Man loses hands AND feet to a pack of pit bulls

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My ex-girlfriend's pit used to scare the fuck out of me. He looked like he'd bite someone's head off. He loved to kiss me in the face, but I would get nervous every time he got that close to my face. He was a sweet dog 80% of the time even though he was fucking huge.

Such a sad story. Are Pitbulls that hard to train?
 

Lemaitre

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You can own dogs, but just not pitbulls. Same way you can own cats, but not fucking panthers.

Where you not present for elementary school the day your classmates learned to form analogies? Even you should understand how illogical you're being with that comparison. Or anyone who reads your post for that matter.
 
Being selectively breed for specific usages in the past doesn't suggest an inherent nature but more a broad characteristic.

It means they're more prone to specific behaviour, as evidenced by numerous anecdotes of pit bulls attacking. As I mentioned above a dog of mine was attacked and bitten by a staffordshire bull terrier (originally bred to bait bulls) for absolutely no reason at all. Could you imagine if it did that to a child?
 

Lemaitre

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My ex-girlfriend's pit used to scare the fuck out of me. He looked like he'd bite someone's head off. He loved to kiss me in the face, but I would get nervous every time he got that close to my face. He was a sweet dog 80% of the time even though he was fucking huge.

Such a sad story. Are Pitbulls that hard to train?

Equating a whole breed with one specific dog might be part of what you're missing in your post. :)
 
More responsibility and accountability needs to be put on the owner in both cases of ownership. It should take a lot of effort and training to own a reasonable gun (pistol, shotgun, single shot rifles). Same should go with large breed dogs that are strong and potentially dangerous, not just Pitbulls. At this point, all dogs and cats should be fixed, the population is out of control, and not being managed, irresponsible breeders are running amok as well. A neutered male dog is a lot less prone to violence and aggression as well, regardless of the breed.

Pitbulls are also extremely loyal to their owners, even through mistreatment and beatings, so if you are an awesome owner and your animal is fixed, they will be loving and compassionate. If you are a total dick, they will be aggressive and violent, yet still obedient toward you, because you feed them and "care" for them.

As for interactions with other animals and humans, all dogs should be on leash and controlled in any initial interaction with a new person/animal. You can't ever say that it's great with every dog or person, you have no idea, it's an animal, there may be some strange scent, body language, sound, or whatever that could freak the dog out and make it aggressive.

People are stupid in general, they don't respect a lot of extremely dangerous things in their life, be it an automobile, gun, dog, etc. We need to raise the level of responsibility, accountability and intelligence of owners in general.

Pretty much. Seems like most people don't seem to realize that there are much bigger factors involved here that have a bigger affect than just the dog's breed.

An estimated 4.7 million dog bites occur in the U.S. each year
Nearly 800,000 dog bites require medical care
Approximately 92% of fatal dog attacks involved male dogs, 94% of which were not neutered
Approximately 25% of fatal dog attacks involved chained dogs
Approximately 71% of bites occur to the extremities (arms, legs, hands, feet)
Approximately two-thirds of bites occurred on or near the victim’s property, and most victims knew the dog
The insurance industry pays more than $1 billion in dog-bite claims each year
At least 25 different breeds of dogs have been involved in the 238 dog-bite-related fatalities in the U.S.
Approximately 24% of human deaths involved unrestrained dogs off of their owners’ property
Approximately 58% of human deaths involved unrestrained dogs on their owners’ property
 

Booshka

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These creatures have the capacity to do great damage and should not be kept as pets. It's interesting that people will advocate for Pitbulls as friends to humans, but oddly don't want to see them free. 👀

Wolves should be free, in the wilderness, not dogs that have been selectively bred solely for human companionship and functions. Domestic dogs that are free are just roaming cities and trying to survive via their innate Wolf instincts in an environment not suitable for it.
 

Shepard

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You must think Rottweilers' are dangerous as well. Please. It's not the dog, it's the breeder.

Actually, I do. And I partially agree with you, that's why I think you should be a 'certified breeder', or something like that, to own these type of dogs.
 

Lemaitre

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Ok, so let's just hope that everyone who adopts a pitbull is a decent human being and good dog owner, because we already know what happens when they arent, right?
And sorry, I'll find more mature ways to say that I find this particular dog breed ugly in the future.

Unfortunately, that's the way it works for all breeds of dog, not just Pitbulls. And there are many types of other breeds that bite, maim, or kill people in the U.S. But that might put a hamper on your personal attacks of your specifically hated breed.
 

Lemaitre

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Actually, I do. And I partially agree with you, that's why I think you should be a 'certified breeder', or something like that, to own these type of dogs.

Again, it's a good thing that random folks on the interwebz aren't responsible for coming up with such rules. It demonstrates the complete lack of knowledge you have on the subject of raising dogs, pets, and especially Pitbulls.
 

Valnen

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Again, it's a good thing that random folks on the interwebz aren't responsible for coming up with such rules. It demonstrates the complete lack of knowledge you have on the subject of raising dogs, pets, and especially Pitbulls.

So you're completely okay with unproven people being able to buy animals that can easily rip people apart? Despite the fact that these attacks happen all the time because of bad owners?

Sorry but something needs to be done to prevent this. Something needs to stop bad owners from owning in the first place.
 
No not really. They can be super gorgeous.

beautiful-pitbull.jpg


That is a beautiful animal.

Nope. Really ugly.
 

Fritz

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If it is so that a pit causes more damage than other breeds that would be enough reason for me to ban breeding. Obviously not put every individual creature down but register them and stop breeding.
 
I've had several pittbulls growing up, and just like guns it comes down to the owner. Personal responsibility seems to be in short order these days.
 
Where you not present for elementary school the day your classmates learned to form analogies? Even you should understand how illogical you're being with that comparison. Or anyone who reads your post for that matter.
Sorry dude, but Pitbulls are wild animals. You can train them to a certain extent, just like a wild cat, but you cant expect them to be a nice doggy and play fetch.
 

East Lake

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Again, it's a good thing that random folks on the interwebz aren't responsible for coming up with such rules. It demonstrates the complete lack of knowledge you have on the subject of raising dogs, pets, and especially Pitbulls.
Dealing with aggression is often something a layman is unable to deal with. I wouldn't expect most owners to be able to properly handle it.
 

Real Hero

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Again, it's a good thing that random folks on the interwebz aren't responsible for coming up with such rules. It demonstrates the complete lack of knowledge you have on the subject of raising dogs, pets, and especially Pitbulls.
So surely having such a lack of knowledge should prevent him being allowed to have one
 

studyguy

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Such a sad story. Are Pitbulls that hard to train?

I was particularly strict with mine. It used to nip as a puppy, you have to cut that shit out ASAP. You can't let it continue thinking it's okay to bite at things as it grows even if you think it's cute or it'll only get worse. I never really muzzled mine but I owned a muzzle just in case, but then again I also never let it out off a leash our out of the house without me by its side. Socializing is pretty damn important too, at least getting it used to other dogs at a young age. The dog park next to me had a group of pit owners who tended to keep to themselves and treated their dogs similarly.

Now she lives on a ranch out in Northern California barking at chickens and shit. I couldn't keep her when moving to LA and she apparently has been a great dog out there. It's all in the training, but it takes a lot of dedication. Dogs are animals, part of the family, sure but animals all the same that need to be treated as such when the time comes for their own sake and everyone else's. I love that dog, but I'm of the opinion that people get too wound up in sentimental issues over simply recognizing the danger of handling larger breeds that require more attention.
 
Essentially the arguments really boil down to "I have positive encounters with pit bulls" vs "I have negative encounters with pitbulls". It adds nothing.

Feel free to attach a statistical model on tge dangers of pitbulls and the need to eliminate them. Cite as many sources as you need.

Go nuts
http://www.dogsbite.org/dogsbite-recent-dog-bite-statistics.php

Your falicious argument that the argument boils down to personal anecdotes completely ignores the fact that pitbulls are disproportionally the cause of more dog attacks. I have never been bitten by any dog, but I know that I would not have the same consternation about letting a golden retriever near by child (a dog bred for its loyalty and friendliness) versus a pitbull (a dog bred to specifically have physiological characteristics that make it better at biting and holding onto animals).

If you really wanted to be more compelling, you could point out that were pitbulls eliminated, another dog would no doubt take its place when it comes to douchebags wanting to protect their stuff or act tough. Doberman Pinchers are another breed of dog renowned for its aggressive temperment and were the breed banned, you would no doubt see a rise in these dogs biting people, once again as a result of poor treatment and bad ownership. Nurture plays a huge role, and I would argue, constitutes the vast majority of the importance when it comes to establishing a dogs temperment and behaviour. But if you took everything and put it into a vacuum and no socialisation or training was involved, it would be impossible to argue that pitbulls are not more aggressive, more physically dangerous and more prone to "snap" than dogs with far more lackadaisical behaviour patterns. Once again, it doesn't mean that all pitbulls are aggressive or that all pitbulls will snap. It just means that when they do, shit tends to turn out pretty bad for whoever is on the receiving end.
 

Shinypogs

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Awful.

We need a license for dogs I am afraid. It's not the dogs fault but man some breeds attract the worst scum of "dog lovers".

A lot of breeds don't belong in the hands of the people they end up in. Bully breeds, most spitz breeds, hunting dogs, livestock guardian breeds especially all require knowledgeable owners who also have the time and money to give the dogs what they need.

That said I feel it's very much a combo of shitty owners and the breed traits that lead to stuff like this.

I've known more people bitten by chihuahuas then any of the so called dangerous breeds ( bullies, dobermans, rotties etc). Now these are certainly small bites but they do draw blood and occasionally need stitches to the face and fingers. If these dogs were bigger and stronger they'd do serious damage. The issue with them is that people tend to spoil and smother small dogs as well as do a poor job of training and socializing them so they end up as little terrors. Anytime they snap at you you hear the excuse "or he/she only nibbles." Excuse me but no that was a bite and it still bleeds and hurts, just because it didn't do crippling or long lasting damage doesn't make it anymore okay that your dog is ill behaved and potentially dangerous.

I myself was bitten by a golden retriever as a small child because I was left alone with it at an in home daycare and at some point did something to upset the dog ( too young to remember.) It took a chunk out of my cheek and I still have a small pockmark on that site today. Turns out I was the third or fourth child this dog had bitten and it had to be put down. This was not the dog's fault this was the fault of idiot owners who left an animal alone with children too young to understand when it was signaling for them to back off.

I don't hate goldens and I don't think they are bad dogs but I do think a lot of idiots get " family dogs" not realizing that all breeds and individual dogs have a bite threshold and each dog reaches it differently. All dogs need training and socialization for their health as well as ours and not enough owners put that time in. No dog should be left alone with a small child, half the cute child/dog videos you seen on youtube are full of dogs giving 'calming signals' showing they are distressed, those dogs simply have high bite thresholds.


However, pitts, staffies and everything else that gets lumped under bully breeds are not completely off the hook per say.

Retrievers fetch things and are known for stealing your stuff. Scent hounds are often horrible walkers because they tend to go slow and smell everything or catch a scent and pull with all their might. Sight hounds should never been off leash in an unenclosed area because even those with great recall can give in to the need to chase a fast moving object and will run off after cars, bikes, small animals etc. Herding breeds will herd children, cats, ducks etc and while some will do it with only stares and barks other can get a little nippy when excited.

People tend to recognize and accept that most breeds have certain instinctual traits we've bred into them. These traits can be good, bad or a mixture of both but they require special responses in each case for the good of the owner, the public and most importantly the dog.

There is a certain amount of dog aggression that's been long bred into some breeds and that can be recognized without it being a call for the whole lot to be killed. It means that when you purchase or adopt certain breeds you need to understand that they may need more training, special desensitization training and extra socialization classes before they are as safe in public as some other breeds. You do your animal companion a disservice if you don't do these things and then try to blindly defend them if they do end up in a fight or biting incident.

I don't believe in BSL but I do think people who own certain breeds really do need to understand the full extent of power their dog will have and how much work really goes into making sure their dog's specific needs are met so that accidents are less likely.

I wish this article gave more details about the victim and what he was doing wandering around naked before he was attacked. I worry he may have been mentally unstable and an incident like this may only serve to make his life that much more terrifying nevermind the difficulties he will face due to his injuries.
 

Booshka

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Sorry dude, but Pitbulls are wild animals. You can train them to a certain extent, just like a wild cat, but you cant expect them to be a nice doggy and play fetch.

Pitbulls, or any domesticated and selectively bred dog are not wild animals. That is the antithesis of "Wild." They are animals, and we can't predict or understand every action or idea that comes into their head, but they aren't wild and they can be trained. I definitely expect my dogs to be nice and play, because I am a responsible pet owner and always respect the dog.
 
My aunt has a Pit Bull that is the most lovable dog I think I've ever seen. He tries to lick you to death. It sucks that Pit Bulls have been raised to be ferocious fighting dogs instead of dogs that you care about, as companions that they should be. They just have this stigma surrounding them now that they are meant for killing, but people absolutely love to get them and raise them that way. When did this even arise? Has it always been this way for Pit Bulls?
 

BossLackey

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Sorry, that's an ugly ass dog.
Also, they should restrict pitbull as pets to certified breeders or something like that. They are dangerous, unless you breed them well.

I don't agree or disagree. I'm pretty impartial on Pit Bulls. But people who argue about subjective things make me rage.
 
My aunt has a Pit Bull that is the most lovable dog I think I've ever seen. He tries to lick you to death. It sucks that Pit Bulls have been raised to be ferocious fighting dogs instead of dogs that you care about, as companions that they should be. They just have this stigma surrounding them now that they are meant for killing, but people absolutely love to get them and raise them that way. When did this even arise? Has it always been this way for Pit Bulls?

Nope Pit Bulls used to be the symbol of American dog way back when before labs were wet popular
 

studyguy

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Could an average human defend themselves against an attacking pit bull without a weapon?

My pitbull was a girl and she weighed almost 40lbs before I gave her to my cousin iirc. I don't know about you but 35-40lbs of teeth and muscle flying at you would probably fuck most people up. The males are substantially heavier iirc.
 

Derwind

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Great, you can cite a source. Now how do these numbers reflect on why pitbulls are inherently dangerous and not the product of any nurturing on the owners part?

Anything?

Your falicious argument that the argument boils down to personal anecdotes

Hows that a fallacy? Threads like these do boil down to anecdotes and personal opinions. Look at the countless remarks about the aesthetic appeal of the breed.

completely ignores the fact that pitbulls are disproportionally the cause of more dog attacks. I have never been bitten by any dog, but I know that I would not have the same consternation about letting a golden retriever near by child (a dog bred for its loyalty and friendliness) versus a pitbull (a dog bred to specifically have physiological characteristics that make it better at biting and holding onto animals).

And you conclude with a personal opinion of the breed.

Awesome.

Once again, it doesn't mean that all pitbulls are aggressive or that all pitbulls will snap. It just means that when they do, shit tends to turn out pretty bad for whoever is on the receiving end.

Agreed. Put a muzzle on it perhaps. /shrug
 
Some of these posts here are disgusting. Just replace pit bull with black people. That's the same stuff said back when we were a not so tolerant society. Why pick and choose these negative articles to scold the breed and spout your hatred.
 

Valnen

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Some of these posts here are disgusting. Just replace pit bull with black people. That's the same stuff said back when we were a not so tolerant society. Why pick and choose these negative articles to scold the breed and spout your hatred.

Dogs aren't people.
 

Watevaman

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Could an average human defend themselves against an attacking pit bull without a weapon?

It's possible (probably more so for an average male), especially if it's only a single pitbull. However, when playing with my dog (half pit), she's run into my legs at full speed and will lay my ass on the ground if she wants to. It's also a human instinct to throw our arms up to defend, and a dog (really any dog with a big enough jaw) will lock onto those and just thrash.

It'd be best to have a break stick.
 
Dogs aren't people.

You're right but we still love and care for them like people. I am fond of this type of particular breed, but am disheartened that some of you agree to mass breed genocide to extinction or claim it's an ugly and agressive breed. It's just ignorant. You can't claim this stuff without working with many different types of this breed.

You give them love and proper management they will be upstanding dogs. They have their quirks but responsible owners will take that into account
 

RM8

Member
I admit I fear pitbulls and I go out of my way to avoid them :( it's irrelevant if the owners are the real issue, the reality is plenty of pitbulls are very dangerous.
 

Fusebox

Banned
I've had more incidents with small vicious dogs than large dog breeds. Seriously EVERY Chihuahua and Dachshund and I've ever met wants to bite at my heels when I walk away for no reason whatsoever.

And yet your feet are still firmly attached to your legs.
 

Valnen

Member
You give them love and proper management they will be upstanding dogs. They have their quirks but responsible owners will take that into account

I'm not going to say that's not true, but at the same time with the damage they can do people should need to prove they're going to do that before buying one. Otherwise it just ends in tragedy, as we see all the time.
 

malyce

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These creatures have the capacity to do great damage and should not be kept as pets. It's interesting that people will advocate for Pitbulls as friends to humans, but oddly don't want to see them free. ��

By this logic, all working dogs that are 40+ pounds should be banned no?
 

Volimar

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My little sister had pits. They were fiercely loyal dogs, and big babies. One of them named ice would whine whenever someone hid one of his toys. The other, Jade, would try to sit on my lap when I visited.

In addition, the words "Dachshund" and "carnage" are not generally used together in sentences that aren't this one.

Fuck that. Weiner dogs are vicious little shits.
 
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