pages of anicdotal evidence and pictures of dogs.

How about stats of how many people have been killed by these dogs compared to others? How many children?

It looks terribly bad for the pro pit bull crowd when they can't just post up the numbers on how safe their favorite dogs are.
 
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gohepcat said:
Pages and pages of anicdotal evidence and pictures of dogs.

How about stats of how many people have been killed by these dogs compared to others? How many children?

It looks terribly bad for the pro pit bull crowd when they can't just post up the numbers on how safe their favorite dogs are.
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Because those numbers can be considered unreliable due to news articles being the source for most of them. There aren't usually DNA tests done before these reports, and dogs in these incidents can end up being misidentified as pitbull-type dogs. Those stories often have a further reach than stories involving other types of dogs. The issue gets even more confused when you consider that while "pitbull" is specifically supposed to refer to the APBT, it's also become an umbrella term for like a dozen different breeds.

This was from the ASPCA's site but the link was broken:

Animal control officers across the country have told the ASPCA that when they alert the media to a dog attack, news outlets respond that they have no interest in reporting on the incident unless it involved a pit bull. A quantitative study by the National Canine Research Council of dog-bite reportage in a four-day period proves that anti-pit bull bias in the media is more than just a theory—it’s a fact.

August 18, 2007—A Labrador mix attacked a 70-year-old man, sending him to the hospital in critical condition. Police officers arrived at the scene and the dog was shot after charging the officers.
This incident was reported in one article in the local paper.

August 19, 2007—A 16-month-old child received fatal head and neck injuries after being attacked by a mixed-breed dog.
This attack was reported on twice by the local paper.

August 20, 2007—A six-year-old boy was hospitalized after having his ear torn off and receiving a severe bite to the head by a medium-sized, mixed-breed dog.
This incident was reported in one article in the local paper.

August 21, 2007—A 59-year-old woman was attacked in her home by two pit bulls and was hospitalized with severe, but not fatal, injuries.
This attack was reported in over 230 articles in national and international newspapers, as well as major television news networks including CNN, MSNBC and FOX.

Along with over-reporting, false reporting is a major contributor to the public relations nightmare currently facing pit bulls. There is an emerging tendency for all short-haired, stocky dogs to be called pit bulls—and when a dangerous dog’s breed is unknown, the media is not above assuming that the dog involved must have been a pit bull. The National Canine Resource Council terms this phenomenon “Everything is a pit bull, whether it is or not.” In the rush to publish, the pit bull label is often inaccurately applied—and even if a correction is later made, the damage is done. Not all media bias is necessarily intentional, but it forms an impression on the public and on legislators nonetheless.
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http://www.salon.com/2013/02/05/in_defense_of_the_pitbull_partner/


According to the American Veterinary Medicine Association, “controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous.” The American Temperance Testing Society (ATTS) puts thousands of dogs – purebreds and spayed and neutered mixed-breeds – through their paces each year. The dogs are tested for skittishness, aggression and their ability to differentiate between threatening and non-threatening humans. Among all of the breeds ATTS tested – over 30,000 dogs through May 2011 — 83 percent passed the test. How did pit bulls do? They showed an above average temperament, with 86 percent making the grade. Pit bulls are the second most tolerant breed tested by ATTS, after only golden retreivers.

Pit bulls do not have special “locking jaws” – that’s pure mythology. They don’t demonstrate some sort of special shaking action when they bite – all dogs display similar biting behavior. Pit bulls do not exert an unusual amount of bite-force for their size. Multiple studies have found that bite force correlates to body-weight, and tests of three breeds conducted by National Geographic found that the American pit bull terrier exerted less bite-force than German shepherds or Rottweilers.
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Karen Delise, research director for the National Canine Research Council and author of “The Pitbull Placebo,” has investigated hundreds of serious dog bite incidents in depth. As she explains:

My study of dog bite-related fatalities occurring over the past five decades has identified the poor ownership/management practices involved in the overwhelming majority of these incidents: owners obtaining dogs, and maintaining them as resident dogs outside of regular, positive human interaction, often for negative functions (i.e. guarding/protection, fighting, intimidation/status); owners failing to humanely contain, control and maintain their dogs (chained dogs, loose roaming dogs, cases of abuse/neglect); owners failing to knowledgably supervise interaction between children and dogs; and owners failing to spay or neuter dogs not used for competition, show, or in a responsible breeding program.
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There are a tiny number of attacks that simply can’t be explained. Occasionally, a well-raised, beloved pet without a history of behavioral issues will hurt a human – dogs are animals, after all – but these incidents are incredibly rare.
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That problem is compounded by media sensationalism. Karen Delise studied every fatal dog bite reported in the years between 2002-2005, and found that “eleven dogs involved in fatal attacks with no Pitbull characteristics were counted as Pitbulls, while their ‘true’ breeds were not reported, and three dogs that were clearly not Rottweilers were identified as Rottweilers.” That was among a total of 47 fatal attacks (by all breeds) reported during that period.

This dog was involved in a fatal attack and the media called it a pit bull…

According to Delise, this dog was reported as a pit bull despite the fact that animal control officers told reporters that she was in fact a Labrador mix…

This kind of misidentification creates a feedback loop, as most studies of fatal attacks rely on media reports for breed identification.

The media’s role in amplifying the public’s fear of pit bull-type dogs was evident in a study conducted by the National Canine Research Council in 2008. When an Arizona woman was killed by one or more dogs identified as Labrador retrievers, one local newspaper reported the story. But that same year, when a California man was killed by one or more pit bulls, the incident was reported “by at least 285 media outlets, both nationally (in 47 U.S. states) and internationally (in eight other countries). MSNBC, Forbes, USA Today, Fox News, CBS News, and ABC News all picked up the story.”

And when an infant in New Jersey was reportedly killed by a Siberian husky, around a dozen local news outlets reported the tragic incident, according to the study. But when another infant was killed by what authorities described as a pit bull in Nevada the same month, it was reported by over 200 media outlets around the world, often with the word “pit bull” in the headlines. Like shark attacks, our perception of the risk associated with these dogs has a lot to do with this kind of sensationalism.
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From the often cited CDC report:


Conclusions—Although fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and, therefore, should not be the primary factor driving public policy concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical alternatives to breed-specific ordinances exist andhold promise for prevention of dog bites. (J Am Vet Med Assoc2000;217:836–840)
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We collected data from The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and media accounts related to dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from previous studies. 1-3 The HSUS maintains a registry of human DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent, city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database 6 was searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in 1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF followed by a review of articles containing those terms. Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from 1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and was added to the existing data for 1996
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Although the fatality data are concerning, one must broaden the context to consider both fatal and nonfatal bites when deciding on a course of action. Nonfatal dog bites continue to be a public health problem in the United States. Although this and prior reports 1-3 document more than 330 DBRF during a 20-year period, these tragedies represent only the most severe manifestation of the problem. In 1986, nonfatal dog bites resulted in an estimated 585,000 injuries that required medical attention or restricted activity. 8 By 1994, an estimated 4.7 million people (1.8% of the US population) sustained a dog bite; of these, approximately 800,000 (0.3% of the US population) sought medical care for the bite (332,000 in emergency departments), and 6,000 were hospitalized. 9-11 This 36% increase in medically attended bites from 1986 to 1994 draws attention to the need for an effective response, including dog bite prevention programs. Because (1) fatal bites constitute less than 0.00001% of all dog bites annually, (2) fatal bites have remained relatively constant over time, whereas nonfatal bites have been increasing, and (3) fatal bites are rare at the usual political level where bite regulations are promulgated and enforced, we believe that fatal bites should not be the primary factor driving public policy regarding dog bite prevention.

Several interacting factors affect a dog’s propensity to bite, including heredity, sex, early experience, socialization and training, health (medical and behavioral), reproductive status, quality of ownership and supervision, and victim behavior. For example, a study in Denver of medically-attended dog bites in 1991 suggested that male dogs are 6.2 times more likely to bite than female dogs, sexually intact dogs are 2.6 times more likely to bite than neutered dogs, and chained dogs are 2.8 times more likely to bite than unchained dogs. 12 Communities have tried to address the dog bite problem by focusing on different factors related to biting behavior.

To decrease the risk of dog bites, several communities have enacted breed-specific restrictions or bans. In general, these have focused on pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers. However, breeds responsible for human DBRF have varied over time. Pinckney and Kennedy 13 studied human DBRF from May 1975 through April 1980 and listed the following breeds as responsible for the indicated number of deaths: German Shepherd Dog (n= 16); Husky-type dog (9); Saint Bernard (8); Bull Terrier (6); Great Dane (6); Malamute (5); Golden Retriever (3); Boxer (2); Dachshund (2); Doberman Pinscher (2); Collie (2); Rottweiler (1); Basenji (1); Chow Chow (1); Labrador Retriever (1); Yorkshire Terrier (1); and mixed and unknown breed (15). As ascertained from our data, between 1979 and 1980, Great Danes caused the most reported human DBRF; between 1997 and 1998, Rottweilers and pit bull type dogs were responsible for about 60% of human DBRF. Indeed, since 1975, dogs belonging to more than 30 breeds have been responsible for fatal attacks on people, including Dachshunds, a Yorkshire Terrier, and a Labrador Retriever.

In addition to issues surrounding which breeds to regulate, breed specific ordinances raise several practical issues. For optimal enforcement, there would need to be an objective method of determining the breed of a particular dog. Pedigree analysis (a potentially timeconsuming and complicated effort) combined with DNA testing (also time-consuming and expensive) is the closest to an objective standard for conclusively identifying a dog’s breed. Owners of mixed-breed or unregistered (ie, by a kennel club) dogs have no way of knowing whether their dog is one of the types identified and whether they are required to comply with breed-specific ordinances. Thus, law enforcement personnel have few means for positively determining a dog’s breed and deciding whether owners are in compliance or violation of laws.
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Also you only ever see a thread like this on gaf when it's reportedly a pitbull that attacks somebody. When a golden retriever tears a baby in half? No thread.

Or what about positive news stories about pitbulls?


Elle The Pit Bull Named 2013 Hero Dog By American Humane Association


Pit Bull Saves Long Island Woman from Fire


Dog comforts other sick canines at vet clinic


Hero Pit Bull Helps Find Elderly N.J. Woman Lost In The Woods


Local therapy dog helps grieving city of Boston


Rescued Pit Bull Saves 4-Year-Old Minnesota Boy


Rescue dog Stitch gives local family strength


Dogs guard girl when fox attacks


Hero pit bull pulls owner from train tracks in life-saving rescue


Family: Pit bull saved boy, 9, from abduction


Pit bull hailed as hero after protecting owner from home invasion


Hero Dog Shows Up Lassie, Uses iPhone To Call 911 And Save Owner's Life


Dog helps save 4 children from fire


That last one is especially good because they don't even mention the dog's breed there.

Never any threads about that kind of stuff.
 
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Winterfang said:
What I'm saying is that every time a Dog does something bad, the answer isn't always it's the owners fault. Dogs are not perfect beings or angels, they are animals. they can be unpredictable, even if they owner did nothing wrong. People are too quick into defending the Dogs and blaming everything but them for the things they do.
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Yes I do agree that they can be unpredictable. I own two pitbulls, yet they have not done anything that would constitute as unpredictable behavior. They do not attack my cats either. I will always keep them chained up if I'm not watching them though since I'm not going to take the risk of them suddenly deciding to run off, and go attack someone. Which is highly unlikely to happen because they would have to travel a long way into the town. I live in the country quite a ways from town. Yes they could make it that far, but I do like to believe that they wouldn't do anything to someone since all the strangers that have approached them they welcomed with licks.The jump to blaming owners does happen to quick because you never know when a dog will decided to attack someone no matter how gentle it's normal behavior may be. Although the main reason I've personally seen why pit-bulls have been so violent is because of the owners though.
 
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Vagabundo

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I'd be happy to see pitbulls - the the breeds of them - dissapear from ownership.

We don't need 100 flavours of dogs. There are a couple of breeds that work very well in certain fields, we should keep them, the rest can mongrelise. But pitbulls can go to hell. Far too dangerous to have without a special licence.
 
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Lazyslob

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this is a breed made for fighting. i dont know how people can defend that. sure there are people that can master these animals(there are also that guy who swims with his crocodile and people who hangout with their lions and hyenas) but most people can't and a lot of people will buy them because of their reputation of being tough fucking animals. if a 50 pound dog can take down a 100+ human being we got a problem.
 
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