Feels bad knowing that Spacey was wasted.
Man of Steel - Official Trailer #2
- Thread starter duckroll
- Start date
- Status
Feels bad knowing that Spacey was wasted.
Yeah, I like Returns a great deal but Harris & Dougherty really didn't do the character justice. Spacey was good enough to make some scenes work, but in 2006 Luthor could've been so much more in that script.
Darkseid should be saved for the Justice League movie (whenever that happens). Dude is evil incarnate and he and Apokalips should be too big a threat for even Superman to handle alone.
As for Lex, I say it's high time his battle armor made its debut. I'm tired of Kryptonite too, but damn it. It's Lex Luthor. A Superman trilogy without him as primary foe at least once wouldn't feel right.
I'd love to see a take on Mongul. Or even Mxy. Fuck Doomsday though. Fuck his entire existence.
As for Lex, I say it's high time his battle armor made its debut. I'm tired of Kryptonite too, but damn it. It's Lex Luthor. A Superman trilogy without him as primary foe at least once wouldn't feel right.
I'd love to see a take on Mongul. Or even Mxy. Fuck Doomsday though. Fuck his entire existence.
Ever watch TAS all the way through? Probably the best Luthor ever consistently written (outside of individual comics & a few episodes of Smallville).
No robo-suit.
I have. More than once actually, and the animated stuff is the reason Lex is my favorite villian.
Doesn't invalidate the idea of Lex using a suit to protect himself or fight Superman head on when all his other schemes fail.
More specific information from the EW article regarding Superman's origins in Man of Steel, via /Film:
That sounds really interesting to me. I have no doubt that will come into play during
Also, WB president Jeff Robinov pretty much confirms what we've sort of been assuming for a while now; that Man of Steel opens the door for a Justice League movie down the line. However, he didn't confirm or deny if that meant anything related to cameos by other DCU characters in the film.
Man, I miss Ed McGuinness' Superman
That sounds really interesting to me. I have no doubt that will come into play during
Superman's inevitable tustle with Zod and Faora, in a Zod taunting Supes "Even your own kind didn't want you and was ashamed of you" sort of way.
Also, WB president Jeff Robinov pretty much confirms what we've sort of been assuming for a while now; that Man of Steel opens the door for a Justice League movie down the line. However, he didn't confirm or deny if that meant anything related to cameos by other DCU characters in the film.
However... This picture is badass...
Man, I miss Ed McGuinness' Superman
MisterHero
Super Member
^^ That's pretty much the
That's a mildly interesting take on the story.
Green Lantern-style
complete opposite of the birthing matrix.
Dunno if this was answered but the Kryptonian armors are CG in some scenes
Green Lantern-style
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Fuck yeah. Just saw this on IGN. I've been telling my brother I wanted this exact thing since this movie got announced. I'm so ready for this movie.
Joel Was Right
Member
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, people shouldn't be asking "Is his head photoshopped on?" But "why didn't they render the suit right?"
Most of the time Shannon wasn't actually wearing anything but a black bodysuit, right? The actual armor he's wearing is mostly done in CG, like Superman's cape. At least that's what I thought the m.o. was for this movie.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
That's correct.
MisterHero
Super Member
Simo
Member
Both actually. Most of the time of he was wearing a motion capture suit for when he's wearing the armor and for scenes without it he was in the black suit:
Also coming home and seeing these new images and details...fucking glorious! New avatar get!
KingofGourds
Member
In the sequel I want Superman fighting something the size of Godzilla, even if it's just a James Bond-style opening action sequence.
Someone call Guillermo Del Toro and organise a Pacific Rim-Superman crossover.
Someone call Guillermo Del Toro and organise a Pacific Rim-Superman crossover.
Thank you very much. I'll try to find it and also read the comic.
Joel Was Right
Member
Superman set out to introduce these themes to the masses by gliding majestically through the air, but no longer is that enough to garner attention -- audiences have seen that plenty of times, and Singer/Synder/Nolan realised this. It’s no coincidence therefore that the greater emphasis in Superman films will be of to pull the strings of the heart rather than beat its drums. “No more sob stories”, some decried. But how else to make the character "relevant" as Nolan recently described? How else do you distinguish it from the myriad of demigods in the box office if not humanise them?
What has me excited about MoS is not the descriptions of the fight scenes, but rather the inner conflict Clark, and Kal-El, endure from childhood into their adult life; there is a story here. I just hope it's interesting enough to be held as the Story of Superman rather than the story of comic book hero #12.
What excites me is that they are owning his abilities and pitting him against equally powerful villains instead of kryptonite trickery.
Joel Was Right
Member
Each to their own. But already I, and I dare imagine you also, have a good idea of how that fight sequence will go; slow-mo punches, bodies flung through walls and cars; explosions; collisions. It's all cliche. I saw it last week, in fact, in Incredible Hulk.
Jason Bourne fighting a man with a rolled-up newspaper was more exciting and creative than any fight scene between super powered characters I've seen on the big screen.
MisterHero
Super Member
Is there really a need for
kryptonite if the Kryptonians have weapons made of krypton metals. Nevermind that if they have guns they probably use kryptonite-based energy like in World of New Krypton.
Last Son used kryptonite really well. Superman and Luthor teamed up to crush an army of Phantom Zone criminals. The part where some of them got turned into antmen before getting squashed was particularly grim.
Last Son used kryptonite really well. Superman and Luthor teamed up to crush an army of Phantom Zone criminals. The part where some of them got turned into antmen before getting squashed was particularly grim.
That's like saying you don't like gun fights because everybody holds the guns using their hands.
It's hard to convey the great strength and speed of super hero movies without also being too realistic (punches breaking through skulls, huge amounts of damage that kills civilians). You have to use tricks and camera angles to convey the power
I hope it's more inventive and visually arresting than that. Dredd showed you can make old dogs do beautiful new tricks.
Joel Was Right
Member
I don't like gun scenes between two people during a chase. Nothing happens during those scenes but glass being broken and people ducking. I do like gun scenes involving multiple people in a small area, however.
KingofGourds
Member
Well said.
I freely admit to being a greedy so-and-so who wants Superman throwing down with a kaiju at the same time he's making humanity better themselves.
MisterHero
Super Member
Faora's gonna use krypton martial arts so Superman's gonna have to learn how to fight. That's kinda new.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
So much of blockbuster filmmaking has essentially trained regular viewers to expect one or the other. Further, those same audiences have been essentially trained to prefer one to the other, or accuse the one of pretension if it even ATTEMPTS to incorporate elements of the other.
Either/Or is almost always the default. Never a blend of both.
We got some Clark/Supes conflict and no action in Returns and look how that turned out.
Is time for Superman to shine beating and punching and sending equally powered villians through buildings on a big scale.
I agree that is really interesting that they are humanizing him and keeping it sort of grounded but come on is time for Supes to have crazy action IMO.
He's going to call Wonder Woman and Batman up for some lessons.
Justice League movie confirmed.
Yeah that's probably it. I do hope Synder and co. never feel they have to take this either or approach, even if the audiences expect it.
Probably
He's a famous villain, but he's also pretty damn boring. Just a big dumb punching machine.
squidhands
Member
You're making an unfair comparison between an exceptional improvisational human fighter and a superpowered alien from another world who, due to said superpowers, doesn't need to do anything remotely like Bourne. It's perfectly okay for superheroes to act like superheroes if it's well done. The Incredible Hulk was NOT well done.
Now, if Kal were to act like he did in Action Comics 775, that would be supremely bad ass and worthy of high praise. I hold no expectations, but still hopeful.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
MisterHero
Super Member
They can skip Death of Superman and still use Doomsday if they make it about Brainiac trying to find a new body. Or kill Superman and Coast City in Justice League.
Justice League 2's main villain is crazy Hal Jordan. Ignoring Guy, John, and Kyle, we go straight to GL recruit Simon Baz who kills Hal.
Spectre Hal Jordan shows up at the climax of JL3 to drag Darkseid into Hell/cast him into the Source Wall or something.
DC movie-verse writes itself and yet they're so prone to mistakes.
Justice League 2's main villain is crazy Hal Jordan. Ignoring Guy, John, and Kyle, we go straight to GL recruit Simon Baz who kills Hal.
Spectre Hal Jordan shows up at the climax of JL3 to drag Darkseid into Hell/cast him into the Source Wall or something.
DC movie-verse writes itself and yet they're so prone to mistakes.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Doomsday would be a huge mistake, honestly.
He's a shit character, always has been. Fuck, use Mongul if you wanna use a giant alien bruiser. At least Mongul has a personality.
Death of Superman was a garbage story. I've never understood why DC/WB keeps trying to go back to that well. It's puddle-deep.
He's a shit character, always has been. Fuck, use Mongul if you wanna use a giant alien bruiser. At least Mongul has a personality.
Death of Superman was a garbage story. I've never understood why DC/WB keeps trying to go back to that well. It's puddle-deep.
Aren't most actors coming from Hollywood productions required to sign sequel/prequel deals nowadays? I remember reading or hearing about it a while back
Good to see DC go on record that this will be the start of something bigger
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/04/11/man-of-steel-dc-comics-superhero-movies/
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/04/11/man-of-steel-dc-comics-superhero-movies/
Is punching a prerequisite for an action scene for some people? That seems to be the operative word for a lot of people: "punch."
Superman Returns certainly had action scenes, just not a "real" fight scene.
Thats pretty much the very first question people ask in interviews, yeah is very important.
MisterHero
Super Member
Because DoS was the non-BS origins of Steel and Connor Kent, and everytime they've retold the story/the characters they've gotten worse. It's also the basis for Blackest Night, which is never going away.
But yeah they can skip the Death part just to have a powerful character. There's Zod and his pals to make Superman feel mortal. My point was that Doomsday would be an interesting way to [re-]use Brainiac.
Specifically that Superman punches someone? I mean, yeah, a good throw down is fun and all, but it seems pretty low-brow and childish to demand someone punch someone else in order for a film to be exciting.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Well it could be Metallo, Bizarro, General Zod, Darkseid, Doomsday, etc,. Just a real good ol fight against a villian that can take a punch by Superman thats all we Superman fans ask, well that's what I ask as a Superman fan, sure other types of action is great too but we already had that other type in Returns, saving people from natural disasters or things like that gets boring after a while.
Doctor Decimate
Member
the alternative is usually Superman Lifts Heavy Object
- Status